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LMAO I guess some one should just decide for us when it comes down to the really important matters when democracy cannot be trusted.
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Religious belief and interpretation are never matters of consensus - which makes them off-limits for democratic decision making processes.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
LMAO I guess some one should just decide for us when it comes down to the really important matters when democracy cannot be trusted.
I agree (but with the non-sarcastic version of that ;))
The Bill of Rights wrote:
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I think that the spirit of our Constitution is such that it is primarily concerned with the rights of individuals, not collections of them. I think that means that the "will of the people" takes a back seat to the "will of the person" when the two are at odds. The State has no business in an individual's religious belief. I think this means that it should be wholly enjoined from participating in any individual's religious beliefs - be it for or against. The State cannot 'sort-of' support a set of religious beliefs without 'sort-of' trodding on another. It's got to keep it's mits out of the whole affair. It shouldn't get to teach anything religious in schools that it funds. It shouldn't give money to any organizations whose primary goal is to spread a religion. It shouldn't thrust its weight behind any religion or subset thereof. It shouldn't allow itself to be used as an outlet of any religious dogma just because a lot of people thought it would be really convenient and a good idea at the time. And of course, the above is certainly arguable opinion. Feel free to disagree. As far as Intelligent Design and Science go - it's a different discussion. ID just isn't science, and doesn't have a place in a science classroom.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
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Yeah, I regretted the way I phrased it after I wrote it, but something else took me away from fixing it to be closer to what I meant. I was just making a point about the FSM and couldn't care less about this post being in one forum or the other. My frustration with the level of discourse in the soapbox spilled over. I wasn't meaning to comment on your level of maturity and I'm sorry if it came across that way. One of the great things about the code project is the diversity of people that come here. The only common thread is that they love to program and tend to do it for a living. It's great that there isn't a common mindset that everyone shares. Your leaving especially for something silly like this would be a really bad thing. On a mostly unrelated note, I'm going to take the advice of one of the other cpians and take an indefinite leave of this place.
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Hopefully not because of me. I've always enjoyed your comments and even in this thread you've had good things to say.:rose:
I only read cp for the articles.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
LMAO I guess some one should just decide for us when it comes down to the really important matters when democracy cannot be trusted.
I agree (but with the non-sarcastic version of that ;))
The Bill of Rights wrote:
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I think that the spirit of our Constitution is such that it is primarily concerned with the rights of individuals, not collections of them. I think that means that the "will of the people" takes a back seat to the "will of the person" when the two are at odds. The State has no business in an individual's religious belief. I think this means that it should be wholly enjoined from participating in any individual's religious beliefs - be it for or against. The State cannot 'sort-of' support a set of religious beliefs without 'sort-of' trodding on another. It's got to keep it's mits out of the whole affair. It shouldn't get to teach anything religious in schools that it funds. It shouldn't give money to any organizations whose primary goal is to spread a religion. It shouldn't thrust its weight behind any religion or subset thereof. It shouldn't allow itself to be used as an outlet of any religious dogma just because a lot of people thought it would be really convenient and a good idea at the time. And of course, the above is certainly arguable opinion. Feel free to disagree. As far as Intelligent Design and Science go - it's a different discussion. ID just isn't science, and doesn't have a place in a science classroom.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
Number X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Congress is part of the federal government. Of course I am for a weak federal government in favor of strong State governments so I take a more literal interpretation of the constitution.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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My point wasn't about religion being mocked. My point was that I believe the post belonged in the soapbox and I still do. You can mock me and my beliefs in the end the price of mockery will be ultimately decided and I'm not going to comment on the price or the payee. I really don't care if you do but do it in the soapbox where it belongs. I might even come play once a year. It was not the pasta monster that bothered me it was the letter and the comments on the rest of the page (did you scroll down) that made me think it was soapy. But! Krism42, I do value the point you are making and think there is wisdom to be had there-in. I will remember it the next time my religion is mocked but I will still stand up to a post that should be soaped.:rose:
I only read cp for the articles.
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