Why on Earth...
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
This world is nuts
And Suddam WAS its leader...
Epitaph: Foolish humans, never escaped Earth.- Vernor Vinge
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It is almost impossible to take the piss out of the Sun and it's readers because everything you could think up is actually true. And they are proud of it too. It's like the Daily Sport, only the Sun tries to pretend it is a serious tabloid. Talking of the Daily Sport/Sunday Sport, here is a quick game. Which of the following has not been a front page headline in 2006: DONKEY ROBS BANK 40 YEAR OLD BABY ATE MY CAT WORLD WAR II BOMBER FOUND ON MOON MY KINKY ORGY WITH ICE CREAM CAKE If you answered the last one you would be correct. Although it appeared on the front page, the headline that day was in fact "STATUE OF ELVIS FOUND ON MARS". And they let these people vote (and breed)?"
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
DONKEY ROBS BANK 40 YEAR OLD BABY ATE MY CAT WORLD WAR II BOMBER FOUND ON MOON MY KINKY ORGY WITH ICE CREAM CAKE
More children's book titles?
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For my part, I think all executions should be made public just the way they used to be - on the public green. If we are going to do it, we might as well be proud of it. Maybe have a little party or something.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Let's burn the witches too!!
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Let's burn the witches too!!
-- For proper viewing, take red pill now
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Let's burn the witches too!!
:laugh: Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch. Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us. Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches? Peasant 1: Burn them. Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches? Peasant 1: More witches. Peasant 2: Wood. Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn? Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood? Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood? Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her. Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone? Peasant 1: Oh yeah. Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water? Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond! Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water? Peasant 1: Bread. Peasant 2: Apples. Peasant 3: Very small rocks. Peasant 1: Cider. Peasant 2: Gravy. Peasant 3: Cherries. Peasant 1: Mud. Peasant 2: Churches. Peasant 3: Lead! Lead! King Arthur: A Duck. Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically... Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood. Sir Bedevere: And therefore... Peasant 2: ...A witch!
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
By a strange coincidence, I've literally just shown the video to my mother. I felt that it was very important for her to see whar was being done in her name. I felt it was important for her to see what "Saddam Hanged" really meant. I was proud of her that she was disgusted, but I still think that it's important for people to be aware of what things like this really mean...
"Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
I've avoided watching the news today because I was warned that the walk up to the execution was being shown. If the media (in the UK) won't show the walk from some prison in Texas, why is it acceptable to show Saddam's last minutes.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Let's burn the witches too!!
:laugh: Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch. Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us. Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches? Peasant 1: Burn them. Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches? Peasant 1: More witches. Peasant 2: Wood. Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn? Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood? Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood? Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her. Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone? Peasant 1: Oh yeah. Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water? Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond! Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water? Peasant 1: Bread. Peasant 2: Apples. Peasant 3: Very small rocks. Peasant 1: Cider. Peasant 2: Gravy. Peasant 3: Cherries. Peasant 1: Mud. Peasant 2: Churches. Peasant 3: Lead! Lead! King Arthur: A Duck. Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically... Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood. Sir Bedevere: And therefore... Peasant 2: ...A witch!
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
You know.. Stan would fit in very well in those times. Dirty death cheering peasant. :)
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You know.. Stan would fit in very well in those times. Dirty death cheering peasant. :)
-- Mr. Bender's Wardrobe by ROBOTANY 500
I don't know in what spirit Stan made his comment - I suspect somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but he has a point: if you are going to do something (such as the death penalty, as some States do) then at least have the honesty to do it openly and in public - *make* people face the reality of their (political) decisions, and hopefully they will make better ones in thre future. Whether you are for the death penalty or against it, I think there is a good argument for carrying them out in public. Fred
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I don't know in what spirit Stan made his comment - I suspect somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but he has a point: if you are going to do something (such as the death penalty, as some States do) then at least have the honesty to do it openly and in public - *make* people face the reality of their (political) decisions, and hopefully they will make better ones in thre future. Whether you are for the death penalty or against it, I think there is a good argument for carrying them out in public. Fred
Fred_Smith wrote:
Whether you are for the death penalty or against it, I think there is a good argument for carrying them out in public.
Please, present your arguments. :) (I am not for death penalty, so the "honesty"-argument doesn't work on me)
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Fred_Smith wrote:
Whether you are for the death penalty or against it, I think there is a good argument for carrying them out in public.
Please, present your arguments. :) (I am not for death penalty, so the "honesty"-argument doesn't work on me)
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Please, present your arguments
I thought I had: to force people to face the reality/consequences of their decision (eg to have the death penalty) - instead of carrying it out hidden away from public view. As long as people can avoid having to face consequences, they won't make informed decisions. Fred
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Please, present your arguments
I thought I had: to force people to face the reality/consequences of their decision (eg to have the death penalty) - instead of carrying it out hidden away from public view. As long as people can avoid having to face consequences, they won't make informed decisions. Fred
Kind of a weak argument, is it not? What does it matter if people get to see the executions, or not? I think it's obvious by now that death penalties does not deter criminals. If anything, it'll just make them more determined not to get caught. I, and most people I argue, are quite capable of understanding what an execution is, without having to see one. If a society which makes use of death penalties from the public view (not from public knowledge), and people are too ignorant to know about it, then there's something really rotten in that society. If death penalty is displayed for all to see, and is used as some kind of deterrent, then that government is far from one protecting its people. It has then become a government of intimidation, and its statement is "If you do not comply, you will be executed." All punishment, including the death penalty, is basically an attempt to cure the symptoms. I realize that trying to find a cure for the cause is a massive undertaking, and quite possibly impossible. It is however a noble to goal to strive for it. The death penalty is in my opinion striving in the opposite direction.
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The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
I find it disturbingly perverse that our "advanced culture" has reached these lows.
I'd like to know how we can regard our culture as advanced? Our society may have more fancy gadgetory than our ancestors, but that does not make us advanced, we are still the same human beings, and have not evolved into anything else, we still have the same flaws in our make up as our ancestors. Where our ancestors would have to walk across town to watch an execution we choose to watch it on TV. Wait for all the Sports games to start then we'll all forget about Saddam, and worry more about how our teams Stirker/Flanker/Shooter, whatever sport witl preform, Saddam is jsut to get us past Midday!!
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cykophysh39 wrote:
Our society may have more fancy gadgetory than our ancestors, but that does not make us advanced, we are still the same human beings, and have not evolved into anything else, we still have the same flaws in our make up as our ancestors. Where our ancestors would have to walk across town to watch an execution we choose to watch it on TV.
I would argue that some of us have moved on, while others are still stuck in the medieval ages...
-- The Show That Watches Back
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I don't know in what spirit Stan made his comment - I suspect somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but he has a point: if you are going to do something (such as the death penalty, as some States do) then at least have the honesty to do it openly and in public - *make* people face the reality of their (political) decisions, and hopefully they will make better ones in thre future. Whether you are for the death penalty or against it, I think there is a good argument for carrying them out in public. Fred
Fred_Smith wrote:
*make* people face the reality of their (political) decisions, and hopefully they will make better ones in thre future.
Precisely. I have no strong opinions on the death penalty one way or another, but I think many people who are strongly for it might change their minds if the deed were done in the broad light of day.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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CNN seem to have various videos on their web site, and Fox News is running wild with, unsurprisingly, a full video of Saddam's execution. I hear Fox is running a rebate for the cost of any bullets you let off while watching the video, although they remind you that firing within city limits is not advisable, and you may want to go outside first. :rolleyes: Does The Sun run on a Saturday? If so they must be really pissed. On their web site they have already had to push their "WISHING YOU A HAPPY NUDE YEAR" and "CAR PARKS OF GREAT BRITAIN" breaking features into secondary news slots, leaving millions of Britains unable to find their daily 'news'.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
and Fox News is running wild with,
Must only be on your side of the Atlantic. Over here, all they are showing is the Ford funeral bull shit.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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cykophysh39 wrote:
Our society may have more fancy gadgetory than our ancestors, but that does not make us advanced, we are still the same human beings, and have not evolved into anything else, we still have the same flaws in our make up as our ancestors. Where our ancestors would have to walk across town to watch an execution we choose to watch it on TV.
I would argue that some of us have moved on, while others are still stuck in the medieval ages...
-- The Show That Watches Back
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I would argue that some of us have moved on, while others are still stuck in the medieval ages...
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is. :rolleyes:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I would argue that some of us have moved on, while others are still stuck in the medieval ages...
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is. :rolleyes:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is.
Yep. I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked :rolleyes:
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Kind of a weak argument, is it not? What does it matter if people get to see the executions, or not? I think it's obvious by now that death penalties does not deter criminals. If anything, it'll just make them more determined not to get caught. I, and most people I argue, are quite capable of understanding what an execution is, without having to see one. If a society which makes use of death penalties from the public view (not from public knowledge), and people are too ignorant to know about it, then there's something really rotten in that society. If death penalty is displayed for all to see, and is used as some kind of deterrent, then that government is far from one protecting its people. It has then become a government of intimidation, and its statement is "If you do not comply, you will be executed." All punishment, including the death penalty, is basically an attempt to cure the symptoms. I realize that trying to find a cure for the cause is a massive undertaking, and quite possibly impossible. It is however a noble to goal to strive for it. The death penalty is in my opinion striving in the opposite direction.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
and most people I argue, are quite capable of understanding what an execution is, without having to see one.
I disagree. This thread started with someone complaining about having to see pictures of the execution (actually not even that - but just pictures leading up to it!)
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
If a society which makes use of death penalties from the public view (not from public knowledge), and people are too ignorant to know about it, then there's something really rotten in that society.
The penny drops... The point in public executions, as far as my argument goes, is not an effort to make it a stronger deterrent, but to make people really see what having it means. I agree in that I don't think it is a deterrent. But it sure is a punishment, and when the crime is bad enough, why shouldn't it be used? Could anyone claim that Saddam Hussein really still had a right to live? Well, yes, lots will - but I don't. He forfeited that right along with the hundreds of thousands of similar rights he took from others.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
All punishment, including the death penalty, is basically an attempt to cure the symptoms
There's nothing wrong with curing symptons whilst striving to cure the cause. In fact, if I cure my headache, I can probably work better at finding out what caused it. Fred
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David Wulff wrote:
and Fox News is running wild with,
Must only be on your side of the Atlantic. Over here, all they are showing is the Ford funeral bull shit.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
I dont get Fox here, I was going by their web site.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is.
Yep. I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked :rolleyes:
Paul Conrad wrote:
I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked
And I bet that wasn't for two days. :laugh: Or worse, there was a mistake and they thought sirloin was on sale for $1.39. ;P Then see how they behave.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Paul Conrad wrote:
I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked
And I bet that wasn't for two days. :laugh: Or worse, there was a mistake and they thought sirloin was on sale for $1.39. ;P Then see how they behave.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
And I bet that wasn't for two days.
Nope. It was over Memorial Day Weekend.
Tim Craig wrote:
there was a mistake and they thought sirloin was on sale for $1.39. ;P Then see how they behave.
That is a classic one :)