Whoa: No more Bill?
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S Douglas wrote:
Sure whatever, not like I have any stock in the company but Ray Ozzie?
At least it's not Scoble... :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
At least it's not Scoble...
Yeah, he probably wouldn't do a very good job since he's not working there ;)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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From Microsoft's Presspass: Microsoft chairman Bill Gates transitioning out of company in 2008[^] Bill Gates will transition out of a day-to-day role in Microsoft effective July 2008 to spend more time on his global health and education work at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and will continue to serve as the company’s chairman and an advisor on key development projects. Ray Ozzie assumes the title of chief software architect and will begin working side by side with Gates on all technical architecture and product oversight responsibilities, while Craig Mundie takes the new title of chief research and strategy officer and will work closely with Gates to assume his responsibility for the company’s research and incubation efforts. -------------- TTFN - Kent
Kent Sharkey wrote:
to spend more time on his global health and education work at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation,
Well, i think we should be glad that he will be devoting more of this time in a better clause.
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From Microsoft's Presspass: Microsoft chairman Bill Gates transitioning out of company in 2008[^] Bill Gates will transition out of a day-to-day role in Microsoft effective July 2008 to spend more time on his global health and education work at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and will continue to serve as the company’s chairman and an advisor on key development projects. Ray Ozzie assumes the title of chief software architect and will begin working side by side with Gates on all technical architecture and product oversight responsibilities, while Craig Mundie takes the new title of chief research and strategy officer and will work closely with Gates to assume his responsibility for the company’s research and incubation efforts. -------------- TTFN - Kent
Kent Sharkey wrote:
Whoa: No more Bill?
For a moment i thought you were talking about Bill SerGio[^] :-D
**You know you're obsessed with computer graphics when you're outside and you look up at the trees and think, "Wow! That's spectacular resolution!"
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Well, with Microsoft's stock being lackluster for the last three years, something needs to change. It's probably a good idea actually, let newer/younger people start guiding the company with ideas. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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S Douglas wrote:
Sure whatever, not like I have any stock in the company but Ray Ozzie?
At least it's not Scoble... :rolleyes:
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S Douglas wrote:
I mean come on Ray Ozzie the Useless Notes guy. Might as well let Steve Jobs run the company...
Well, why not? I'd bet, that even I could bring something new to the company! Don't judge until (Until bla=True :laugh:) you have some arguments or prove. New thinking is the way to go! Programming is like Mathematics… you take ONE step at the time! ;-)
KiloDunse**DK** wrote:
Don't judge until you have some arguments or prove.
[sarcasm] Ah clearly you have never had to use bloated notes. :mad: [/sarcasm]
KiloDunse**DK** wrote:
New thinking is the way to go!
Indeed, new innovative thinking is a very good thing, and something that is needed at Microsoft. What would have been wrong with Anders Hejlsberg the Delphi / C# guy?
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
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Shog9 wrote:
At least it's not Scoble
I'm not familiar with Scoble, what’s his claim to shame? :~
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
Blogger, recently left MS. Famous for being famous, near as i can tell...
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Blogger, recently left MS. Famous for being famous, near as i can tell...
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Shog9 wrote:
Famous for being famous
Ah one of those people. Yea there are enough of them in the world already.
Shog9 wrote:
Blogger, recently left MS.
Now that you mention it, I seem to recall this being posted in the lounge a few days ago. Wasn’t anything notable about his presence at MS that added any thing to MS products so I had no reason to remember his name.
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
Whoa: No more Bill?
For a moment i thought you were talking about Bill SerGio[^] :-D
**You know you're obsessed with computer graphics when you're outside and you look up at the trees and think, "Wow! That's spectacular resolution!"
**Monty2 wrote:
For a moment i thought you were talking about Bill S
Actually initially so did I, but your not suppose to actually mention his name. For fear he will show up again, now if we can get his brother Osmosis Jones (Osmosian Order) to join him and rule their little worlds together.
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
I think his departure from MS will not have any immediate or short-term impact on how and what MD does.
You're right, those Marylanders pretty much sail their own boat. God bless 'em for it, too. Charlie if(!curlies){ return; }
:) Sorry for the little typo. It was meant to be M_S_ and not MD. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Are you being ironic or serious? I think he has done a great job. A man of visions who has done something about it. Too many people complain about Microsoft, and I can’t see why? If other companies produced products which is better then Microsoft’s then I would buy them. Until then, I’ll stick to Microsoft. Programming is like Mathematics… you take ONE step at the time! ;-)
I'd say there are other companies that produce better products than Microsoft. However, MS products integrate better with their own (i.e. Outlook, Exchange, and Active Directory) due to their monopolistic policy so our clients prefer the whole package as they're easier to implement. "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner" - Ross Edbert Sydney, Australia
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Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
Whoa: No more Bill?
For a moment i thought you were talking about Bill SerGio[^] :-D
**You know you're obsessed with computer graphics when you're outside and you look up at the trees and think, "Wow! That's spectacular resolution!"
**SSSSSSHHHH!!!! Don't say his name.
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
Whoa: No more Bill?
For a moment i thought you were talking about Bill SerGio[^] :-D
**You know you're obsessed with computer graphics when you're outside and you look up at the trees and think, "Wow! That's spectacular resolution!"
**Aaah yes, the man who's full of his own initials. I thought that's who he meant as well at first.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Aaah yes, the man who's full of his own initials. I thought that's who he meant as well at first.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Microsoft's stock has been declining for two years. Vista has gone way over schedule. The quality of Visual Studio 2006 is an embarassment. The company has a profound inability to come to grips with its legal problems, even if those legal problems are unfair in any way. The list goes on. Steve Balmer is the leader of this growing disaster. Blaming vice-presidents and shuffling around management is a poor attempt to divert attention from his failures as CEO. However effective he may be at making Microsoft employees feel about themselves, his first obligation is to the stockholders and customers of the company and in that he is becoming a failure. Worse, if Microsoft continues along its current course, it will start to lose those leaders who are genuinely talented and have a lot to offer--seriously, all other factors aside, who wants to be a wants to answer to CEO who runs around on the stage, sweating like a pig and screaming? Who wants to answer to a CEO who throws chairs across a room? Hey, I'm the first in line when it comes to being verbally passionate about my products, but I don't cross the line into craziness. I hasten to add that a bigger problem with Balmer screaming that he'll "kill Google" while throwing a chair across the room is that it illustrates just how poorly Balmer understands the current market and business situation. Google is a threat to Microsoft only because Microsoft lets them be by treating customers badly and churning out crap and then overcharging for it. Microsoft is a threat to itself because of its arrogance, typified by Balmer. (The hatred of Google is also very bad for business; Ray Noorda ran Novell into the ground in a personal vendetta against Microsoft [I worked there at the time.]) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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From Microsoft's Presspass: Microsoft chairman Bill Gates transitioning out of company in 2008[^] Bill Gates will transition out of a day-to-day role in Microsoft effective July 2008 to spend more time on his global health and education work at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and will continue to serve as the company’s chairman and an advisor on key development projects. Ray Ozzie assumes the title of chief software architect and will begin working side by side with Gates on all technical architecture and product oversight responsibilities, while Craig Mundie takes the new title of chief research and strategy officer and will work closely with Gates to assume his responsibility for the company’s research and incubation efforts. -------------- TTFN - Kent
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Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable.
Sarcasm, right? Well, in my vast experience of the world (more sarcasm) I've often had to deal with "older" or "senior" members of the team that were too rigid, too stuck in their ways. In some cases, like a company I did some consulting for that manufactures communication satellites, the fact that the senior managers and older engineers wouldn't/couldn't embrace new technologies literally cost the company millions of dollars in lost productivity and sales. It was in this case, measurable. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Well, with Microsoft's stock being lackluster for the last three years, something needs to change. It's probably a good idea actually, let newer/younger people start guiding the company with ideas. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
Well, with Microsoft's stock being lackluster for the last three years
Not sure I would frame it that way. When you look at MS stock from 1990 until now, you can see a different picture. Although there was a spike in 1999-2002, there was a huge dot com bubble at that time. The amazing thing is that Microsoft leadership have fought off about every attack known to business and still continue to make the company survive. Ever time Microsoft makes an addition to there OS, they face large legal battles even though other OS manufactures include more features. So, coming through the dot com rise and fall, battling people, companies and countries trying to sue them out of business, facing an unjust negative view from the masses as being some horrible monster that is worse that Satan, being labeled by the government as a monoply (while other OS's grow and build), I think they have done an outstanding job! Both Bill and Balmer are extreamly intelligent people and have made it through very difficult times. Although Balmer is a bit of a wild card, that is a good portion of his job, to rally the forces, to be radical to inspire by about any means. That does not mean his does not have a temper though :) One documentary I watched about Microsoft, explained some of the early years and more about what the headship was all about. I beleive Bill is owed much respect from the computer field, even though at times he did allow things to visit the dark side. However, the majority of people, if they where in his shoes, would have done much worse and the industry would have paid the price. When I read about this move, it caused me a bit of concern as to what it will mean to Microsoft in the long haul, but I figure Bill will keep an eye on everything to make sure it continues on for decades bringing stability to the computer field. Just my $02.5 view ;) Rocky <>< Latest Post: Visual Studio 2005 Standard, whats missing? Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable.
Sarcasm, right? Well, in my vast experience of the world (more sarcasm) I've often had to deal with "older" or "senior" members of the team that were too rigid, too stuck in their ways. In some cases, like a company I did some consulting for that manufactures communication satellites, the fact that the senior managers and older engineers wouldn't/couldn't embrace new technologies literally cost the company millions of dollars in lost productivity and sales. It was in this case, measurable. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
You have to remember that I come from a more idealistic time. Consequently, I instinctively rebel against discrimination against any group based on stereotypes. I've spent the better part of my life quietly fighting against racism, sexism and other forms of ill conceived and poorly thought out perceptions. I do realize that it's unrealistic given the capacity for human stupidity and the herd instinct :baaaa!: but I nonetheless believe that individuals should be judged by who they are and how they behave, not by which label that they can conveniently be tagged with. The idiots and the inspired exist within every classification. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes