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    Ri Qen Sin
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    A month ago, Peter Gutmann publish his article on "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection". The document was a plain text file. Micrsoft has apparently responded half a month later in "Windows Vista Content Protection - Twenty Questions (and Answers)" (http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx). Below the post is a mile long pile of comments. I wonder if Microsoft is going to change anything. The anti-DRM protest there seems to be overwhelming. In response to Microsoft's questions and answers, Peter Gutmann modified his document and appended some additional material to answer the Windows Vista Team. Apparently, all that the Windows Vista Team accomplished was prove Gutmann's article. You can red the new one here: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista\_cost.html (Scroll to the near bottom.) …and the battle rages on…

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      A month ago, Peter Gutmann publish his article on "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection". The document was a plain text file. Micrsoft has apparently responded half a month later in "Windows Vista Content Protection - Twenty Questions (and Answers)" (http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx). Below the post is a mile long pile of comments. I wonder if Microsoft is going to change anything. The anti-DRM protest there seems to be overwhelming. In response to Microsoft's questions and answers, Peter Gutmann modified his document and appended some additional material to answer the Windows Vista Team. Apparently, all that the Windows Vista Team accomplished was prove Gutmann's article. You can red the new one here: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista\_cost.html (Scroll to the near bottom.) …and the battle rages on…

      ROFLOLMFAO

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      windowsvistablog.com[^]. Gutmann's article[^].


      Windows with no internet connection is safe, but that's not what Windows was built for.

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        A month ago, Peter Gutmann publish his article on "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection". The document was a plain text file. Micrsoft has apparently responded half a month later in "Windows Vista Content Protection - Twenty Questions (and Answers)" (http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx). Below the post is a mile long pile of comments. I wonder if Microsoft is going to change anything. The anti-DRM protest there seems to be overwhelming. In response to Microsoft's questions and answers, Peter Gutmann modified his document and appended some additional material to answer the Windows Vista Team. Apparently, all that the Windows Vista Team accomplished was prove Gutmann's article. You can red the new one here: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista\_cost.html (Scroll to the near bottom.) …and the battle rages on…

        ROFLOLMFAO

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        Dario Solera
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        It's simple: do not buy DRM'ed content, and stay well away from BluRay and HD-DVD discs.

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          A month ago, Peter Gutmann publish his article on "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection". The document was a plain text file. Micrsoft has apparently responded half a month later in "Windows Vista Content Protection - Twenty Questions (and Answers)" (http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx). Below the post is a mile long pile of comments. I wonder if Microsoft is going to change anything. The anti-DRM protest there seems to be overwhelming. In response to Microsoft's questions and answers, Peter Gutmann modified his document and appended some additional material to answer the Windows Vista Team. Apparently, all that the Windows Vista Team accomplished was prove Gutmann's article. You can red the new one here: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista\_cost.html (Scroll to the near bottom.) …and the battle rages on…

          ROFLOLMFAO

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          The thing that makes me think Gutmann doesn't get it is what he said in his interview on Security Now. His position was basically "Microsoft is such a big company that they could just ignore the movie studios' demands for DRM and do whatever they want", which is so far off-base that it's not funny. Sure, MS could ignore the demands, but then they wouldn't be granted licenses for the technology and patents necessary to play back HD content. Some other company (say, Apple) might agree to the demands, and MS would then have to answer to their stockholders about why they decided not to allow Windows users to play that content.

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            It's simple: do not buy DRM'ed content, and stay well away from BluRay and HD-DVD discs.

            ________________________________________________ Personal Blog [ITA] - Tech Blog [ENG] - My Photos Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 2.0 (2.0 Beta is out)

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            Rei Miyasaka
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            Tell that to the rest of the world.

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              A month ago, Peter Gutmann publish his article on "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection". The document was a plain text file. Micrsoft has apparently responded half a month later in "Windows Vista Content Protection - Twenty Questions (and Answers)" (http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx). Below the post is a mile long pile of comments. I wonder if Microsoft is going to change anything. The anti-DRM protest there seems to be overwhelming. In response to Microsoft's questions and answers, Peter Gutmann modified his document and appended some additional material to answer the Windows Vista Team. Apparently, all that the Windows Vista Team accomplished was prove Gutmann's article. You can red the new one here: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista\_cost.html (Scroll to the near bottom.) …and the battle rages on…

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              Joe Woodbury
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              This is a repost many times over. I disagree that the Vista Team proved Gutmann's article since, as Michael Dunn already observed, Gutmann's basic thesis is that Microsoft can do whatever they please. The reality is ALL electronic devices for HD have the same restrictions as Vista; it's not only a condition of licensing the technology, it's US federal law! This bears repeating; if Microsoft were to allow DRM to be circumvented, they would be in violation of United States Federal law. If people want to protest DRM, going after Microsoft is the wrong way to go. They need to contact their congressmen and senators and change the law. They should also boycott any content provider who uses DRM.

              Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                This is a repost many times over. I disagree that the Vista Team proved Gutmann's article since, as Michael Dunn already observed, Gutmann's basic thesis is that Microsoft can do whatever they please. The reality is ALL electronic devices for HD have the same restrictions as Vista; it's not only a condition of licensing the technology, it's US federal law! This bears repeating; if Microsoft were to allow DRM to be circumvented, they would be in violation of United States Federal law. If people want to protest DRM, going after Microsoft is the wrong way to go. They need to contact their congressmen and senators and change the law. They should also boycott any content provider who uses DRM.

                Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                Rocky Moore
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                Very well said!

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                  The thing that makes me think Gutmann doesn't get it is what he said in his interview on Security Now. His position was basically "Microsoft is such a big company that they could just ignore the movie studios' demands for DRM and do whatever they want", which is so far off-base that it's not funny. Sure, MS could ignore the demands, but then they wouldn't be granted licenses for the technology and patents necessary to play back HD content. Some other company (say, Apple) might agree to the demands, and MS would then have to answer to their stockholders about why they decided not to allow Windows users to play that content.

                  --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ Ford, what's this fish doing in my ear?

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                  Stephen Hewitt
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                  While I agree with what you say I'm not sure if all this DRM will succeed. For many people computers are for surfing the web, pirating stuff and playing games. You may as well try to make an OS which can't display porn pictures.

                  Steve

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