future of programming
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Will programing always be an art or, will it become an extreme science like physics, and math? Abhishek
The future of programming IMO is this : Languages like C# and VB make it increasingly easy for people to write something that doesn't melt their system, and increasingly makes it possible to create simple programs that do something 'run of the mill' without writing much code, if any. At the same time, the number of developers in places like India, Pakistan and Russia ( i.e. places where the cost of living is low ) is making it possible for people to get programs written at unheard of prices. The price of Indian developers will rise. The price people are willing to pay developers in the West will drop. Developing software will in some circles be regarded as no more of a technical skill than using Word ( having said that, I do not know how to use most of Word ). There will always be a place in all of this for people with genuine skills in development, design and architecture to make a good living. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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The future of programming IMO is this : Languages like C# and VB make it increasingly easy for people to write something that doesn't melt their system, and increasingly makes it possible to create simple programs that do something 'run of the mill' without writing much code, if any. At the same time, the number of developers in places like India, Pakistan and Russia ( i.e. places where the cost of living is low ) is making it possible for people to get programs written at unheard of prices. The price of Indian developers will rise. The price people are willing to pay developers in the West will drop. Developing software will in some circles be regarded as no more of a technical skill than using Word ( having said that, I do not know how to use most of Word ). There will always be a place in all of this for people with genuine skills in development, design and architecture to make a good living. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
The price of Indian developers will rise. The price people are willing to pay developers in the West will drop.
why will that happen? Abhishek
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Will programing always be an art or, will it become an extreme science like physics, and math? Abhishek
In terms of liberty and robustness, I line the three disciplines this way:
art <--> science <--> engineering
IMO, programming now sits at art (becuase it's creative), or slightly towards science (because there are some solid algorithms). All the effort in modern programming seems to drive it towards engineering (when it becomes an engineering practice). OOD and modular programming are examples of such a trend. Best, Jun
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Will programing always be an art or, will it become an extreme science like physics, and math? Abhishek
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Will programing always be an art or, will it become an extreme science like physics, and math? Abhishek
AbhishekBK wrote:
Will programing always be an art
Programming is little more than a bunch of old guys (and some gals) trying to relive their childhood BASIC and LOGO days while sometimes making big bucks and pretending to know things. And for all those youngun programmers who missed out on the good ol' days, they're just trying to be like the old guys. I call it the "David & Marc Era". :) So yes, programming will always be an art, and most of the artwork will suck. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Christian Graus wrote:
The price of Indian developers will rise. The price people are willing to pay developers in the West will drop.
why will that happen? Abhishek
Obviously because everyone wants to be paid more, and Indian developers are so cheap now, the market would not drop off significantly if they start asking for more, so they will. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Will programing always be an art or, will it become an extreme science like physics, and math? Abhishek
I think you are neither an artist or a scientist or a programmer to write such balderdash! It's creative but it's not art (mhh.. well, what is art by the way?). It's logical but it's not science (research). Programing is engineering.
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I think you are neither an artist or a scientist or a programmer to write such balderdash! It's creative but it's not art (mhh.. well, what is art by the way?). It's logical but it's not science (research). Programing is engineering.
Super Lloyd wrote:
I think you are neither an artist or a scientist or a programmer to write such balderdash!
You are right. I am only figuring out which will be worth my time. :-D Abhishek
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AbhishekBK wrote:
Will programing always be an art
Programming is little more than a bunch of old guys (and some gals) trying to relive their childhood BASIC and LOGO days while sometimes making big bucks and pretending to know things. And for all those youngun programmers who missed out on the good ol' days, they're just trying to be like the old guys. I call it the "David & Marc Era". :) So yes, programming will always be an art, and most of the artwork will suck. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Sheesh. Who peed in your breakfast cereal this morning, Marc? :rolleyes:
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Obviously because everyone wants to be paid more, and Indian developers are so cheap now, the market would not drop off significantly if they start asking for more, so they will. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Indian developers are so cheap now
Indian currency is cheap. That's closer to what you want to say......... I guess:) Abhishek -- modified at 9:22 Saturday 24th June, 2006
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Christian Graus wrote:
Indian developers are so cheap now
Indian currency is cheap. That's closer to what you want to say......... I guess:) Abhishek -- modified at 9:22 Saturday 24th June, 2006
Well, I guess, but it's a nit pick. What matters to people in the West is that it's cheap to hire an Indian. Obviously, this is because the cost of living in India is very low, in US $. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Well, I guess, but it's a nit pick. What matters to people in the West is that it's cheap to hire an Indian. Obviously, this is because the cost of living in India is very low, in US $. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Generally speaking I agree with you. I have an Economics degree and it would seem that there is an equalibrum waiting to be acheived. However, you have to understand the Indian Cast system. In India it depends on your cast. Now why I don't undestand it completely I do know that if your parents are plumbers, you will most likley be a plumber (nothing against plumbers). If you are homeless, you will be homeless. You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children. So I think the Cast system will mess up the economics as there is a barrer to entry. Not everyone can become a developer. So while I think equalibrum is still going to be achived it's in the long term. No time soon. E=mc2 -> BOOM
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AbhishekBK wrote:
Will programing always be an art
Programming is little more than a bunch of old guys (and some gals) trying to relive their childhood BASIC and LOGO days while sometimes making big bucks and pretending to know things. And for all those youngun programmers who missed out on the good ol' days, they're just trying to be like the old guys. I call it the "David & Marc Era". :) So yes, programming will always be an art, and most of the artwork will suck. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Most of all art sucks. The only thing that ends up on display is the tolerable stuff. The rest is crap. Arguably the displayed stuff is too. E=mc2 -> BOOM
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Generally speaking I agree with you. I have an Economics degree and it would seem that there is an equalibrum waiting to be acheived. However, you have to understand the Indian Cast system. In India it depends on your cast. Now why I don't undestand it completely I do know that if your parents are plumbers, you will most likley be a plumber (nothing against plumbers). If you are homeless, you will be homeless. You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children. So I think the Cast system will mess up the economics as there is a barrer to entry. Not everyone can become a developer. So while I think equalibrum is still going to be achived it's in the long term. No time soon. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Nish and others have spoken a bit recently in the soapbox about a system they have that guarentees uni places to lower caste members, apparently. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Generally speaking I agree with you. I have an Economics degree and it would seem that there is an equalibrum waiting to be acheived. However, you have to understand the Indian Cast system. In India it depends on your cast. Now why I don't undestand it completely I do know that if your parents are plumbers, you will most likley be a plumber (nothing against plumbers). If you are homeless, you will be homeless. You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children. So I think the Cast system will mess up the economics as there is a barrer to entry. Not everyone can become a developer. So while I think equalibrum is still going to be achived it's in the long term. No time soon. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Albert Einstein. wrote:
You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children.
:confused: I dont know where you got that from...This could be true say some 100 or even 50 years ago. Not the case anymore.
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Well, I guess, but it's a nit pick. What matters to people in the West is that it's cheap to hire an Indian. Obviously, this is because the cost of living in India is very low, in US $. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I guess, but it's a nit pick.
Of course it is one, but only when one is talking to himself.
Christian Graus wrote:
Obviously, this is because the cost of living in India is very low, in US $.
That's very true. Abhishek
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Generally speaking I agree with you. I have an Economics degree and it would seem that there is an equalibrum waiting to be acheived. However, you have to understand the Indian Cast system. In India it depends on your cast. Now why I don't undestand it completely I do know that if your parents are plumbers, you will most likley be a plumber (nothing against plumbers). If you are homeless, you will be homeless. You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children. So I think the Cast system will mess up the economics as there is a barrer to entry. Not everyone can become a developer. So while I think equalibrum is still going to be achived it's in the long term. No time soon. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Once upon a time in India, there were no programmers. Then came an offer from XYZ software of US. Guess what happened?:laugh: No........... jokes apart. The caste system is only a part of Politics not business. Abhishek -- modified at 9:41 Saturday 24th June, 2006
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Most of all art sucks. The only thing that ends up on display is the tolerable stuff. The rest is crap. Arguably the displayed stuff is too. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Albert Einstein. wrote:
Most of all art sucks. The only thing that ends up on display is the tolerable stuff. The rest is crap. Arguably the displayed stuff is too
That would be the same the artist would say when they look at our code :-D. If you like art then you would understand the beauty and meaning behind most of the art. Probably we are good in looking at {} ++ -- (which is an art to us). Being an artist(hobby) and a programmer, I would need to disagree little with you.
Tarakeshwar MCP, CCIE Q(R&S) Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. !sgub evah t'nseod margorP sihT ?sgub naem ayaddahW
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Albert Einstein. wrote:
You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children.
:confused: I dont know where you got that from...This could be true say some 100 or even 50 years ago. Not the case anymore.
Just the impression I was given. But could someone who lives in poverty really become a CEO in India? Probably not. E=mc2 -> BOOM
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Will programing always be an art or, will it become an extreme science like physics, and math? Abhishek
Programming is just solving a problem via computer code. Whilst it can be a creative task, it is no more art than paint by numbers is. More and more solutions will be created by tools and languages that take us further from the machine. Programming will diverge into those who write the tools and those who write the higher level solutions. Personally, I'm in it for the higher end problem solving, the coding doesn't really interest me so much. The higher the abstraction and the more the tools will do, is all better for me. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]