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  • L Lost User

    Source control seems to be a complex process.

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    code frog 0
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    You know it really is. I won't even tell you I pretend to understand half of it. Search the lounge a while back someone posted about the source control methods Microsoft used for Vista. I was reading it thinking :omg: that's complex. I really think you just have to moderate your own needs. For guys like us not working in large groups compiling applications in separate builds and then doing team builds weekly source control can be a lot simpler. I have SVN configured very simply and it's very simple to use. The Ankh add-in really takes it a step simpler where it's just *right-click* -> *select action* (check in/out) and keep coding on your merry way. That post I link back to might look complex but if you read through it slowly and carefully you can have SVN up and running in less than 30 minutes which I don't think is to bad for a product that is free. Honestly though, for the type of check in/out you and I need I think VSS 2005 is just fine to. I use it on some of my other boxes and it's never treated me wrong.

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    • B Bob X

      Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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      Bob Nadler
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      Subversion is great. We just completed a migration from an old RCS-based system. The conversion with cvs2svn[^] works very well. If you're used to CVS (which isn't bad; SVN is just better) or VSS (which is bad X| ), SVN just takes a little getting used to. The TortoiseSVN on-line documentation is quite good. Bob

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      • B Bob X

        Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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        Ravi Bhavnani
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        Another strong recommendation for SubVersion. And if you don't want to manage the server you can find several inexpensive SubVersion hosting companies. I use Hosted-Projects.com/[^]. :cool: /ravi

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        • B Bob X

          Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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          KevinMac
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          I have spent most of the last week researching and testing different open source source control offerings. We need branched source control with the ability to build to a version as well as being able to integrate with VS2005 and support automated builds. CruiseControl.net gives me the automated builds and can use subversion as the source control. There is a plugin that integrates subversion into vs2005 and it works pretty good so far. I am struggling with the build scripts in CruiseControl.net but I have to accept this since I did not have to pay anything either. I got most of my help from the postings here on CP however there is plenty of help on the web and even free books(pdf). I need to get the environment up and runing by next week so the team can get use to it and so far it is comming together pretty good for open source. Best of luck with the search.

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          • B Bob X

            Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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            S Douglas
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            I will add a nod for Subversion like most of the other folks. The subversion book http://svnbook.red-bean.com/[^] for getting started.


            I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:

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            • L Lost User

              It would also be nice if it integrated with VS2005.

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              Chris Austin
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              Just my opinion but, VS integration is overrated. Esp with quality tools like Subversion. Many end up just using the VS forced view and subset of the tool rather than using the tool as it was meant to be used.

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              • S Stathread

                try using perforce. www.perforce.com

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                Prakash Nadar
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                rstum wrote:

                www.perforce.com

                though it is really good but not free i guess it starts with 800$ for a licence (first 2 are free)


                -Prakash

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                • B Bob X

                  Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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                  Ed Poore
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                  This[^] article is very good for a standalone developer (like me) to setup some form of simple version control for yourself. Completely "revolutionised" the way I've been doing things.


                  I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.

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                  • B Bob X

                    Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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                    Jonas Hammarberg
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                    Sourcegear Vault -- free for personal usage. I've just migrated from SourceSafe (been using them since the DOS-version). When it comes to integration with VS2005 I have no idea. I keep them separated.

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                    • B Bob X

                      Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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                      Guy Harwood
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                      If you are working in a single user enviroment you can download and use Sourcegear Vault for free. I installed this on my home pc, and also installed hamachi (www.hamachi.cc) and now i can access my source code from anywhere in the world via my laptop, very convenient! :-D Sourcegear vault also migrates all your existing projects from sourcesafe :mad:(grrr) and integrates well with vs2003 & vs2005. I also use it with the company i work for and have 10 developers using it, 6 of them in another country. excellent product. obviously its not free in a multiuser environment though!:doh:

                      ---Guy H (;-)---

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                      • J Joe Woodbury

                        NOT CVS. One of the biggest piles of crap I've ever used.

                        Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                        Lost User
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                        Agreed - I must prefer subversion! Elaine (subversive fluffy tigress)

                        The tigress is here :-D

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                        • B Bob X

                          Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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                          dazfuller
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                          Subversion is an excellent option. Also worth considering is Sourcegear Vault which is free for individual use, but you will need a MS SQL server to run it with (not sure if this works with the Express Edition, not tried it).

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                            Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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                            Phil Harding
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                            SVN[^] and Tortoise[^]

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                            • B Bob X

                              Does anyone recomend a good (and free) source version control? Thanks

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                              David Veeneman
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                              Another vote for subversion. Don't bother trying to integrate it into VS--use Tortoise SVN to integrate into Windows Explorer.

                              David Veeneman www.veeneman.com

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                              • J Joe Woodbury

                                NOT CVS. One of the biggest piles of crap I've ever used.

                                Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                                Tom Delany
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                                We had CVS shoved down our throats because that is what our offshore developers were using, and we needed to integrate with what they were doing for us. I guess it was seen as the path of least resistance by those on high for us to change rather than getting the offshore guys to change. I must admit, it is possible to do a lot more in CVS that what were were using before (VSS :sigh:), but it is a bas**rd to learn. I think those folks went out of their way to make it complicated. Cheers,

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                                  Just my opinion but, VS integration is overrated. Esp with quality tools like Subversion. Many end up just using the VS forced view and subset of the tool rather than using the tool as it was meant to be used.

                                  My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                  Grimolfr
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                                  Chris Austin wrote:

                                  Just my opinion but, VS integration is overrated.

                                  I disagree. Without (usable) VS integration, you'll never get a VS-based team to fully adopt it. And that's not just for source control, that's anything that needs to be an integral part of the development process. If you work by yourself or on a small team of uebergeeks, more power to ya! But if you work in a corporate environment where half the team is just there to get a paycheck, you're not going to get them to use a tool properly unless using it is easier than not using it.


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                                    We had CVS shoved down our throats because that is what our offshore developers were using, and we needed to integrate with what they were doing for us. I guess it was seen as the path of least resistance by those on high for us to change rather than getting the offshore guys to change. I must admit, it is possible to do a lot more in CVS that what were were using before (VSS :sigh:), but it is a bas**rd to learn. I think those folks went out of their way to make it complicated. Cheers,

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                                    Dan Neely
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                                    It's a *nix tool. It was designed by CLI gods to be used by other CLI gods. GUI users can try and figure it out once to write a wrapper or suffer. The CLI gods couldn't care less.

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                                      It's a *nix tool. It was designed by CLI gods to be used by other CLI gods. GUI users can try and figure it out once to write a wrapper or suffer. The CLI gods couldn't care less.

                                      -- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.

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                                      Tom Delany
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                                      dan neely wrote:

                                      It's a *nix tool. It was designed by CLI gods to be used by other CLI gods. GUI users can try and figure it out once to write a wrapper or suffer. The CLI gods couldn't care less.

                                      Yeah. WinCVS (which we use as the GUI front end) was designed by someone on something, I think. It is one of the strangest, least intuitive UIs that I have ever seen.:mad: Cheers,

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                                      • G Grimolfr

                                        Chris Austin wrote:

                                        Just my opinion but, VS integration is overrated.

                                        I disagree. Without (usable) VS integration, you'll never get a VS-based team to fully adopt it. And that's not just for source control, that's anything that needs to be an integral part of the development process. If you work by yourself or on a small team of uebergeeks, more power to ya! But if you work in a corporate environment where half the team is just there to get a paycheck, you're not going to get them to use a tool properly unless using it is easier than not using it.


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                                        Chris Austin
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                                        Like I said it is just my opinion. :) I've worked in many different environments from large corporate to small team and most what you say bodes true. But, I think it is the wrong way to go. But, I've too been guilty of the 'it needs to be just like MS' syndrome. Cheers.

                                        My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                        • C code frog 0

                                          See my reply in the same level as yours. Go read it then get AnkhSVN: http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/[^] I have used it with VS 2005 and found it to be worthy of recommendation. It's a nice little add-in.

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                                          Fahad Azeem
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                                          http://www.pushok.com/soft_short_info.php[^] Push OK have VS.net plugins for CVS and SVN. I have used CVS plugin at our company for more than year and it works great . Cost is $24 per user.

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