future of programming
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Generally speaking I agree with you. I have an Economics degree and it would seem that there is an equalibrum waiting to be acheived. However, you have to understand the Indian Cast system. In India it depends on your cast. Now why I don't undestand it completely I do know that if your parents are plumbers, you will most likley be a plumber (nothing against plumbers). If you are homeless, you will be homeless. You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children. So I think the Cast system will mess up the economics as there is a barrer to entry. Not everyone can become a developer. So while I think equalibrum is still going to be achived it's in the long term. No time soon. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Albert Einstein. wrote:
You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children.
:confused: I dont know where you got that from...This could be true say some 100 or even 50 years ago. Not the case anymore.
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Well, I guess, but it's a nit pick. What matters to people in the West is that it's cheap to hire an Indian. Obviously, this is because the cost of living in India is very low, in US $. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I guess, but it's a nit pick.
Of course it is one, but only when one is talking to himself.
Christian Graus wrote:
Obviously, this is because the cost of living in India is very low, in US $.
That's very true. Abhishek
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Generally speaking I agree with you. I have an Economics degree and it would seem that there is an equalibrum waiting to be acheived. However, you have to understand the Indian Cast system. In India it depends on your cast. Now why I don't undestand it completely I do know that if your parents are plumbers, you will most likley be a plumber (nothing against plumbers). If you are homeless, you will be homeless. You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children. So I think the Cast system will mess up the economics as there is a barrer to entry. Not everyone can become a developer. So while I think equalibrum is still going to be achived it's in the long term. No time soon. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Once upon a time in India, there were no programmers. Then came an offer from XYZ software of US. Guess what happened?:laugh: No........... jokes apart. The caste system is only a part of Politics not business. Abhishek -- modified at 9:41 Saturday 24th June, 2006
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Most of all art sucks. The only thing that ends up on display is the tolerable stuff. The rest is crap. Arguably the displayed stuff is too. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Albert Einstein. wrote:
Most of all art sucks. The only thing that ends up on display is the tolerable stuff. The rest is crap. Arguably the displayed stuff is too
That would be the same the artist would say when they look at our code :-D. If you like art then you would understand the beauty and meaning behind most of the art. Probably we are good in looking at {} ++ -- (which is an art to us). Being an artist(hobby) and a programmer, I would need to disagree little with you.
Tarakeshwar MCP, CCIE Q(R&S) Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. !sgub evah t'nseod margorP sihT ?sgub naem ayaddahW
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Albert Einstein. wrote:
You have do not have a way to make yourself better and provide a future other than your own to your children.
:confused: I dont know where you got that from...This could be true say some 100 or even 50 years ago. Not the case anymore.
Just the impression I was given. But could someone who lives in poverty really become a CEO in India? Probably not. E=mc2 -> BOOM
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Will programing always be an art or, will it become an extreme science like physics, and math? Abhishek
Programming is just solving a problem via computer code. Whilst it can be a creative task, it is no more art than paint by numbers is. More and more solutions will be created by tools and languages that take us further from the machine. Programming will diverge into those who write the tools and those who write the higher level solutions. Personally, I'm in it for the higher end problem solving, the coding doesn't really interest me so much. The higher the abstraction and the more the tools will do, is all better for me. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Most of all art sucks. The only thing that ends up on display is the tolerable stuff. The rest is crap. Arguably the displayed stuff is too. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Albert Einstein. wrote:
Most of all art sucks. The only thing that ends up on display is the tolerable stuff. The rest is crap. Arguably the displayed stuff is too.
And who is the leadig authority on that?;P Abhishek
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Programming is just solving a problem via computer code. Whilst it can be a creative task, it is no more art than paint by numbers is. More and more solutions will be created by tools and languages that take us further from the machine. Programming will diverge into those who write the tools and those who write the higher level solutions. Personally, I'm in it for the higher end problem solving, the coding doesn't really interest me so much. The higher the abstraction and the more the tools will do, is all better for me. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
More and more solutions will be created by tools and languages that take us further from the machine. Programming will diverge into those who write the tools and those who write the higher level solutions.
Yeah. Maybe, programing as we now it today wont exist infuture. Maybe we'll use just the mouse to write a program. Abhishek
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Sheesh. Who peed in your breakfast cereal this morning, Marc? :rolleyes:
Software Zen:
delete this;And because he eats that hearty New England oatmeal, it doesn't absorb liquid well, so the pee just tend to float on the top of it all. Double Whammy Bummer for Marc! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! -- modified at 9:53 Saturday 24th June, 2006
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Just the impression I was given. But could someone who lives in poverty really become a CEO in India? Probably not. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Albert Einstein. wrote:
Just the impression I was given. But could someone who lives in poverty really become a CEO in India? Probably not.
Dont know if you have heard of Narayan Murty and Infosys. Thats the example you are searching for. Abhishek
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Super Lloyd wrote:
I think you are neither an artist or a scientist or a programmer to write such balderdash!
You are right. I am only figuring out which will be worth my time. :-D Abhishek
Maybe i was a bit harsh, bad mood, sorry :sigh: But good reaction on your part! :laugh:
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Maybe i was a bit harsh, bad mood, sorry :sigh: But good reaction on your part! :laugh:
Super Lloyd wrote:
Maybe i was a bit harsh, bad mood........
I bet it is about porting code to the new Framework.:laugh: Abhishek
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Albert Einstein. wrote:
Just the impression I was given. But could someone who lives in poverty really become a CEO in India? Probably not.
Dont know if you have heard of Narayan Murty and Infosys. Thats the example you are searching for. Abhishek
Thanks. Not being Indian myself I'm speaking from some ignorance. E=mc2 -> BOOM
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Just the impression I was given. But could someone who lives in poverty really become a CEO in India? Probably not. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Very difficult. There could be a few examples of people who rose up from abject poverty to be industry leaders but too few and far between. But I guess there is an iota of difficulty in that happening even in the west. As far as your originial post goes, you are right, there are social imbalances due to the caste system especially in rural areas. But can you deny a person a job, education or healthcare based on his religion/nationality/caste in India ? - Absolutely not.
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Sheesh. Who peed in your breakfast cereal this morning, Marc? :rolleyes:
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Who peed in your breakfast cereal this morning, Marc?
haha. So, do you agree with me or not? Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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And because he eats that hearty New England oatmeal, it doesn't absorb liquid well, so the pee just tend to float on the top of it all. Double Whammy Bummer for Marc! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! -- modified at 9:53 Saturday 24th June, 2006
Jim Crafton wrote:
And because he eats that hearty New England oatmeal,
Yup! Just finished a bowl, with scrambled eggs on the side. Yummm! Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Thanks. Not being Indian myself I'm speaking from some ignorance. E=mc2 -> BOOM
Albert Einstein. wrote:
Thanks. Not being Indian myself I'm speaking from some ignorance.
But I thought Albert Eins:laugh:tein was very fond of and knowledgable about India. Abhishek
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Programming is just solving a problem via computer code. Whilst it can be a creative task, it is no more art than paint by numbers is. More and more solutions will be created by tools and languages that take us further from the machine. Programming will diverge into those who write the tools and those who write the higher level solutions. Personally, I'm in it for the higher end problem solving, the coding doesn't really interest me so much. The higher the abstraction and the more the tools will do, is all better for me. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
the coding doesn't really interest me so much. The higher the abstraction and the more the tools will do, is all better for me.
I see coding as proof of concept sort of thing. In engineering, having an idea and implementing it are equally important. Best, Jun
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Very difficult. There could be a few examples of people who rose up from abject poverty to be industry leaders but too few and far between. But I guess there is an iota of difficulty in that happening even in the west. As far as your originial post goes, you are right, there are social imbalances due to the caste system especially in rural areas. But can you deny a person a job, education or healthcare based on his religion/nationality/caste in India ? - Absolutely not.
retZ wrote:
As far as your originial post goes, you are right, there are social imbalances due to the caste system especially in rural areas. But can you deny a person a job, education or healthcare based on his religion/nationality/caste in India ? - Absolutely not.
I wonder how you know how you know so much about the place. Aren’t you an American yourself? And by the way, most of what you say is correct. Only want to add that most of it is political. It doesn’t interfere in business. Abhishek
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Albert Einstein. wrote:
Thanks. Not being Indian myself I'm speaking from some ignorance.
But I thought Albert Eins:laugh:tein was very fond of and knowledgable about India. Abhishek
Actually I don't know. E=mc2 -> BOOM