PM or Developer
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Is that necessary for a developer to be a project manager when he acquires enough experience and When Money beating the post ? It happpens in US where you can find a software engineer having above 15 years of experience and still at the development side. My sincere opinion I love coding. But not ruled by any :)
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Is that necessary for a developer to be a project manager when he acquires enough experience and When Money beating the post ? It happpens in US where you can find a software engineer having above 15 years of experience and still at the development side. My sincere opinion I love coding. But not ruled by any :)
Until recently at the company I work for, a developer, once he reached a certain point either got stuck there or switched to management. They've recently come up with an "Experts" track where you sort of become an internal consultant, stay technical, but can still move up. Some places have it, some don't. Joe Q
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Until recently at the company I work for, a developer, once he reached a certain point either got stuck there or switched to management. They've recently come up with an "Experts" track where you sort of become an internal consultant, stay technical, but can still move up. Some places have it, some don't. Joe Q
I do agree with that. If fellow employees getting promotion and you stuck with what you are doing. That would affect more than you not getting promoted. Switching jobs doesnt solve either, Companies dont give the responsibilty unless you acquired that before joining them. hmmm ....
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Is that necessary for a developer to be a project manager when he acquires enough experience and When Money beating the post ? It happpens in US where you can find a software engineer having above 15 years of experience and still at the development side. My sincere opinion I love coding. But not ruled by any :)
IT suffers as badly from the Peters principle[^] as any other discipline...
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IT suffers as badly from the Peters principle[^] as any other discipline...
'--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
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Is that necessary for a developer to be a project manager when he acquires enough experience and When Money beating the post ? It happpens in US where you can find a software engineer having above 15 years of experience and still at the development side. My sincere opinion I love coding. But not ruled by any :)
My company tends to promote technically junior to intermediate level people to lead a project. I can think of two possible reasons: 1) Junior people are more willing to lead. 2) Managers above are more willing to deal with junior guys. A PM demands 50% technical competence and 50% inter-personal skills, which may explain why not every senior developer makes a good PM. Anyway, I think a company should provide two career development paths: management and technical. Through either one, employees should be able to fully develop and maximize their potentials.
Best, Jun
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Is that necessary for a developer to be a project manager when he acquires enough experience and When Money beating the post ? It happpens in US where you can find a software engineer having above 15 years of experience and still at the development side. My sincere opinion I love coding. But not ruled by any :)
I prefer being a programmer to being in management.
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Is that necessary for a developer to be a project manager when he acquires enough experience and When Money beating the post ? It happpens in US where you can find a software engineer having above 15 years of experience and still at the development side. My sincere opinion I love coding. But not ruled by any :)
Sreenath Madyastha wrote:
It happpens in US where you can find a software engineer having above 15 years of experience and still at the development side.
The question should be is the developer qualified to manage. I've been in engineering (software and hardware) for a long time now and some of the absolute worst PMs I've ran into either a) Had no only an MBA that qualified them. Or b) Were promoted engineers that had no qualifications. Also, I don't see why highly skilled and seasoned engineers would have take management as the next step in their career. I find it an odd kind of ageism in software. In hardware engineering you kill to get the more seasoned guys on your team as they bring great insight and experience
Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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I know back when technical people would be put into managment positions the result is usually pretty bad. Some very good technical people suck at managing. That's why this company came up with the technical career ladder.
The best tech ladder I have run into is TI's. At least whe I worked there,they valued their tech people and provided lots of traing and learning opportunities.
Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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The best tech ladder I have run into is TI's. At least whe I worked there,they valued their tech people and provided lots of traing and learning opportunities.
Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote:
The best tech ladder I have run into is TI's. At least whe I worked there,they valued their tech people and provided lots of traing and learning opportunities.
We tried to model ours after TI with the "fellows". I don't think we've implimented it as well as they have. It has worked in some cases and in some cases the reasoning to make a person a "fellow" was that he's been here his whole career and he's at the top of his labor band. Not that he was a step above the rest or even that he was qualified. In the past few years we've started to get the training we need which is good.
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I know back when technical people would be put into managment positions the result is usually pretty bad. Some very good technical people suck at managing. That's why this company came up with the technical career ladder.
Odd - I have exactly the opposite experience. Every great company I've worked for was run by engineers, and all went out of business when the management went to accountants and MBAs. True, few technical people have the skills and personalities to be effective managers, and it's a lucky company to have a few. But no non-technical manager is competent to run a tech company, and all are doomed to fail miserably.
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Until recently at the company I work for, a developer, once he reached a certain point either got stuck there or switched to management. They've recently come up with an "Experts" track where you sort of become an internal consultant, stay technical, but can still move up. Some places have it, some don't. Joe Q
IMHO, I believe a fork appears in your carreer path every five years, and it's at this fork you have to decide which path you want to take, The first fork comes, after your first 5 years in, where you have to choose Team Leader/ or Senior Developer. On the flip side, if you are in a position where no changes come at all, it's time to make a change. I tend to disagree with the point of making somebody who is very experienced at coding, and then asking him to do Project Manager job, I don't think this is a good move, I have done this move before, although it was successful project, I felt I have failed, as I was thrown in the deepend, and had no frame of reference to put on project managment, I feel there is a world of difference, in managing your own project, where you manage your own time to meet a pre defined deadline, but it is different ball game to actual project managment, as it requires a different skill set, interfacing with other human beings on a regular basis, can be exceptionally hard for an experienced developer! Thats my 2c Spend it how you wish:cool:
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Odd - I have exactly the opposite experience. Every great company I've worked for was run by engineers, and all went out of business when the management went to accountants and MBAs. True, few technical people have the skills and personalities to be effective managers, and it's a lucky company to have a few. But no non-technical manager is competent to run a tech company, and all are doomed to fail miserably.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
It could be that, from the company I work for, the really good engineers left because of no career path up. The mediocre engineers stayed to be managers. Most every manager I've worked for that was an engineer took the wrong qualities into management. "My way is the right way, so do it my may" (he wouldn't tell me what his way was) "everything has to be perfect [in my eyes] before we ship" (it wasn't perfect becasue he wanted different colors, not the colors the customer wanted), Deviations from "their" way were wrong. Or, once they became managers they took on the bad traits of management. "You don't need the [schedule, information, etc.] it will only distract you from your job." "I didn't talk to you about the direction change so I would have something to put on your performance review" "You're not a team player if you don't work the weekend" on my now ex-wife's birthday weekend. I have had two good engineer/managers while I was here, but they left within a year after getting the positions. All the quotes above are true (with some editorializing from me) and have been made to me. BTW, I stay here because it pays well and it’s stable work. I’m a single dad and I want the stability until my kids get out of the house. Sorry about the Rant Joe
