USA - extremist haters
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Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
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Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
Why is: "Ned Lamont and his supporters need to [g]et real busy. Ned needs to beat Lieberman to a pulp in the debate and define what it means to be an AMerican who is NOT beholden to the Israeli Lobby" extremeist? I dont know anything about US politics, but this seems like a reasonable stance to me.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
So the right is finally driving the left to join them in their abandon of civil discourse. What's your point?
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So the right is finally driving the left to join them in their abandon of civil discourse. What's your point?
That liberals are followers and therefore not the reformers they contend to be?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
Let's see (Republican) McCarthyism - Congressional hearings, blacklisting, careers destroyed, people informing on each other. Liberal McCarthyism - nasty blog posts. Oh the horror!
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Why is: "Ned Lamont and his supporters need to [g]et real busy. Ned needs to beat Lieberman to a pulp in the debate and define what it means to be an AMerican who is NOT beholden to the Israeli Lobby" extremeist? I dont know anything about US politics, but this seems like a reasonable stance to me.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
I dont know anything about US politics, but this seems like a reasonable stance to me.
The most peculiar thing about American politics is that we are unwilling to discuss our blind and unrelenting support for Israel.. even when they practice their "city block for an eye" policy of revenge everytime they are attacked by some ragtag bunch of goatherds. The reasons for this are complex. Thinking people (those on the left) deplore the way Jews have been treated historically, and of course were appalled by what happened to them during WWI; so we tend to believe that Jews should have a place where they can live in peace and be left alone, if that's what they really want. Because of Jewish activism post-WWII, we have strong memes in place that prevent discussion of Israel's flaws. Such people are immediately labeled anti-Semites, which is a catch-all phrase describing everything from neo-Nazis to anyone who says that, maybe, Israel shouldn't kill 100 civilians for every kidnapped soldier (yes, I'm exaggerating). And then we have the wacky uberChristians, who number about 20% of the population, who see Israel as some sort of sacred theme park that must be preserved and even extended in order for the Rapture to occur, at which point they will all be lifted from their riding mowers up to Heaven, where they will eat fatty foods and watch TV all day. So politiicians are caught in this bind: if they criticize Israel, they are immeditaly labeled as anti-semites (= racist bigots). And yet the Anmiercan people are starting to realize that our unswerving devotion to the cause of this puny, theological democracy is really the cause of almost all of our foreign policy problems.. including the crazy decisions that have lead to the debacle in Iraq. I fear this won't change any time soon. But LaMont's possible (not inevitable) victory will be a step in the right direction.
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Let's see (Republican) McCarthyism - Congressional hearings, blacklisting, careers destroyed, people informing on each other. Liberal McCarthyism - nasty blog posts. Oh the horror!
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Let's see (Republican) McCarthyism - Congressional hearings, blacklisting, careers destroyed, people informing on each other.
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
dennisd45 wrote:
Liberal McCarthyism - nasty blog posts. Oh the horror!
Good thing we Republicans are able to limit left-wing power in this country! Leftists have a nasty track record of disregarding Democracy and overthrowing governments.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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So the right is finally driving the left to join them in their abandon of civil discourse. What's your point?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
What's your point?
my point is that the article was from a committed hard core Democrat criticizing the radical left wing of his own party.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
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fat_boy wrote:
I dont know anything about US politics, but this seems like a reasonable stance to me.
The most peculiar thing about American politics is that we are unwilling to discuss our blind and unrelenting support for Israel.. even when they practice their "city block for an eye" policy of revenge everytime they are attacked by some ragtag bunch of goatherds. The reasons for this are complex. Thinking people (those on the left) deplore the way Jews have been treated historically, and of course were appalled by what happened to them during WWI; so we tend to believe that Jews should have a place where they can live in peace and be left alone, if that's what they really want. Because of Jewish activism post-WWII, we have strong memes in place that prevent discussion of Israel's flaws. Such people are immediately labeled anti-Semites, which is a catch-all phrase describing everything from neo-Nazis to anyone who says that, maybe, Israel shouldn't kill 100 civilians for every kidnapped soldier (yes, I'm exaggerating). And then we have the wacky uberChristians, who number about 20% of the population, who see Israel as some sort of sacred theme park that must be preserved and even extended in order for the Rapture to occur, at which point they will all be lifted from their riding mowers up to Heaven, where they will eat fatty foods and watch TV all day. So politiicians are caught in this bind: if they criticize Israel, they are immeditaly labeled as anti-semites (= racist bigots). And yet the Anmiercan people are starting to realize that our unswerving devotion to the cause of this puny, theological democracy is really the cause of almost all of our foreign policy problems.. including the crazy decisions that have lead to the debacle in Iraq. I fear this won't change any time soon. But LaMont's possible (not inevitable) victory will be a step in the right direction.
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
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"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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dennisd45 wrote:
Let's see (Republican) McCarthyism - Congressional hearings, blacklisting, careers destroyed, people informing on each other.
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
dennisd45 wrote:
Liberal McCarthyism - nasty blog posts. Oh the horror!
Good thing we Republicans are able to limit left-wing power in this country! Leftists have a nasty track record of disregarding Democracy and overthrowing governments.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
No, I don't mean that. Are you ignorant or trolling?
espeir wrote:
Good thing we Republicans are able to limit left-wing power in this country! Leftists have a nasty track record of disregarding Democracy and overthrowing governments.
Republicans: Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, warrentless wire taps, torture, secret detention. Not too great a track record there.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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fat_boy wrote:
I dont know anything about US politics, but this seems like a reasonable stance to me.
The most peculiar thing about American politics is that we are unwilling to discuss our blind and unrelenting support for Israel.. even when they practice their "city block for an eye" policy of revenge everytime they are attacked by some ragtag bunch of goatherds. The reasons for this are complex. Thinking people (those on the left) deplore the way Jews have been treated historically, and of course were appalled by what happened to them during WWI; so we tend to believe that Jews should have a place where they can live in peace and be left alone, if that's what they really want. Because of Jewish activism post-WWII, we have strong memes in place that prevent discussion of Israel's flaws. Such people are immediately labeled anti-Semites, which is a catch-all phrase describing everything from neo-Nazis to anyone who says that, maybe, Israel shouldn't kill 100 civilians for every kidnapped soldier (yes, I'm exaggerating). And then we have the wacky uberChristians, who number about 20% of the population, who see Israel as some sort of sacred theme park that must be preserved and even extended in order for the Rapture to occur, at which point they will all be lifted from their riding mowers up to Heaven, where they will eat fatty foods and watch TV all day. So politiicians are caught in this bind: if they criticize Israel, they are immeditaly labeled as anti-semites (= racist bigots). And yet the Anmiercan people are starting to realize that our unswerving devotion to the cause of this puny, theological democracy is really the cause of almost all of our foreign policy problems.. including the crazy decisions that have lead to the debacle in Iraq. I fear this won't change any time soon. But LaMont's possible (not inevitable) victory will be a step in the right direction.
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
But LaMont's possible (not inevitable) victory will be a step in the right direction.
his victroy will be the best thing that ever happened to the country, it'll wake up the middle (moderates) to really understand the damage being wrought by Dean.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
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espeir wrote:
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
No, I don't mean that. Are you ignorant or trolling?
espeir wrote:
Good thing we Republicans are able to limit left-wing power in this country! Leftists have a nasty track record of disregarding Democracy and overthrowing governments.
Republicans: Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, warrentless wire taps, torture, secret detention. Not too great a track record there.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
No, I don't mean that. Are you ignorant or trolling?
I'm the opposite of ignorant. That's why I don't buy into the liberal propaganda that McCarthyism was America's greatest evil. I do find it suspicious that the left is so adamant about defending the Communists of the McCarty era. You don't see Republicans rushing out to defend Nazis.
dennisd45 wrote:
Nicaragua
Yup. The Reagan administration funded anti-Communist revolutionaries who overthrew the government. Thanks for giving an example of how liberals have nothing but disdain for Democracy (and your support for those liberals).
dennisd45 wrote:
Panama
I used to live there. America installed a successful Democracy. Pretty nice country and the people there are thankful for America's involvement. I can understand why you would oppose this, though...Democracy and all.
dennisd45 wrote:
warrentless wire taps, secret detention
And not a terrorist attack on us since. Naturally you would oppose these actions since they serve to defend Democracy.
dennisd45 wrote:
torture
Huh?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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fat_boy wrote:
I dont know anything about US politics, but this seems like a reasonable stance to me.
The most peculiar thing about American politics is that we are unwilling to discuss our blind and unrelenting support for Israel.. even when they practice their "city block for an eye" policy of revenge everytime they are attacked by some ragtag bunch of goatherds. The reasons for this are complex. Thinking people (those on the left) deplore the way Jews have been treated historically, and of course were appalled by what happened to them during WWI; so we tend to believe that Jews should have a place where they can live in peace and be left alone, if that's what they really want. Because of Jewish activism post-WWII, we have strong memes in place that prevent discussion of Israel's flaws. Such people are immediately labeled anti-Semites, which is a catch-all phrase describing everything from neo-Nazis to anyone who says that, maybe, Israel shouldn't kill 100 civilians for every kidnapped soldier (yes, I'm exaggerating). And then we have the wacky uberChristians, who number about 20% of the population, who see Israel as some sort of sacred theme park that must be preserved and even extended in order for the Rapture to occur, at which point they will all be lifted from their riding mowers up to Heaven, where they will eat fatty foods and watch TV all day. So politiicians are caught in this bind: if they criticize Israel, they are immeditaly labeled as anti-semites (= racist bigots). And yet the Anmiercan people are starting to realize that our unswerving devotion to the cause of this puny, theological democracy is really the cause of almost all of our foreign policy problems.. including the crazy decisions that have lead to the debacle in Iraq. I fear this won't change any time soon. But LaMont's possible (not inevitable) victory will be a step in the right direction.
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dennisd45 wrote:
Let's see (Republican) McCarthyism - Congressional hearings, blacklisting, careers destroyed, people informing on each other.
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
dennisd45 wrote:
Liberal McCarthyism - nasty blog posts. Oh the horror!
Good thing we Republicans are able to limit left-wing power in this country! Leftists have a nasty track record of disregarding Democracy and overthrowing governments.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Did they? I thought they just trampled rights, ignored the law, and ruined careers by getting people blacklisted, with basically nothing to show for it. I suppose it was worth it to be able to publically grill dangerous communist sympathizers like Charlie Chaplin, Paul Robeson, Arthur Miller, and Aaron Copeland.
espeir wrote:
Leftists have a nasty track record
Remind me again, which party was it that established the Department for Fatherland Security? Embraced Diebold voting machines? Made the term "McCarthyism" synonymous with political and ideological persecution?
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
What's your point?
my point is that the article was from a committed hard core Democrat criticizing the radical left wing of his own party.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
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espeir wrote:
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
No, I don't mean that. Are you ignorant or trolling?
espeir wrote:
Good thing we Republicans are able to limit left-wing power in this country! Leftists have a nasty track record of disregarding Democracy and overthrowing governments.
Republicans: Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, warrentless wire taps, torture, secret detention. Not too great a track record there.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Are you ignorant or trolling?
In espeir's case, those two are certainly not mutually exclusive.
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espeir wrote:
Oh no! You mean they actually rooted out some Communist spies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Did they? I thought they just trampled rights, ignored the law, and ruined careers by getting people blacklisted, with basically nothing to show for it. I suppose it was worth it to be able to publically grill dangerous communist sympathizers like Charlie Chaplin, Paul Robeson, Arthur Miller, and Aaron Copeland.
espeir wrote:
Leftists have a nasty track record
Remind me again, which party was it that established the Department for Fatherland Security? Embraced Diebold voting machines? Made the term "McCarthyism" synonymous with political and ideological persecution?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Did they? I thought they just trampled rights, ignored the law, and ruined careers by getting people blacklisted, with basically nothing to show for it. I suppose it was worth it to be able to publically grill dangerous communist sympathizers like Charlie Chaplin, Paul Robeson, Arthur Miller, and Aaron Copeland.
So are you saying that you support Communists? What do you think about Nazis?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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I must be having a moment but I still don't get the point. You would rather see people excuse extremists like John McCain does with Falwell?
led mike
But when we criticize extremists, it becomes McCarthyism! So are you saying that you support McCarthyism?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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dennisd45 wrote:
No, I don't mean that. Are you ignorant or trolling?
I'm the opposite of ignorant. That's why I don't buy into the liberal propaganda that McCarthyism was America's greatest evil. I do find it suspicious that the left is so adamant about defending the Communists of the McCarty era. You don't see Republicans rushing out to defend Nazis.
dennisd45 wrote:
Nicaragua
Yup. The Reagan administration funded anti-Communist revolutionaries who overthrew the government. Thanks for giving an example of how liberals have nothing but disdain for Democracy (and your support for those liberals).
dennisd45 wrote:
Panama
I used to live there. America installed a successful Democracy. Pretty nice country and the people there are thankful for America's involvement. I can understand why you would oppose this, though...Democracy and all.
dennisd45 wrote:
warrentless wire taps, secret detention
And not a terrorist attack on us since. Naturally you would oppose these actions since they serve to defend Democracy.
dennisd45 wrote:
torture
Huh?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
I'm the opposite of ignorant
I'm not so sure about that, but I guess that means you're trolling.
espeir wrote:
I don't buy into the liberal propaganda that McCarthyism was America's greatest evil. I do find it suspicious that the left is so adamant about defending the Communists of the McCarty era. You don't see Republicans rushing out to defend Nazis.
Fantasy world. Defending communists? McCarthy wasn't finding communists, he was terrorizing people. First you say you don't like overthrowing governments, but now you say it's OK.
espeir wrote:
dennisd45 wrote: Nicaragua Yup. The Reagan administration funded anti-Communist revolutionaries who overthrew the government. Thanks for giving an example of how liberals have nothing but disdain for Democracy (and your support for those liberals).
Better brush up on your history. The Sandinistas were not overthrown, and they held Nicaragua's first multi-party elections in 1984, which they won (nascent democracy). Reagan, went behind Congress's back to fund an illegal insurgency (Contras), he even went so far as to deal with the Iranians to help fund it(Iran-Contra scandal).
espeir wrote:
dennisd45 wrote: warrentless wire taps, secret detention And not a terrorist attack on us since. Naturally you would oppose these actions since they serve to defend Democracy.
So you think it is OK to subvert democracy to save it? Very curious position.
espeir wrote:
dennisd45 wrote: torture Huh?
Abu Ghraib. Dick Cheney: "The Geneva Convention does not apply"{
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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dennisd45 wrote:
No, I don't mean that. Are you ignorant or trolling?
I'm the opposite of ignorant. That's why I don't buy into the liberal propaganda that McCarthyism was America's greatest evil. I do find it suspicious that the left is so adamant about defending the Communists of the McCarty era. You don't see Republicans rushing out to defend Nazis.
dennisd45 wrote:
Nicaragua
Yup. The Reagan administration funded anti-Communist revolutionaries who overthrew the government. Thanks for giving an example of how liberals have nothing but disdain for Democracy (and your support for those liberals).
dennisd45 wrote:
Panama
I used to live there. America installed a successful Democracy. Pretty nice country and the people there are thankful for America's involvement. I can understand why you would oppose this, though...Democracy and all.
dennisd45 wrote:
warrentless wire taps, secret detention
And not a terrorist attack on us since. Naturally you would oppose these actions since they serve to defend Democracy.
dennisd45 wrote:
torture
Huh?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
I'm the opposite of ignorant.
No, you are the prime example of an ignorant, but I like to talk you anyway.
espeir wrote:
That's why I don't buy into the liberal propaganda
No you just choose the propaganda you believe in, I'm sure. Sorry espeir, vote me down, but I must say that you are really ignorant. You just choose some propaganda, write it here down and every fact doesn't interest you. You want to believe in your small politically strict orientated world you build around you, often without thinking about the facts. That doesn't mean you're always wrong, no. In fact you often tell the truth, but when you are wrong, nobody is able to show it you. I bet if you don't believe in something you still won't believe it, when you see it happen just next to you again and again. Regards, Ingo
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