US loses war on terror
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First Vietnam now this: Pakistan signs peace accord with N Waziristan militants. This is where Osama bin Laden is supposed to be living. Pakistan being a sovereign nation and the USA not very interested in negotiating a treaty to allow troops into their country, especially with UN rules the way they are most likely going to be able to live out their natural lives. Apparently they dealt some serious defeats to the Pakistani army. Pakistan says Bin Laden free to live there in peace[^]
**Press secretary to the president of Pakistan tells ABC Osama bin Laden will not be captured if he agrees to live 'peaceful life'** Ron Brynaert Tuesday September 5, 2006 Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan, press secretary to the president of Pakistan, tells ABC News that -- if found -- Osama bin Laden won't be arrested, as long as he promises to behave like a "peaceful citizen." "If he is in Pakistan, bin Laden 'would not be taken into custody,' Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan told ABC News in a telephone interview, 'as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen," report Brian Ross and Gretchen Peters at ABC's blog, The Blotter. "The surprising announcement comes as Pakistani army officials announced they were pulling their troops out of the North Waziristan region as part of a 'peace deal' with the Taliban," reports ABC. Pakistan will also be returning many Taliban prisoners and seized weapons. According to VOA, "security experts say Afghan insurgents and remnants of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network have managed to establish several bases in the region." Earlier today, President Bush cited Pakistan's help in working together "to stop the world's most dangerous men from getting their hands on the world's most dangerous weapons," in a speech on the global war on terror he gave in Washington, D.C. to the Military Officers Association of America. "Working with Great Britain and Pakistan and other nations, the United States shut down the world's most dangerous nuclear trading cartel, the AQ Khan network," Bush had said. "This network had supplied Iran and Libya and North Korea with equipment and know-how that advanced their efforts to obtain nuclear weapons." Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, famously known as the "father of Pakistan's nuclear program," was dismissed from his position as Science Adviser to President Musharraf in January of 2004 butFor once I agree with Fisk. Pakistan is at least as dangerous as Iran when it comes to the support for regional terror, and more so given the west doesn't want to peel back the curtain to see what is behind it. The main reason for their defeat is because understandably, the army isn't very enthusiastic about fighting their countrymen and coreligionists. All Pakistan has to do is let them kill some Shi'a now and then and carry on supporting the war in Afghanistan and they present little threat to the government. Where does much of the ideological and organisational support for UK Jehadis come? Even with the supposed cooperation of the ISI in uncovering the airliner plot, you damn well know Musharraf is playing a balancing act to keep his scrawny arse in power. Oh, and they have nukes.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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First Vietnam now this: Pakistan signs peace accord with N Waziristan militants. This is where Osama bin Laden is supposed to be living. Pakistan being a sovereign nation and the USA not very interested in negotiating a treaty to allow troops into their country, especially with UN rules the way they are most likely going to be able to live out their natural lives. Apparently they dealt some serious defeats to the Pakistani army. Pakistan says Bin Laden free to live there in peace[^]
**Press secretary to the president of Pakistan tells ABC Osama bin Laden will not be captured if he agrees to live 'peaceful life'** Ron Brynaert Tuesday September 5, 2006 Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan, press secretary to the president of Pakistan, tells ABC News that -- if found -- Osama bin Laden won't be arrested, as long as he promises to behave like a "peaceful citizen." "If he is in Pakistan, bin Laden 'would not be taken into custody,' Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan told ABC News in a telephone interview, 'as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen," report Brian Ross and Gretchen Peters at ABC's blog, The Blotter. "The surprising announcement comes as Pakistani army officials announced they were pulling their troops out of the North Waziristan region as part of a 'peace deal' with the Taliban," reports ABC. Pakistan will also be returning many Taliban prisoners and seized weapons. According to VOA, "security experts say Afghan insurgents and remnants of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network have managed to establish several bases in the region." Earlier today, President Bush cited Pakistan's help in working together "to stop the world's most dangerous men from getting their hands on the world's most dangerous weapons," in a speech on the global war on terror he gave in Washington, D.C. to the Military Officers Association of America. "Working with Great Britain and Pakistan and other nations, the United States shut down the world's most dangerous nuclear trading cartel, the AQ Khan network," Bush had said. "This network had supplied Iran and Libya and North Korea with equipment and know-how that advanced their efforts to obtain nuclear weapons." Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, famously known as the "father of Pakistan's nuclear program," was dismissed from his position as Science Adviser to President Musharraf in January of 2004 butWow, all the lefties must be very happy about that! Their tactics have succeeded again!
Thank God for disproportional force.
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First Vietnam now this: Pakistan signs peace accord with N Waziristan militants. This is where Osama bin Laden is supposed to be living. Pakistan being a sovereign nation and the USA not very interested in negotiating a treaty to allow troops into their country, especially with UN rules the way they are most likely going to be able to live out their natural lives. Apparently they dealt some serious defeats to the Pakistani army. Pakistan says Bin Laden free to live there in peace[^]
**Press secretary to the president of Pakistan tells ABC Osama bin Laden will not be captured if he agrees to live 'peaceful life'** Ron Brynaert Tuesday September 5, 2006 Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan, press secretary to the president of Pakistan, tells ABC News that -- if found -- Osama bin Laden won't be arrested, as long as he promises to behave like a "peaceful citizen." "If he is in Pakistan, bin Laden 'would not be taken into custody,' Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan told ABC News in a telephone interview, 'as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen," report Brian Ross and Gretchen Peters at ABC's blog, The Blotter. "The surprising announcement comes as Pakistani army officials announced they were pulling their troops out of the North Waziristan region as part of a 'peace deal' with the Taliban," reports ABC. Pakistan will also be returning many Taliban prisoners and seized weapons. According to VOA, "security experts say Afghan insurgents and remnants of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network have managed to establish several bases in the region." Earlier today, President Bush cited Pakistan's help in working together "to stop the world's most dangerous men from getting their hands on the world's most dangerous weapons," in a speech on the global war on terror he gave in Washington, D.C. to the Military Officers Association of America. "Working with Great Britain and Pakistan and other nations, the United States shut down the world's most dangerous nuclear trading cartel, the AQ Khan network," Bush had said. "This network had supplied Iran and Libya and North Korea with equipment and know-how that advanced their efforts to obtain nuclear weapons." Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, famously known as the "father of Pakistan's nuclear program," was dismissed from his position as Science Adviser to President Musharraf in January of 2004 butDont worry Neocons,we have similar offer for Mr.Bush if he starts living a 'peaceful' life.
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For once I agree with Fisk. Pakistan is at least as dangerous as Iran when it comes to the support for regional terror, and more so given the west doesn't want to peel back the curtain to see what is behind it. The main reason for their defeat is because understandably, the army isn't very enthusiastic about fighting their countrymen and coreligionists. All Pakistan has to do is let them kill some Shi'a now and then and carry on supporting the war in Afghanistan and they present little threat to the government. Where does much of the ideological and organisational support for UK Jehadis come? Even with the supposed cooperation of the ISI in uncovering the airliner plot, you damn well know Musharraf is playing a balancing act to keep his scrawny arse in power. Oh, and they have nukes.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Oh, and they have nukes
yay!!!:-D
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Wow, all the lefties must be very happy about that! Their tactics have succeeded again!
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Wow, all the lefties must be very happy about that! Their tactics have succeeded again!
You must have a really weak government because the leftists tactics always succeed. Or is the US government made of leftists, too? :rolleyes:
------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. "Would you like us to drop a bomb on you too? We have 10,000 of them!" - espeir "Perhaps we should lend them a nuke or two." - espeir
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First Vietnam now this: Pakistan signs peace accord with N Waziristan militants. This is where Osama bin Laden is supposed to be living. Pakistan being a sovereign nation and the USA not very interested in negotiating a treaty to allow troops into their country, especially with UN rules the way they are most likely going to be able to live out their natural lives. Apparently they dealt some serious defeats to the Pakistani army. Pakistan says Bin Laden free to live there in peace[^]
**Press secretary to the president of Pakistan tells ABC Osama bin Laden will not be captured if he agrees to live 'peaceful life'** Ron Brynaert Tuesday September 5, 2006 Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan, press secretary to the president of Pakistan, tells ABC News that -- if found -- Osama bin Laden won't be arrested, as long as he promises to behave like a "peaceful citizen." "If he is in Pakistan, bin Laden 'would not be taken into custody,' Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan told ABC News in a telephone interview, 'as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen," report Brian Ross and Gretchen Peters at ABC's blog, The Blotter. "The surprising announcement comes as Pakistani army officials announced they were pulling their troops out of the North Waziristan region as part of a 'peace deal' with the Taliban," reports ABC. Pakistan will also be returning many Taliban prisoners and seized weapons. According to VOA, "security experts say Afghan insurgents and remnants of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network have managed to establish several bases in the region." Earlier today, President Bush cited Pakistan's help in working together "to stop the world's most dangerous men from getting their hands on the world's most dangerous weapons," in a speech on the global war on terror he gave in Washington, D.C. to the Military Officers Association of America. "Working with Great Britain and Pakistan and other nations, the United States shut down the world's most dangerous nuclear trading cartel, the AQ Khan network," Bush had said. "This network had supplied Iran and Libya and North Korea with equipment and know-how that advanced their efforts to obtain nuclear weapons." Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, famously known as the "father of Pakistan's nuclear program," was dismissed from his position as Science Adviser to President Musharraf in January of 2004 butPakistan Denies Bin Laden Gets a Pass[^]
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Your obviously in denial. The next stage is anger I think. That should be a sight. :laugh:
A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
-H.L. MenckenJWood wrote:
Your obviously in denial.
I'm afraid that your leftist, anti-American fantasy has not quite come true. But thank you for demonstrating that some wacko statement of one Pakistani indicates to you that the "US loses war on terror". You're obviously way past the anger stage.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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Except for more than 2,000 US soldiers killed in Iraq... Sorry, my scarasm detector had overloaded and I didn't notice :laugh:
Trollslayer wrote:
my scarasm detector had overloaded
or the 40,000 deaths in the USA, 3,400 inthe UK[^]
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Except for more than 2,000 US soldiers killed in Iraq... Sorry, my scarasm detector had overloaded and I didn't notice :laugh:
Which isn't that much more than the us army attrition rate in peacetime (over 1000 a year). Coalition casualties are not the problem, inability to stop spiraling chaos is.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Wow, all the lefties must be very happy about that! Their tactics have succeeded again!
You must have a really weak government because the leftists tactics always succeed. Or is the US government made of leftists, too? :rolleyes:
------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. "Would you like us to drop a bomb on you too? We have 10,000 of them!" - espeir "Perhaps we should lend them a nuke or two." - espeir
The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad. My concern now is that we're going to see violent insurgencies within the US based upon false claims of voter fraud. That's been the overall trend within the past few years. Freedom is under attack on all sides.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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but but but there's still iraq we're winning there aren't we why just yesterday the #2 man of al-qaida in iraq was captured thus dealing a fatal blow to the insurgency and didn't we recently kill 200 taliban in afghanistan and after all there's been no attack in the u.s. for five years because we're fighting them there to train them to fight here etc etc etc
Apparently the AlQadia brand is too strong for this (or any) administration to pass up. It was absorbed into a larger organization, which is never mentioned in press releases. There are larger organizations that are doing quite a bit of damage directly to the war machine of the invading army, yet they are practically unmentioned (apparently no name recognition by the average Joe). I too noticed the recent spike in ‘good news’ releases and optimistic analysis (by staying the course things will almost be under control). Back in the real world....
Recitation(not full prayer)in AlMasjid AlHaram Surah AlHaaqa(The Reality) Surah Qaf Eid Alfitr Turning Muslim in Texas?
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Pakistan Denies Bin Laden Gets a Pass[^]
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
"If someone is found there, we will see what is to be done," General Sultan said today. Well, at least the Pakistanis have a clear plan as to what they would do if bin Laden, or someone, was found within their borders. Because a fella like that doesn't deserve any kind of special consideration. The good thing is that the US can drop the awkward relationship with Pakistan.
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad. My concern now is that we're going to see violent insurgencies within the US based upon false claims of voter fraud. That's been the overall trend within the past few years. Freedom is under attack on all sides.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
espeir wrote:
The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad.
blah, blah, blah.
espeir wrote:
false claims of voter fraud.
False claims by republicans[^] Again[^]
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad. My concern now is that we're going to see violent insurgencies within the US based upon false claims of voter fraud. That's been the overall trend within the past few years. Freedom is under attack on all sides.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
espeir wrote:
The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad. My concern now is that we're going to see violent insurgencies within the US based upon false claims of voter fraud. That's been the overall trend within the past few years. Freedom is under attack on all sides.
I blame Bush.
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
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Trollslayer wrote:
my scarasm detector had overloaded
or the 40,000 deaths in the USA, 3,400 inthe UK[^]
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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espeir wrote:
The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad. My concern now is that we're going to see violent insurgencies within the US based upon false claims of voter fraud. That's been the overall trend within the past few years. Freedom is under attack on all sides.
I blame Bush.
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
I know.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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espeir wrote:
The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad.
blah, blah, blah.
espeir wrote:
false claims of voter fraud.
False claims by republicans[^] Again[^]
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
False claims by republicans[^]
Uhhh...I really suggest you read your links. I've not heard of this insignificant local election, but your link states that there was proven voter fraud and proven errors that heavily favored Democrats. The judge simply decided to ignore that.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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dennisd45 wrote:
False claims by republicans[^]
Uhhh...I really suggest you read your links. I've not heard of this insignificant local election, but your link states that there was proven voter fraud and proven errors that heavily favored Democrats. The judge simply decided to ignore that.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
I did read the articles.
espeir wrote:
proven voter fraud and proven errors that heavily favored Democrats. The judge simply decided to ignore that.
It says no such thing. I think that it is you who needs to read the articles.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Wow, all the lefties must be very happy about that! Their tactics have succeeded again!
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Wow, all the lefties must be very happy about that!
Yes yes.... the leftists of the US support terrorism and Al Qaeda, why just yesterday I sent them a batch of brownies enriched with uranium.... the sky is falling, the sky is falling! :rolleyes: Your leftist hysteria along with the others in the Soapbox is worthless. :zzz:
"Alot of the people on this forum are incredibly stupid, thinking that the internet is real"
Score: 1.0 in the Soap Boxled mike
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espeir wrote:
The left in the US is, like Muslim extremists, basically unhappy with our freedom and Democracy. They prefer power and don't have it. As such, they're waging a rather brutal propaganda war against the US. It's really pretty sad. My concern now is that we're going to see violent insurgencies within the US based upon false claims of voter fraud. That's been the overall trend within the past few years. Freedom is under attack on all sides.
I blame Bush.
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas