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fat_boy wrote:
Because Israeli law does not protect the Arab, it only protects the Jew.
Actualy it does, if you are an Israeli Arab. You do realise 11 members of the knesset, a supreme court justice and about 20% of the IDF are Arabs of various faiths.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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OK, make that Arab Muslims then that the law doesnt protect. Yes, there are Arab christians too, like the ones responsible for the Sabra Shatilla masacre.
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Er, no. Their are manhy Muslim and Druze arabs represented in the IDF and Knesset. Most Bedu families in Israel have at least one member in the IDF. They are treated pretty badly in most Arab countries. There are ethnic restrictions on Israeli immigation, but Arab citizens have complete equality under the law. Surveys of Isreali arabs come up with a figure of about 70% who say they would stay in Israel after any potential 2 state solution. -- modified at 7:40 Friday 28th July, 2006
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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>>So one side's dead babies are more important No, I have never ever said that.. I consider the Hezzbollahs to be terrorists and should be destroyed. However by killing babies and civilians, I pretty much get the same opinion about Israel. In order to not appear as bad as the terrorists, Israel should give higest priority to not harm the civilians, even if it costs more Israeli soldiers lives when they cant use bomb raids. This is not how Israel currently handles the matter, they attack in blind rage. //Roger
One rule for the Jews then and one for us, fucking typical.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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One rule for the Jews then and one for us, fucking typical.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Your like one of those high pitch yorkshire terriers barking away. "Oh my owner digital man says this, Id better bark with him , yapp yapp yapp"
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Shagging your wife is normal?!? The border has not, as you so disingenuously put it, shifted from 48. You really like your own skewed view of history, don't you? How many ohter countries have ever given up land won by war or have even been asked to? Why should they just wander back to unsafe borders without any concessions from the muslims? Or are they somehow different form the rest of humanity as you seem to feel Jews are?
fat_boy wrote:
Because Israeli law does not protect the Arab, it only protects the Jew.
This is complete rubbish: firstly the population of Israel is by no means 100% Jewish and any citizen of Israel, regardless of ethnicity, has exactly the same rights under the law as every other citizen. You sound like you actually read and believed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next doordigital man wrote:
How many ohter countries have ever given up land won by war or have even been asked to
Russia, Great Britian, France, Germany, etc etc etc.
digital man wrote:
any citizen of Israel, regardless of ethnicity, has exactly the same rights under the law as every other citizen.
In theory, but in practice? Did you look at the B'Tselem yet? Open your eyes to the truth man. And the settlers are worse then the IDF.
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Your like one of those high pitch yorkshire terriers barking away. "Oh my owner digital man says this, Id better bark with him , yapp yapp yapp"
Yeah, my check from Zog is in the post. You antisemetic turd.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Yeah, my check from Zog is in the post. You antisemetic turd.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
>>You antisemetic turd. I have nothing against Jews. I just find the current actions of the country Israel wrong. It has nothing to do with my view of neither its citizens nor the main religion there. Now have a frolic.. goood boooy..
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Er, no. Their are manhy Muslim and Druze arabs represented in the IDF and Knesset. Most Bedu families in Israel have at least one member in the IDF. They are treated pretty badly in most Arab countries. There are ethnic restrictions on Israeli immigation, but Arab citizens have complete equality under the law. Surveys of Isreali arabs come up with a figure of about 70% who say they would stay in Israel after any potential 2 state solution. -- modified at 7:40 Friday 28th July, 2006
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Look, I don t care if there are 12.5% left handed, zarathrustrians in the friggin Israeli army. Fact is, the Arab is unequal to a Jew in the eyes of their society. You want proof? Look at http://www.btselem.org/english/About_BTselem/Index.asp[^]
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fat_boy wrote:
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
There are 3 kinds of reality: yours, mine and the truth. I can't see how we'd ever agree on Israel: our positions are so polarised and you are correct when you say my position is colored by my Jewishness. How could it not be? What is coloring your position? (and don't say dead babies: there are too many dead on both sides).
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Reign of Error: Paul Krugman, NY Times: "Amid everything else that’s going wrong in the world, here’s one more piece of depressing news: a few days ago the Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans now believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when we invaded, up from 36 percent in February 2005. Meanwhile, 64 percent still believe that Saddam had strong links with Al Qaeda. "At one level, this shouldn’t be all that surprising. The people now running America never accept inconvenient truths. Long after facts they don’t like have been established, whether it’s the absence of any wrongdoing by the Clintons in the Whitewater affair or the absence of W.M.D. in Iraq, the propaganda machine that supports the current administration is still at work, seeking to flush those facts down the memory hole. "But it’s dismaying to realize that the machine remains so effective. "Here’s how the process works. "First, if the facts fail to support the administration position on an issue — stem cells, global warming, tax cuts, income inequality, Iraq — officials refuse to acknowledge the facts. "Sometimes the officials simply lie. 'The tax cuts have made the tax code more progressive and reduced income inequality,' Edward Lazear, the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, declared a couple of months ago. More often, however, they bob and weave. "Consider, for example, Condoleezza Rice’s response a few months ago, when pressed to explain why the administration always links the Iraq war to 9/11. She admitted that Saddam, 'as far as we know, did not order Sept. 11, may not have even known of Sept. 11.' (Notice how her statement, while literally true, nonetheless seems to imply both that it’s still possible that Saddam ordered 9/11, and that he probably did know about it.) 'But,' she went on, 'that’s a very narrow definition of what caused Sept. 11.' "Meanwhile, apparatchiks in the media spread disinformation. It’s hard to imagine what the world looks like to the large number of Americans who get their news by watching Fox and listening to Rush Limbaugh, but I get a pretty good sense from my mailbag. "Many of my correspondents are living in a world in which the economy is better than it ever was under Bill Clinton, newly released documents show that Saddam really was in cahoots with Osama, and the discovery of some decayed 1980’s-vintage chemical munitions vindicates everything the administration said about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. (Hyping of the munitions find may partly exp
John Carson wrote:
It’s hard to imagine what the world looks like to the large number of Americans who get their news by watching Fox and listening to Rush Limbaugh, but I get a pretty good sense from my mailbag.
Of course, if the likes of Krugman and the New York Times were not such shameless shills for the democractic party and all things leftist, perhaps there would have never been a market for Limbaugh and Fox. The left's long misuse of its media monopoly created the current state of affairs. If we cannot have honest reporting, at least we can have a diversity of dishonesty. And after all, isn't diversity a liberal goal? -- modified at 8:40 Friday 28th July, 2006
Thank God for disproportional force.
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digital man wrote:
How many ohter countries have ever given up land won by war or have even been asked to
Russia, Great Britian, France, Germany, etc etc etc.
digital man wrote:
any citizen of Israel, regardless of ethnicity, has exactly the same rights under the law as every other citizen.
In theory, but in practice? Did you look at the B'Tselem yet? Open your eyes to the truth man. And the settlers are worse then the IDF.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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>>You antisemetic turd. I have nothing against Jews. I just find the current actions of the country Israel wrong. It has nothing to do with my view of neither its citizens nor the main religion there. Now have a frolic.. goood boooy..
Roger J wrote:
I just find the current actions of the country Israel wrong.
wiping out a terrorist enemy?
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
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About olive trees. http://fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=1595[^]
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More one-sided propoganda. I can see why you'd be as virulantly anti-semitic as you are if all you read is this nonsense. Why not take a trip to Israel, meet the people, find out their side of the story because they do have a side. Course, I'd love to visit Gaza or the West Bank. I wonder how long I'd live once I told them I was a Jew?
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Roger J wrote:
I just find the current actions of the country Israel wrong.
wiping out a terrorist enemy?
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
No, not that part.. wiping out civilians.. if you had read my posts you would know that. Now, heres a frolic for you to.. O
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John Carson wrote:
It’s hard to imagine what the world looks like to the large number of Americans who get their news by watching Fox and listening to Rush Limbaugh, but I get a pretty good sense from my mailbag.
Of course, if the likes of Krugman and the New York Times were not such shameless shills for the democractic party and all things leftist, perhaps there would have never been a market for Limbaugh and Fox. The left's long misuse of its media monopoly created the current state of affairs. If we cannot have honest reporting, at least we can have a diversity of dishonesty. And after all, isn't diversity a liberal goal? -- modified at 8:40 Friday 28th July, 2006
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course, if the likes Krugman and the New York Times were not such shameless shills for the democractic party and all things leftist, perhaps there would have never been a market for Limbaugh and Fox. The left's long misuse of its media monopoly created the current state of affairs. If we cannot have honest reporting, at least we can have a diversity of dishonesty.
Strange thing then that egregious misinformation regarding current events seems to be so concentrated on the right.
John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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No, not that part.. wiping out civilians.. if you had read my posts you would know that. Now, heres a frolic for you to.. O
Roger J wrote:
wiping out civilians
Well lets just use highly emotive language to describe what is not going on, shall we?
Roger J wrote:
if you had read my posts you would know that.
I read your posts and it's hard to not see you as anti-semitic as that's exactly how you come across. There's no mention of the countless hundreds of Israelis murdered by homicide bombers. There's no mention of the constant trickle of kidnapped soldiers. People like you have my absolute pity: you live in a small, dark, cowardly world and still can't bear it without finding an innocent target to shoot your biased barbs at. Perhaps if the muslims (form whatever part of the middle east) would stop using Israel for target practice Israel would be free to exist without walls and tanks and planes. For the moment we put those down is the moment we disappear from history.
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digital man wrote:
How many ohter countries have ever given up land won by war or have even been asked to
Russia, Great Britian, France, Germany, etc etc etc.
digital man wrote:
any citizen of Israel, regardless of ethnicity, has exactly the same rights under the law as every other citizen.
In theory, but in practice? Did you look at the B'Tselem yet? Open your eyes to the truth man. And the settlers are worse then the IDF.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
Great Britian
How do you think the USA was formed?
fat_boy wrote:
Germany
Remember East Germany?
fat_boy wrote:
France
Like Britain, France was also once an empire. They lost Vietnam during WWII.
fat_boy wrote:
Russia
The USSR ate up numerous nations after WWII, then spit them back out after Reagan brought them down. So yes, this sort of thing is very common.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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Roger J wrote:
wiping out civilians
Well lets just use highly emotive language to describe what is not going on, shall we?
Roger J wrote:
if you had read my posts you would know that.
I read your posts and it's hard to not see you as anti-semitic as that's exactly how you come across. There's no mention of the countless hundreds of Israelis murdered by homicide bombers. There's no mention of the constant trickle of kidnapped soldiers. People like you have my absolute pity: you live in a small, dark, cowardly world and still can't bear it without finding an innocent target to shoot your biased barbs at. Perhaps if the muslims (form whatever part of the middle east) would stop using Israel for target practice Israel would be free to exist without walls and tanks and planes. For the moment we put those down is the moment we disappear from history.
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bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next door>>I read your posts and it's hard to not see you as anti-semiti Can you direct me to one of my own posts where I say something bad about Jews or your religion? As Ive stated countless of times, I condemn the actions Hizbollah, and I think Israel has all rights to defend itself. I just think it does so in a very clumsy manner with no respect for the innocent. You can say that they are free to leave, and that its their own fault if they are bombed because they have been warned. Then the exact same argument can be applied to israel, if they dont want suicide bombers , they can move elsehwere.. (to be clear, I do _NOT_ think you should, Im just pointing out that your argument is weak) //Roger [edit] >>I read your posts and it's hard to not see you as anti-semitic as that's exactly how you come >>across. There's no mention of the countless hundreds of Israelis murdered by homicide bombers. >>There's no mention of the constant trickle of kidnapped soldiers. How about : http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1599951&forumid=2605#xx1599951xx[^] and http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1596168&forumid=2605&mode=all&userid=75761#xx1596168xx[^]
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More one-sided propoganda. I can see why you'd be as virulantly anti-semitic as you are if all you read is this nonsense. Why not take a trip to Israel, meet the people, find out their side of the story because they do have a side. Course, I'd love to visit Gaza or the West Bank. I wonder how long I'd live once I told them I was a Jew?
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bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next doorGo on then look at http://www.btselem.org/english/Testimonies/index.asp[^][^] I dare you to take your head out of the sand and look at what an Israeli Jewish Human rights group are saying about what their people are doing to Arabs.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course, if the likes Krugman and the New York Times were not such shameless shills for the democractic party and all things leftist, perhaps there would have never been a market for Limbaugh and Fox. The left's long misuse of its media monopoly created the current state of affairs. If we cannot have honest reporting, at least we can have a diversity of dishonesty.
Strange thing then that egregious misinformation regarding current events seems to be so concentrated on the right.
John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
John Carson wrote:
Strange thing then that egregious misinformation regarding current events seems to be so concentrated on the right.
No it isn't. Just take the example that Krugman mentions - the weapons recently discovered. There were tons of them, they were WMDs, they were the very weapons Hussien was supposed to get rid of. Now, perhaps the notion that these justified Bush's invasion is invalid, but they are a big deal. To dismiss them as meaningless as Krugman does, is a perfect example of why we need Fox Limbaugh, etc, in the mix. Otherwise, no one would have ever even known that any thing at all had been found. Krugman would have happily covered up the truth, just as his buddy Cronkite purposefully covered up the truth about the Tet offensive, and its conseguences in 1968. Too bad we didn't have a Limbaugh and a Fox in 1968 to counter that kind of propaganda.
Thank God for disproportional force.