So - was he Muslim?
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So if Josh Gray opens one of its mouths does that mean that people are going to listen to any of them ramble? Perhaps it types with its 13 fingers and types non-sense and then I vote 1 on its message.
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Rob Graham wrote:
An off duty Cop who happened to be carrying his weapon...
So where did the shooter get his gun?
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Which gun? Reports are he carried 3 or 4 weapons (including a shotgun) , all of which he purchased legally (since he was 18 and a legal resident with no criminal record).
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Ok, put the alcohol down and have another try at making a cohesive sentance.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Geez i could fart terrorism by your definition
as long as your stink kills 5, yep.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
as long as your stink kills 5, yep.
So if you kill five or more your a terrorist? To me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
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Which gun? Reports are he carried 3 or 4 weapons (including a shotgun) , all of which he purchased legally (since he was 18 and a legal resident with no criminal record).
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
as long as your stink kills 5, yep.
So if you kill five or more your a terrorist? To me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
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Josh Gray wrote:
o me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
I think it sufficient that they cause terror. Randomly gunning down strangers in a public shopping center may not be as dramatic as blowing oneself to bits in the same setting, but it just as effectively terrified everyone there. And I have yet to see how any example of terrorism to date has advanced the terrorist's cause (that may be motive, but it is rarely if ever the result that the cause is advanced).
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Rob Graham wrote:
all of which he purchased legally
Amazing
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Josh Gray wrote:
Amazing
Why so? Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes (which were likely the reasons he gave when he signed for the weapons)?
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Which gun? Reports are he carried 3 or 4 weapons (including a shotgun) , all of which he purchased legally (since he was 18 and a legal resident with no criminal record).
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Rob Graham wrote:
all of which he purchased legally
If he had any pistols then he did not purchase them legally. You have to be 21 years or older to purchase a pistol.
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You are correct. He had a .38 pistol and the ATF is investigating how he obtained that.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Amazing
Why so? Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes (which were likely the reasons he gave when he signed for the weapons)?
Rob Graham wrote:
Why so?
Well we dont grow up with the idea of firearms being common in our community and I find the general US attitude towrads guns very foreign.
Rob Graham wrote:
Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes
Yes and no. As far as I know you can have a shotgun (but not one that re-loads itself automatically) but there are very strict rules about where you can keep it etc. If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
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Josh Gray wrote:
o me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
I think it sufficient that they cause terror. Randomly gunning down strangers in a public shopping center may not be as dramatic as blowing oneself to bits in the same setting, but it just as effectively terrified everyone there. And I have yet to see how any example of terrorism to date has advanced the terrorist's cause (that may be motive, but it is rarely if ever the result that the cause is advanced).
This is a common definition of terrorism The calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. [^] You may find a definition of terrorist that doesn't include motive but there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
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This is a common definition of terrorism The calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. [^] You may find a definition of terrorist that doesn't include motive but there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
oilFactotum wrote:
there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
That seems a bit presumptuous. I don't believe we know enough at this point to draw any conclusions as to the motivation. It may turn out that his motivations were similar to those Hamas, or it may not.
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oilFactotum wrote:
there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
That seems a bit presumptuous. I don't believe we know enough at this point to draw any conclusions as to the motivation. It may turn out that his motivations were similar to those Hamas, or it may not.
Rob Graham wrote:
That seems a bit presumptuous
No more presumptuous than the presumption of Islamic terrorism that informs both this thread and the previous thread (whose subject was Islamic terrorism hits the US). Probably less presumptuous since this is a single act in a country that doesn't have a history of suicide bombers (or shooters).
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So if Josh Gray opens one of its mouths does that mean that people are going to listen to any of them ramble? Perhaps it types with its 13 fingers and types non-sense and then I vote 1 on its message.
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I see your Karva arrived...
Steve
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This is a common definition of terrorism The calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. [^] You may find a definition of terrorist that doesn't include motive but there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
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I see your Karva arrived...
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
I see your Karva arrived...
Yes, my Kava did arrive. I haven't drank any today though. I made two glasses of it yesterday leaving the powdered root in the milk. It was hard to drink but once my mouth went numb I didn't feel the root powder sliding down my throat. It smells like pepper and tastes like pizza dough when made with milk. X| It felt nice, it was relaxing. It made me sleep like a rock and I had some vivid dreams later that night. One of the first things I noticed was the numbing of the mouth and lips and shortly after my eyes started to relax. I realized I was feeling the full affects when I found my self sitting on the floor with my back against the front of the couch and my arms behind my head. It is an interesting substance and has potential to be a very nice way to end your day.
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Josh Gray wrote:
o me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
I think it sufficient that they cause terror. Randomly gunning down strangers in a public shopping center may not be as dramatic as blowing oneself to bits in the same setting, but it just as effectively terrified everyone there. And I have yet to see how any example of terrorism to date has advanced the terrorist's cause (that may be motive, but it is rarely if ever the result that the cause is advanced).
Seriously, that's abusing the word "terrorist". Terrorists used to be plane hijackers, and/or "freedom fighters" (think 9/11, munich '72, Baader-Meinhof, etc). It is not good to accept a wider meaning of a word such as terrorist. If the bar is lowered all the time for what "terrorist" actually means, when is the bar low enough? I'm picking up Orwellian vibes in that... Why not call this guy "mass murderer" or "lunatic on a killing spree"? It doesn't distort the meaning of the word "terrorist", and from what I can tell, it properly describes this particular lunatic.
Rob Graham wrote:
And I have yet to see how any example of terrorism to date has advanced the terrorist's cause (that may be motive, but it is rarely if ever the result that the cause is advanced).
The ambition has been there, if you look at historic terrorism acts. It's a good thing that they've never really gotten anywhere with it.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Why so?
Well we dont grow up with the idea of firearms being common in our community and I find the general US attitude towrads guns very foreign.
Rob Graham wrote:
Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes
Yes and no. As far as I know you can have a shotgun (but not one that re-loads itself automatically) but there are very strict rules about where you can keep it etc. If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
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Josh Gray wrote:
If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly? I certainly don't think treating grown adults like children is going to solve any problems. It just kills me the way people are treated, the worst thing is that when you treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep. Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
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oilFactotum wrote:
there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
That seems a bit presumptuous. I don't believe we know enough at this point to draw any conclusions as to the motivation. It may turn out that his motivations were similar to those Hamas, or it may not.
My bet is "the voices in my head told me to do it". If that is the case, would the owner of the "voice" make any difference? :~
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Josh Gray wrote:
If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly? I certainly don't think treating grown adults like children is going to solve any problems. It just kills me the way people are treated, the worst thing is that when you treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep. Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
bah bah black sheep have you any wool?
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