When should I choose Windows application or Console application?
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Rilhas wrote:
Well, I do believe now that you lack the brain capacity to understand your mistakes.
Look, insults from a child don't really get on my nerves. Although you not listening does. But, whatever I'm sure you have paint to sniff so I won't keep you waiting too much longer with this post.
Rilhas wrote:
I don't think you can learn anything new until you retrace your steps and try the Win32 application that can serve as a console substitute.
This is pathetic. For one, both MFC and direct Win32 are capable of much of the same things. The pathetic part is I NEVER SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THESE LINES IN THE FIRST PLACE. Did you catch that, or would you prefer to not read it AGAIN. Quit being stubborn and think. You, the newbie having no idea what is being talked about, arguing with someone who is NOT a newbie and who in all likelihood knows way more about programming than you. Just think about that for a bit. Then, stop arguing and start reading.
Rilhas wrote:
Ididn't say without a window... I meant without an interface taking the remainder of the context: a text interface. I don't think my English failed there, your brain just wasn't able to pick up on the context.
Your context suggested it was in comparison to a mainframe windows in MFC, and later switched to a dialog. Not to mention you used the terms and the term "window" throughout the remainder of this thread interchangeably. But hey, don't let me stop you from acting like a fool.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
You don't know how old I am. You say insults don't offend you, but your reaction just states otherwise. And it was not an insult, was the observation of a fact. I did read it. You keep saying the same. When will you admit that MFC is a better alternative to console than Win32? Never? Ok, just keep arguing. I'm not a newbie. You insist on the very same mistake, and that teaches me a lot about you. You should have, at least, searched the web for my name and you would have found a lot of high-technology telecom systems and image processing algorithms developed by me (and mny more). Ignorance does not make you look good, no matter what your friends tell you. Your name, on the other hand, hit more on this forum. Probably means you say a lot but acomplish far less. Yes, I used the term window. Dialog appeared especially when pointing out compilation erros. You didn't comment on that either, you just talk, you don't solve problems. Dialog and window are confusing terms to you? Well, they souldn't. And you should feel confused if I used them interchangeably... especially since I also mentioned buttons and text boxes. I'm the one still waiting to hear from you defend that MFC is not closer to CON than WIN32. You talk and talk and talk, but the fact is you should have kept your first correction to my post all to yourself. Now you just try to get out gracefully and that is pitiful and impossible. I have some time to spare now, so no rpblem for me.
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Rilhas wrote:
MFC is easier (than Win32). This is the point. You missed it, argued wrong, and then didn't find a way to come back gracefully.
You are one stubborn fool. What part of I never even bothered to address this point did you not get? And this time actually answer the question to prove you're even bothering to read my posts.
Rilhas wrote:
MFC is easier (than Win32). This is the point. You missed it
That's nice. Enjoy your stay at the "I hate to listen" club.
Rilhas wrote:
I'm not a beginner. Probably much more experienced than you and in many more areas. You just don't know, but you think you do.
If you're not a beginner then you're a slow learner. And after this thread, I can believe it.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
Your correction to my post. This is the reason why. You missed the point and argued I was misleading. Is this enough for you to understand now? I'm listening: what exactly have you said about this? Nothing. Still nothing. I sure would like to read you say that MFC is, in fact, almost as easy as CON, and Win32 is much harder (to use as CON). I'm still waiting. But you avoid a position on this. Of course, because if you said so then you would have to admit that your fisrt correction was out-of-place... and that it lost focus and missed the point. Maybe you could even say something like "What I wrote is true, but I now understand that it doesn't address your comments and that you were not being misleading... I just didn't understand what you meant right away". Should I wait sitting down? Enjoy your stay at the "I hate to speak" club. I'm not a slow learner. But I'm a good learner. I typically don't throw myself inside large big holes on the ground like you did I try to crawl out still trying to look good.
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You don't know how old I am. You say insults don't offend you, but your reaction just states otherwise. And it was not an insult, was the observation of a fact. I did read it. You keep saying the same. When will you admit that MFC is a better alternative to console than Win32? Never? Ok, just keep arguing. I'm not a newbie. You insist on the very same mistake, and that teaches me a lot about you. You should have, at least, searched the web for my name and you would have found a lot of high-technology telecom systems and image processing algorithms developed by me (and mny more). Ignorance does not make you look good, no matter what your friends tell you. Your name, on the other hand, hit more on this forum. Probably means you say a lot but acomplish far less. Yes, I used the term window. Dialog appeared especially when pointing out compilation erros. You didn't comment on that either, you just talk, you don't solve problems. Dialog and window are confusing terms to you? Well, they souldn't. And you should feel confused if I used them interchangeably... especially since I also mentioned buttons and text boxes. I'm the one still waiting to hear from you defend that MFC is not closer to CON than WIN32. You talk and talk and talk, but the fact is you should have kept your first correction to my post all to yourself. Now you just try to get out gracefully and that is pitiful and impossible. I have some time to spare now, so no rpblem for me.
Rilhas wrote:
You don't know how old I am. You say insults don't offend you, but your reaction just states otherwise. And it was not an insult, was the observation of a fact.
I wasn't referring to your age, rather your mentality.
Rilhas wrote:
I did read it. You keep saying the same. When will you admit that MFC is a better alternative to console than Win32? Never? Ok, just keep arguing.
When will you admit you have a comprehension problem?
Rilhas wrote:
Yes, I used the term window. Dialog appeared especially when pointing out compilation erros. You didn't comment on that either, you just talk, you don't solve problems. Dialog and window are confusing terms to you? Well, they souldn't. And you should feel confused if I used them interchangeably... especially since I also mentioned buttons and text boxes.
Oh, so now you're pulling a 180 just to argue? And for you not being a newbie I find it rather amusing you get compilation errors from a wizard generated project.
Rilhas wrote:
I'm the one still waiting to hear from you defend that MFC is not closer to CON than WIN32.
For starters, your comparison of the two is retarded in the first place and only shows your ignorance. Nevertheless, this wasn't what I was talking about. The fact you choose not to listen really only means you want to argue, probably because you have no life and are bored.
Rilhas wrote:
I have some time to spare now, so no rpblem for me.
Yup, looks like I was right. Get a hobby.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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Your correction to my post. This is the reason why. You missed the point and argued I was misleading. Is this enough for you to understand now? I'm listening: what exactly have you said about this? Nothing. Still nothing. I sure would like to read you say that MFC is, in fact, almost as easy as CON, and Win32 is much harder (to use as CON). I'm still waiting. But you avoid a position on this. Of course, because if you said so then you would have to admit that your fisrt correction was out-of-place... and that it lost focus and missed the point. Maybe you could even say something like "What I wrote is true, but I now understand that it doesn't address your comments and that you were not being misleading... I just didn't understand what you meant right away". Should I wait sitting down? Enjoy your stay at the "I hate to speak" club. I'm not a slow learner. But I'm a good learner. I typically don't throw myself inside large big holes on the ground like you did I try to crawl out still trying to look good.
Rilhas wrote:
Your correction to my post. This is the reason why. You missed the point and argued I was misleading. Is this enough for you to understand now?
If that's your answer to my question you really do have comprehension issues. You say something inaccurate, I say it's wrong. You get an get pissed off all you want to about it, but the more you talk the more I realize you are one stubborn person that likes to argue when bored.
Rilhas wrote:
I'm listening: what exactly have you said about this? Nothing. Still nothing.
EXACTLY MY DAMN POINT! Which means your arguing about it is retarded. Nevertheless, your claim is stupid, but we'll have to deal with one thing about a time because of your learning disability.
Rilhas wrote:
Enjoy your stay at the "I hate to speak" club.
Wow, one point for originality there. :rolleyes:
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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Rilhas wrote:
You don't know how old I am. You say insults don't offend you, but your reaction just states otherwise. And it was not an insult, was the observation of a fact.
I wasn't referring to your age, rather your mentality.
Rilhas wrote:
I did read it. You keep saying the same. When will you admit that MFC is a better alternative to console than Win32? Never? Ok, just keep arguing.
When will you admit you have a comprehension problem?
Rilhas wrote:
Yes, I used the term window. Dialog appeared especially when pointing out compilation erros. You didn't comment on that either, you just talk, you don't solve problems. Dialog and window are confusing terms to you? Well, they souldn't. And you should feel confused if I used them interchangeably... especially since I also mentioned buttons and text boxes.
Oh, so now you're pulling a 180 just to argue? And for you not being a newbie I find it rather amusing you get compilation errors from a wizard generated project.
Rilhas wrote:
I'm the one still waiting to hear from you defend that MFC is not closer to CON than WIN32.
For starters, your comparison of the two is retarded in the first place and only shows your ignorance. Nevertheless, this wasn't what I was talking about. The fact you choose not to listen really only means you want to argue, probably because you have no life and are bored.
Rilhas wrote:
I have some time to spare now, so no rpblem for me.
Yup, looks like I was right. Get a hobby.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
My mentality? That of a child? That was insightful. Thanks. So you will not admit? Is that your quick intelligent answer? I was hopping for something more along the lines "I will admit MFC is a good alternative to CON when you admit that Win32 can have a graphical interface built by the wizard". But no: your great comeback is about my comprehension problem? He he he! That just made me laugh. You think that comment looks good on you? You realize that that is the same as admiting you should have been quiet from the start, don't you? No, no 180. I wrote that Win32 as a CDialog missing, typically, when you use the resource editor to try and create a button in a dialog. Why do you think this is a 180? I don't see where you note the change... I guess you are trying to confuse me, you succeeded. Maybe 180 is not the same as in Portuguese. 180=PI/2? Then I'm sorry to disapoint you, no 180 here. Major mistake on your part. The errors don't apear when compiling the Win32 skeleton. You think they did? And you thought that was my fault? That is consistent with the rest of the things you think you know. No, the errors appear when you manually try to add a resource with a button. Maybe you have a special technique, I'm all ears. The comparison is not retarded. I can prove it to you. Do you want me to teach you how to do a printf and scanf in an MFC (windowed) application in about 10 extra short lines? If you think that is retarded it just goes to show that 1) you have a lot to learn, and 2) you missed the point. But, of course, you don't need proof. You're just saying that because you think it makes you look smart. Yes, I have a life. But it is 12AM here (almost time for bed), and my computer is near the TV. So I just comment away, don't worry about me. Again: you think you know, but you just guessed wrong. You do that a lot, don't you?
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My mentality? That of a child? That was insightful. Thanks. So you will not admit? Is that your quick intelligent answer? I was hopping for something more along the lines "I will admit MFC is a good alternative to CON when you admit that Win32 can have a graphical interface built by the wizard". But no: your great comeback is about my comprehension problem? He he he! That just made me laugh. You think that comment looks good on you? You realize that that is the same as admiting you should have been quiet from the start, don't you? No, no 180. I wrote that Win32 as a CDialog missing, typically, when you use the resource editor to try and create a button in a dialog. Why do you think this is a 180? I don't see where you note the change... I guess you are trying to confuse me, you succeeded. Maybe 180 is not the same as in Portuguese. 180=PI/2? Then I'm sorry to disapoint you, no 180 here. Major mistake on your part. The errors don't apear when compiling the Win32 skeleton. You think they did? And you thought that was my fault? That is consistent with the rest of the things you think you know. No, the errors appear when you manually try to add a resource with a button. Maybe you have a special technique, I'm all ears. The comparison is not retarded. I can prove it to you. Do you want me to teach you how to do a printf and scanf in an MFC (windowed) application in about 10 extra short lines? If you think that is retarded it just goes to show that 1) you have a lot to learn, and 2) you missed the point. But, of course, you don't need proof. You're just saying that because you think it makes you look smart. Yes, I have a life. But it is 12AM here (almost time for bed), and my computer is near the TV. So I just comment away, don't worry about me. Again: you think you know, but you just guessed wrong. You do that a lot, don't you?
Have fun arguing with yourself. I have a life. See ya.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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Rilhas wrote:
Your correction to my post. This is the reason why. You missed the point and argued I was misleading. Is this enough for you to understand now?
If that's your answer to my question you really do have comprehension issues. You say something inaccurate, I say it's wrong. You get an get pissed off all you want to about it, but the more you talk the more I realize you are one stubborn person that likes to argue when bored.
Rilhas wrote:
I'm listening: what exactly have you said about this? Nothing. Still nothing.
EXACTLY MY DAMN POINT! Which means your arguing about it is retarded. Nevertheless, your claim is stupid, but we'll have to deal with one thing about a time because of your learning disability.
Rilhas wrote:
Enjoy your stay at the "I hate to speak" club.
Wow, one point for originality there. :rolleyes:
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
Still nothing there. Still waiting here. I didn't say incorrect, you just didn't consider context. The exact same as my wood MFC. All you said was wrong. Oh, and Win32 if you Pay16 Supermarkets also does not have a graphical interface. Its a supermarket. So your comment is inaccurate. I'll give you that I could have spoecified context all the way in all my sentences, if you would give me that that does not make my comments untrue. But you won't do that, because you don't understand MFC or CON enough so you think the comparison is retarded. That limits all options for an understanding. Still nothing? You do have a point somewhere, because you say I was misleading. But you still don't say why MFC/CON comparison is that bad. And you also don't say why it should have been obvious for me that Win32 graphical interface is a good for printf replacement. It is frustrating that you still do not assume a position. This is getting boring. TV is becoming more interesting (it is not as dumb, and if I talk to it it gives back smarter answers). Thanks. I thought it would be nice to keep the same tone... maybe it would make it easier for you to understand... but it seems you are capable of going on and on and on and don't add anything to your accusations. That is an art, which you don't master.
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Have fun arguing with yourself. I have a life. See ya.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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MFC application without window? You have a wizard for that? I think you should recheck your IDE's options. With wizards both have a graphical interface. One of them close to text interface (MFC) another much further away (Win32). Anyway, if you want to get really technical and argue that Win32 an also be used as a text interface then you will be right. I won't argue that, of course, because it is true. This discussion will just become pointless since that was not the objective of this discussion. I stated from the begining that MFC is an easy enough alternative to console, and you said that I was steering people wrong. All my other comments are always emphasizing simplicity, so why didn't you give up there? You argued that MFC is equivalent to Win32... and keep on arguing that. That is, to say the least, not useful. Recheck the meaning of printf.
Rilhas wrote:
MFC application without window? You have a wizard for that?
Yes, I do. However, I wrote it. I know you two are officially beating a dead horse at this point. We do run MFC for various supporting routines without interfaces, but we wrote the wizard. Now if you want to only use exactly and only what Microsoft gives you, without 3rd party interference, options, additions, or training, then you are technically correct. If you want to argue pure semantics, that it is physically possible to build an MFC application without a GUI, Jeremy is technically correct, you can, I can (and have), and so can Jeremy, but this is NOT something Microsoft wants to encourage, so it isn't available in their default wizards. Now I can play horse and you two can beat on me for a while. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Rilhas wrote:
MFC application without window? You have a wizard for that?
Yes, I do. However, I wrote it. I know you two are officially beating a dead horse at this point. We do run MFC for various supporting routines without interfaces, but we wrote the wizard. Now if you want to only use exactly and only what Microsoft gives you, without 3rd party interference, options, additions, or training, then you are technically correct. If you want to argue pure semantics, that it is physically possible to build an MFC application without a GUI, Jeremy is technically correct, you can, I can (and have), and so can Jeremy, but this is NOT something Microsoft wants to encourage, so it isn't available in their default wizards. Now I can play horse and you two can beat on me for a while. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)