Would you accepting me?
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Hmmm, good point. You did not actually say I was, but am talking like one. Some would say there's not a lot of difference, but I will accept it. Therefore, your apology is unwarranted and unacceptable. Return to sender. :-D
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
You did not actually say I was, but am talking like one.
The fact that I said that you were talking like one proves that I personally don't think you as one.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Therefore, your apology is unwarranted and unacceptable. Return to sender.
Okay, thanks. This is the first time a post of mine is being returned in this manner though :-)
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It means weakens the concept of God. Which came first, these Gods or the space that they occupy? If not space, then thoughts, beings, whatever? My other acceptable belief is that the universe is God and we are all part of it. But that also implies oneness. Ummmmmm.
"I know which side I want to win regardless of how many wrongs they have to commit to achieve it." - Stan Shannon
I agree there - the concept of a single god is easier to digest than that of multiple god entities. People always think about hierarchy - so they'd want to know who's more powerful, or who'd win a fist fight :-)
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ahz wrote:
yeah that does seem funny, but I hear Islamists/muslims saying that their god is the same as the Jews/Christians. And Jews and Christians say they have the same God too. So it does all seem incomprehensible that there could be so much division and strife.
Much of the debate hinges on who the Messiah is, not whether there is a God or not. A lot of folks believe there is a God, but only Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he died for our sins.
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DavidCrow wrote:
but only Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he died for our sins.
yeah, sure. I'm aware of that, too.
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What would you think of a christian reading the koran?
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Hello I know some!! I've read many parts of the bible. So what??
Regards:rose:
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Hello Thanks for your reply Ahz. Yet I still hope that one day you'd remove any suspicion in your heart about the innocence of muslims and Islam. Maybe we would meet one day then we would get to know each other. Who knows?
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Yet I still hope that one day you'd remove any suspicion in your heart about the innocence of muslims and Islam.
That will happen when I see muslims stop excusing and appologizing for the terrorists when they say "can you blame them when such-and-so happens?" It's a form of support for the terrorists.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Maybe we would meet one day then we would get to know each other.
You seem like a reasonable, likeable person. I'm sure while we may disagree on certain points, I'm sure there's much more we'd have in common to celebrate.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Hello I know some!! I've read many parts of the bible. So what??
Regards:rose:
I'm curious about "moderate muslim" belief concerning pasages in the Koran that call for violence against Christians/Jews/Unbelievers... Are these considered pasages that were inserted by extremists? Are they just ignored as non-applicable in this day and age? I claim no knowledge of the Koran besides having seen quotes pertaining to this...
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I'm curious about "moderate muslim" belief concerning pasages in the Koran that call for violence against Christians/Jews/Unbelievers... Are these considered pasages that were inserted by extremists? Are they just ignored as non-applicable in this day and age? I claim no knowledge of the Koran besides having seen quotes pertaining to this...
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nadiric wrote:
pasages in the Koran that call for violence against Christians/Jews/Unbelievers...
There are no such verses in Koran. If you have something specific, send it to me and I'd be happy to explain what it means. If you mean verses talking about Jihad, you got it all wrong!! These are verse about our holy war -and each religion has its holy war, crusades thing-.Jihad is between armies and never against civilians. When one of the muslim armies where sent to fight a nearby enmy at our prophet's time he said the main rules of jihad -which are forgotten by many of the idiots who claim to be in jihad. petty!!-. Our prophet said:
"Don't kill a woman, child, or an old man... Don't cut a tree, and keep away from temples and monks"
Did you notice the temples and monks phrase?? They are not even of our religion and they are never at target in jihad, unless of course monks were fighting in the battlefield, only then they will be worriors.
nadiric wrote:
Are these considered pasages that were inserted by extremists?
Nope!! Our Quran is literally the same as it was revealed to our prophet from God by Gabriel -AKA holy ghost-. No offence to christians as I think they believe differently about Gabriel, but you asked me about my beliefs!! So, phrases you hear about in Quran -especially in english and non-arabic translations- usually carry meanings by far more than many would expect. You may think a verse is calling for something but when you read more and study the Quran you would understand what it really means. Quran is a science and must be studied before someone claims this verse means so and so!!
nadiric wrote:
Are they just ignored as non-applicable in this day and age?
Nope!! Nothing is ignored in the Quran. Each litter has a meaning and a purpose.. Again the arabic language carries much more meanings than english translations. That's why you must study Quran in arabic if you really want to be a scientist -or as you call our scientists: Imam-. Unfortunetaly as I stated in an earlier post, some less educated muslims -as other less educated members of any society- sometimes screw things up. That doesn't mean that the Quran is a puzzle or a mystry! The Quran has many verses that talks to the spirit and psychology of a person including how to tret youself/wife/family/society and how to be
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ahz wrote:
I think he is being rational, very rational.
Doesn't seem that way to me.
ahz wrote:
And you're being very judgmental and name-calling.
Judgmental, perhaps - we all do that when trying to interpret someone else. But I don't see where I indulged in name-calling.
ahz wrote:
First if you define god as an all-powerful being, and then say there is more than one god, then there must needds be a "head" god and that head god would naturally be the more powerful one, more powerful than all the rest.
That's flawed logic. Why should an all-powerful entity be one? Why can't it be a fusion of 10 separate entities - that together become the strongest force in the world? I don't see why most god-believers decide that they can not only decide that there's a god entity, but also define the rules for how that god entity should be like.
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but you live in belgium and have obviously adopted belgese ways. I can smell you from *here*! LOL.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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I'm curious about "moderate muslim" belief concerning pasages in the Koran that call for violence against Christians/Jews/Unbelievers... Are these considered pasages that were inserted by extremists? Are they just ignored as non-applicable in this day and age? I claim no knowledge of the Koran besides having seen quotes pertaining to this...
nadiric wrote:
violence against Christians/Jews/Unbelievers
I'm not a muslim, I am barely christian, but I have rwad the koran and it absoloutely sataes that Muslim, Jew and Christian must not fight. Look for 'people of the book' in thr index of a copy of the koran, it is the term used for these religions. As for infidels, the unbelievers, yes, it does advocate violebce. It also advocates cutting hands and feet from alternate side for people who 'disrupt' society, and cutting hands off thieves. (OK, US states also kill people for crimes, so we cant criticise Islam too much on this point)
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