Minimum Wage
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Man, Red, you have become very bitter the last couple of days. I wonder what has happened in the US to make you so bitter..... ;);)
Wow...It sure does choke the left up to see that I'm not bitter at all and that I actually endorse Democracy. That's probably the 3rd time I've been called "bitter" for criticising leftist ideology since (something I consistently do) since the election. This is how it works... Me: Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for. Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
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bwhittington wrote:
I certainly won't be getting a raise because of this. If costs of buying goods and services goes up enough, the minimum wage will account for nothing and it would also hurt me in that it now costs me more to maintain my lifestyle.
But don't you understand? Of course you will be hurt, but only an evil capitalist bastard would feel bad about enduring a little pain so that unskilled teenagers and illegal aliens can earn far more than they are actually worth. Its known as "redistribution of wealth" or "taking from those who have and giving it to those who need". But please don't confuse this with Marxism which is completely different because ... well because it just is. And besides, the more you are hurt economically, the more help you will need from the government to get by. Thus you become even more dependent upon the Government right along with all those unskilled teenagers and illegal aliens, which has got to be a good thing, right?
Thank God for disproportional force.
I actually appreciate your sentiment, although not agreeing 100%, and I think a minimum wage is a pretty good idea in the US. AFAIK the US job market works very differently from many other countries meaning that a minimum wage is needed as not to drive a lot of people into poverty. For instance many countries, which I'm sure you would label as socialistic or whatever, like Sweden, Finland and my own country, Denmark, has no minimum wages! Instead all labor related issues are agreed upon by unions and employer groups. And to be honest I think it works pretty sweet. -- modified at 11:59 Thursday 9th November, 2006
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Wow...It sure does choke the left up to see that I'm not bitter at all and that I actually endorse Democracy. That's probably the 3rd time I've been called "bitter" for criticising leftist ideology since (something I consistently do) since the election. This is how it works... Me: Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for. Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
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Wow...It sure does choke the left up to see that I'm not bitter at all and that I actually endorse Democracy. That's probably the 3rd time I've been called "bitter" for criticising leftist ideology since (something I consistently do) since the election. This is how it works... Me: Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for. Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
Red, are you calling Stan a leftist? :eek:
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Wow...It sure does choke the left up to see that I'm not bitter at all and that I actually endorse Democracy. That's probably the 3rd time I've been called "bitter" for criticising leftist ideology since (something I consistently do) since the election. This is how it works... Me: Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for. Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
Red Stateler wrote:
Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
BTW this seems very much like the opinion held by the US administration when the election in the Palastine area didn't give the government hoped for by Bush & Co.
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Cmon, you're smarter than that
No, he's really not.
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I actually appreciate your sentiment, although not agreeing 100%, and I think a minimum wage is a pretty good idea in the US. AFAIK the US job market works very differently from many other countries meaning that a minimum wage is needed as not to drive a lot of people into poverty. For instance many countries, which I'm sure you would label as socialistic or whatever, like Sweden, Finland and my own country, Denmark, has no minimum wages! Instead all labor related issues are agreed upon by unions and employer groups. And to be honest I think it works pretty sweet. -- modified at 11:59 Thursday 9th November, 2006
Rohde wrote:
AFAIK the US job market works very different from many other countries meaning that a minimum wage is needed as not to drive a lot of people into poverty. For instance many countries, which I'm sure you would label as socialistic or whatever, like Sweden, Finland and my own country, Denmark, has no minimum wages, instead all labor related issues are agreed upon by unions and employer groups. And to be honest I think it works pretty sweet.
:confused: Canada is more socialist than the US and there is a minimum wage. There is also a minimum wage in Switzerland...
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Wow...It sure does choke the left up to see that I'm not bitter at all and that I actually endorse Democracy. That's probably the 3rd time I've been called "bitter" for criticising leftist ideology since (something I consistently do) since the election. This is how it works... Me: Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for. Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
Red Stateler wrote:
Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for.
You're a better man than me, I'd throw democracy out in a heart beat to be shed of these leftist bastards - just as they do to be shed of us. Its time to start playing the game the way they like to play it, by their rules and damn the consequencies.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
BTW this seems very much like the opinion held by the US administration when the election in the Palastine area didn't give the government hoped for by Bush & Co.
Rohde wrote:
BTW this seems very much like the opinion held by the US administration when the election in the Palastine area didn't give the government hoped for by Bush & Co.
Are you saying that the US doesn't appreciate democracy? Tell me, can you print cartoons in Denmark yet, or are they still oppressing your free speech?
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No, he's really not.
Damn you stole my line!
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bwhittington wrote:
why is raising minimum wage is good
Because the closer it gets the the average income, the closer you are to the socialist ideal. It's as simple as that.
Red Stateler wrote:
It's as simple as that.
No, you're as simple as that.
"When your argument falls apart...resort to name-calling."
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxWhereas "liberal" is just a moron.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the Soapboxtypical left-wing pseudo-intellectual crackpot
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxYour logic is really really bad.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxI'm kind of incoherent today.
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Rohde wrote:
AFAIK the US job market works very different from many other countries meaning that a minimum wage is needed as not to drive a lot of people into poverty. For instance many countries, which I'm sure you would label as socialistic or whatever, like Sweden, Finland and my own country, Denmark, has no minimum wages, instead all labor related issues are agreed upon by unions and employer groups. And to be honest I think it works pretty sweet.
:confused: Canada is more socialist than the US and there is a minimum wage. There is also a minimum wage in Switzerland...
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Wow...It sure does choke the left up to see that I'm not bitter at all and that I actually endorse Democracy. That's probably the 3rd time I've been called "bitter" for criticising leftist ideology since (something I consistently do) since the election. This is how it works... Me: Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for. Leftists: Bitter (and contentious) when their ideology loses but happy when it wins because they disregard Democracy and believe that their way should win regardless of the will of the people.
Red Stateler wrote:
Me: Not bitter when my ideology wins or loses because I'm pro-Democracy and believe the country rightly gets what it votes for.
Good for you. As Stan says "you are a better man than him" so at least you have that going for you. :-D
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Yes, and? I'm simply saying a minimum wage isn't the only way to achieve the goal of not driving a huge group of people into poverty, and it's probably not the bets way either IMO.
But they're all paths to the same goal...a complete elimination of economic disparity between individuals.
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Rohde wrote:
BTW this seems very much like the opinion held by the US administration when the election in the Palastine area didn't give the government hoped for by Bush & Co.
Are you saying that the US doesn't appreciate democracy? Tell me, can you print cartoons in Denmark yet, or are they still oppressing your free speech?
All I'm saying is that Red's argumentation is simplistic at best. The US administration was very much not happy by the outcome of the Palistinian election - actually they pretty much reacted as Red's caricature of "the leftist monster". This also goes to a certain degree for the EU as well.
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Yes, and? I'm simply saying a minimum wage isn't the only way to achieve the goal of not driving a huge group of people into poverty, and it's probably not the bets way either IMO.
I thought you were suggesting socialist countries didn't have minimum wage. Now I see you were not.
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All I'm saying is that Red's argumentation is simplistic at best. The US administration was very much not happy by the outcome of the Palistinian election - actually they pretty much reacted as Red's caricature of "the leftist monster". This also goes to a certain degree for the EU as well.
Rohde wrote:
All I'm saying is that Red's argumentation is simplistic at best. The US administration was very much not happy by the outcome of the Palistinian election - actually they pretty much reacted as Red's caricature of "the leftist monster". This also goes to a certain degree for the EU as well.
It wasn't just the US that reacted to the elections in Palestine. Many countries withdrew funding and for good reason. The current government in Palestine wants to destroy Isreal. The withdrawing of the funding was not so much acting against the democratic elections, but rather a protest of the violent ideology that Hamas promotes.
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All I'm saying is that Red's argumentation is simplistic at best. The US administration was very much not happy by the outcome of the Palistinian election - actually they pretty much reacted as Red's caricature of "the leftist monster". This also goes to a certain degree for the EU as well.
And did the US go in and overthrow that Democracy? No, it didn't. Just because the collective opinion of a group of people is at odds with our own does not mean we implicitely oppose Democracy. It means that we oppose terrorist groups whether elected or not. Ironically, you're the one who has been critical of our elected officials (even though you don't live here) while endorsing such things as war crime tribunals for them. That's hardly pro-Democratic, now is it?
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But they're all paths to the same goal...a complete elimination of economic disparity between individuals.
Well, I neither believe nor like the idea of a society of "the averages" as it seems from time to time the "pure socialists" want (I'm quoting pure socialists here because relative to my domestic political scene I don't consider myself socialist, but relative to the US scene I probably would be considered as such, or at least a right-leaning democrat). On the other hand I do believe it'll be too expensive for a society in the long rung to simply let the capitalistic market run it all. A balance is needed I feel.
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Cmon, you're smarter than that
He's not. Anything that has a close resemblance to improving the poor people lifestyle is socialism to him.
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