BBC caught lying
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fat_boy wrote:
The BBC's bias does not make that point of view invalid.
No, but it does mean that we shouldn't have to pay for it. The use of unattributed local opinion as an excuse to express jounrnalistic opontion is a slight of hand used repeatedly by the BBC throughout the conflict - people say a hell of a lot of things. Hugh Edwards was particularly egregious with this. You would be pissed if the BBC sounded like Fox or the Washington post no?
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
The use of unattributed local opinion as an excuse to express jounrnalistic opontion
I would bet that her reporting of local opinion was accurate.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
You would be pissed if the BBC sounded like Fox or the Washington post no?
Again this dualism. I only argue for the truth, not for sides.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
The use of unattributed local opinion as an excuse to express jounrnalistic opontion
I would bet that her reporting of local opinion was accurate.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
You would be pissed if the BBC sounded like Fox or the Washington post no?
Again this dualism. I only argue for the truth, not for sides.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
I would bet that her reporting of local opinion was accurate
Did she interview everyone and mathematically determine the balance of opinion? And the stuff about George Bush, is she psychic? This is an opinion piece, not journalism.
fat_boy wrote:
Again this dualism. I only argue for the truth, not for sides.
You won't get that from a single source, you certainly don't get it from the BBC.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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The broadsheets are not objective.. I noticed you left the Telegraph out :) But they do have a clearly understood bias, you buy them partialy for the editorial line. This isn't the case with the BBC, where we are forced to pay for a news service that has a clear agenda that many do not support. That agenda has a perfectr right to be expressed, but not using my cash. Would you want to pay that arsehole Littlejohn's salary?
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
but not using my cash
Like I wrote, its not much. The gov is shafting you in many more ways than that. Look at defense spending. Did you agree with spending your money to blow up Iraq? Thats one I WOULD get upset and protest about.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
but not using my cash
Like I wrote, its not much. The gov is shafting you in many more ways than that. Look at defense spending. Did you agree with spending your money to blow up Iraq? Thats one I WOULD get upset and protest about.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Defense is one of the few things the state should do, as it cannot be provided in any other way. Journalism can be aptly provided by private agencies.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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fat_boy wrote:
I would bet that her reporting of local opinion was accurate
Did she interview everyone and mathematically determine the balance of opinion? And the stuff about George Bush, is she psychic? This is an opinion piece, not journalism.
fat_boy wrote:
Again this dualism. I only argue for the truth, not for sides.
You won't get that from a single source, you certainly don't get it from the BBC.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Did she interview everyone and mathematically determine the balance of opinion? And the stuff about George Bush, is she psychic? This is an opinion piece, not journalism.
Of course not. If a handfull of people came up to you and offered that opinion you too would state it as 'people around here feel...' Same for all her comments. She probably has an agenda, and a distorted point of view, but again, that does not mean that that point of view is invalid. There is still truth in it.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
Did she interview everyone and mathematically determine the balance of opinion? And the stuff about George Bush, is she psychic? This is an opinion piece, not journalism.
Of course not. If a handfull of people came up to you and offered that opinion you too would state it as 'people around here feel...' Same for all her comments. She probably has an agenda, and a distorted point of view, but again, that does not mean that that point of view is invalid. There is still truth in it.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
that does not mean that that point of view is invalid. There is still truth in it.
Cool, I expect Daniel Pipes will be employed bt the BBC middle east department soon enough then, he has an agenda and a valid point of view.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Huge exaggeration of war damage[^], along with emoting support of Hizbollah. The woman is well known as an antisemite among journalists (her nickname being orla goebbels) and is married to a Palestinian, why the hell does the BBC let her anywhere near the middle east? I assume because she supports their general editorial line, along with providing sufficiently emotive fact free reports in the same vein as Fergal Keane.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
news in general doesn't have the quality as it should have. Most articles are tampered with to make it sell. Informing the public with quality information seems to be set lower and lower on the list of priorities of the news agencies. :sigh:
I've found a living worth working for, but I haven't found work worth living for. :beer:
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Defense is one of the few things the state should do, as it cannot be provided in any other way. Journalism can be aptly provided by private agencies.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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According to a recent BBC survey, 75% of brits still think they are impartial, which is pretty damn crazy. They do a good job of being non partisan when it comes to political coverage, but that isn't neutrality. I seriously object to having a tax funded version of the guardian pretending it is a neutral news source. At least I don't directly cough up for Reuters.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
BBC - Biased Broadcasting Company
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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John Carson wrote:
One point first. You claim she is married to a Palestinian, whereas the article you link to says she is not. Anyway, so what? Do you think people married to Israelis should be banned from reporting? Of course not.
It shouldn't no, if she had integrity, but she has lots of previous form for this. One of her most egregious examples being reporting the arrset of a young boy with learning difficulties who was wearing a bomb belt as “Israel’s cynical manipulation of a Palestinian youngster for propaganda purposes”.
Here in the south of Lebanon no-one doubts that Hezbollah won this war... (they) told me that they’d had to live as refugees for a month but Hezbollah had made them proud... In a month of fighting, Israel couldn’t beat Hezbollah - probably not how its ally the United States expected things to turn out. For George Bush this is a bad chapter in the war on terror... To many here and in the Arab world Hezbollah are covered in glory
And how the hell is that objective journalism? It's the Hugh Edwards trick of putting "people say" before an opinion you agree with, that isn't news, that's poorly disguised editorial.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
To many here and in the Arab world Hezbollah are covered in glory And how the hell is that objective journalism? It's the Hugh Edwards trick of putting "people say" before an opinion you agree with, that isn't news, that's poorly disguised editorial.
How should it be reported in your view?
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
To many here and in the Arab world Hezbollah are covered in glory And how the hell is that objective journalism? It's the Hugh Edwards trick of putting "people say" before an opinion you agree with, that isn't news, that's poorly disguised editorial.
How should it be reported in your view?
Why report it at all? It's *not* news. Who gives a shiite!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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news in general doesn't have the quality as it should have. Most articles are tampered with to make it sell. Informing the public with quality information seems to be set lower and lower on the list of priorities of the news agencies. :sigh:
I've found a living worth working for, but I haven't found work worth living for. :beer:
:jig:V. wrote:
news in general doesn't have the quality as it should have
And the Internet makes it worse, where blog opinion gets repeated as though it were fact.
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
To many here and in the Arab world Hezbollah are covered in glory And how the hell is that objective journalism? It's the Hugh Edwards trick of putting "people say" before an opinion you agree with, that isn't news, that's poorly disguised editorial.
How should it be reported in your view?
As an opinion piece, not as news. "people say" whatever the hell the journalist wants.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Why report it at all? It's *not* news. Who gives a shiite!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
Why report it at all? It's *not* news.
Just to help me understand your perspective, please provide a link to an article along the same lines (i.e. war in the ME) that you think is news and is unbiased.
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As an opinion piece, not as news. "people say" whatever the hell the journalist wants.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
"people say" whatever the hell the journalist wants
Isn't that true of any article that quotes people? Whether the quote is from George Bush, Tony Bliar, Ehud Olmert or the man in the moon, "people" are going to spin their words in the fashion that best suits their agenda.
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ahz wrote:
Why report it at all? It's *not* news.
Just to help me understand your perspective, please provide a link to an article along the same lines (i.e. war in the ME) that you think is news and is unbiased.
no
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
"people say" whatever the hell the journalist wants
Isn't that true of any article that quotes people? Whether the quote is from George Bush, Tony Bliar, Ehud Olmert or the man in the moon, "people" are going to spin their words in the fashion that best suits their agenda.
It's unattributed, quoting someone, naming them and not paraphrasing would be reasonable. It's the "people say" trick that is not objective.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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no
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Speaks volumes about you.
Yeah, it says "I'm not your lackey." and "I don't need to prove anything." and "You're an adult, do your own research."
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Speaks volumes about you.
Yeah, it says "I'm not your lackey." and "I don't need to prove anything." and "You're an adult, do your own research."
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
"You're an adult, do your own research."
That's a silly contention. How am I supposed to guess what you think is appropriate reportage? If you're too childish to back up your big mouth with actual beliefs or facts, this conversation is useless. No wonder you admire espier so much. You and him are peas of a pod.