Noah's Ark
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If it's the wrong direction then what happens to me? Will an forever-loving Creator allow me to burn in hell just because I was wrong about one aspect? ---- xian
hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: If it's the wrong direction then what happens to me? Will an forever-loving Creator allow me to burn in hell just because I was wrong about one aspect? Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. If you're not interested enough ( and I presume you know this is what the church is on about ) then is it His fault you didn't accept it ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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James Pullicino wrote: (I'm speaking of Roman Catholic) I guessed as much :-) James Pullicino wrote: The church already has beliefs, it doesn't come up with them. It's beleifs are based on many things, but the most dominant are tradition and the teachings of Jesus. The teachings of Jesus were to oppose religious tradition. They were also specific on telling us to do the opposite of many things that are part of Roman Catholic tradition. James Pullicino wrote: There are numerous other messages that can be derived from the story of Noahas Ark. How does one derive these messages without believing the story to be true ? :confused: James Pullicino wrote: My point is that the Church uses the Bible for many things, one of them is to use it as a tool to spread the Word of God. There is nothing wrong or maliciuos about this. I hope I did not imply otherwise. I don't think that the Catholic Church is malicious, as wrong as they are :-D I think we're headed for major disagreement. I am happy to discuss where the Bible and the RCC differ in rant n rave, but I don't think we should take the discussion much further in the lounge. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Christian Graus wrote: How does one derive these messages without believing the story to be true ? the same way you can derive meanings from the Winnie the Pooh or The Stranger or Huck Finn. -c
As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness about it that was very pleasurable - until I realized it wasn't a nectarine at all, but A HUMAN HEAD!! Jack Handey
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Christian Graus wrote: How does one derive these messages without believing the story to be true ? the same way you can derive meanings from the Winnie the Pooh or The Stranger or Huck Finn. -c
As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness about it that was very pleasurable - until I realized it wasn't a nectarine at all, but A HUMAN HEAD!! Jack Handey
Those books don't claim to be true, nor are they *written* to teach us anything, but rather to entertain. I hated English at school, because it seemed the subject was about ruining books by trying to read more into them than is there. I guess you'd say the same about the Bible though, right ? :P Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: If it's the wrong direction then what happens to me? Will an forever-loving Creator allow me to burn in hell just because I was wrong about one aspect? Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. If you're not interested enough ( and I presume you know this is what the church is on about ) then is it His fault you didn't accept it ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
The gift is enternal life, but the alternative (punishment) is eternal suffering. Seems like you don't get much choice. If you are born in an area with no contact to the outside world (yes there are still cannibalistic tribes) and you have no way to experience the bible, then what happens to you? ---- xian
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hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: If it's the wrong direction then what happens to me? Will an forever-loving Creator allow me to burn in hell just because I was wrong about one aspect? Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. If you're not interested enough ( and I presume you know this is what the church is on about ) then is it His fault you didn't accept it ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. If you're not interested enough ( and I presume you know this is what the church is on about ) then is it His fault you didn't accept it ? Damn, I wanted to stay out of this one. I would say it is his fault. In the Bible God and then Jesus are popping up everywhere smiting and curing at the drop of a hat. You didn't have to worry about corrupt fuckers twisting words and stories. You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Now He doesn't show up at all. Allows senior members of (possibly) his most populous church to go around fucking children and lying. Having his word mis-translated century after century and generally making it a hit and miss affair of who can see His Word amongst the shit. If he cared he would do something that multiple people could see and verify. Also he would also explain his position on Paedophiles. Sure they get to burn in hell foprever, but what about his victims. Their God allowed them to get fucked nut expects them to sing his praises and then if they don't make a minor fuckup on the way they get to live in heaven. Too smarmy for me. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
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The gift is enternal life, but the alternative (punishment) is eternal suffering. Seems like you don't get much choice. If you are born in an area with no contact to the outside world (yes there are still cannibalistic tribes) and you have no way to experience the bible, then what happens to you? ---- xian
hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: The gift is enternal life, but the alternative (punishment) is eternal suffering. It is arguable from the Bible that the alternative is simply to cease to exist. But that is another story. hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: If you are born in an area with no contact to the outside world (yes there are still cannibalistic tribes) and you have no way to experience the bible, then what happens to you? THEN the Bible says you are judged on your works, so that everyone gets a chance. This is however clearly not relevant to anyone in the Western world, in the least. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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The gift is enternal life, but the alternative (punishment) is eternal suffering. Seems like you don't get much choice. If you are born in an area with no contact to the outside world (yes there are still cannibalistic tribes) and you have no way to experience the bible, then what happens to you? ---- xian
Actually the bible says nothing about 'eternal suffering'. That is a concept that comes from greek traditions of the afterlife, not christian ones. The only 'punishment' Christianity invokes is to not be allowed to have eternal life. Basically (IMHO) you will just become what all animals become upon death - nothing. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Christian Graus wrote: Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. If you're not interested enough ( and I presume you know this is what the church is on about ) then is it His fault you didn't accept it ? Damn, I wanted to stay out of this one. I would say it is his fault. In the Bible God and then Jesus are popping up everywhere smiting and curing at the drop of a hat. You didn't have to worry about corrupt fuckers twisting words and stories. You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Now He doesn't show up at all. Allows senior members of (possibly) his most populous church to go around fucking children and lying. Having his word mis-translated century after century and generally making it a hit and miss affair of who can see His Word amongst the shit. If he cared he would do something that multiple people could see and verify. Also he would also explain his position on Paedophiles. Sure they get to burn in hell foprever, but what about his victims. Their God allowed them to get fucked nut expects them to sing his praises and then if they don't make a minor fuckup on the way they get to live in heaven. Too smarmy for me. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
Michael Martin wrote: In the Bible God and then Jesus are popping up everywhere smiting and curing at the drop of a hat. Actually the smiting was pretty much all in the Old Testament. The healing still occurs today. Michael Martin wrote: You didn't have to worry about corrupt f***ers twisting words and stories. Not so - the point of much of Jesus ministry was to both show the way to God and to expose the religious leaders of the day, who just like most today either were sincerely wrong, or had their own agenda which did not include God. Michael Martin wrote: You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Would you like details of a church in Sydney where you can see and hear that the almighty exists ? Michael Martin wrote: Now He doesn't show up at all. Not the case. See above. Michael Martin wrote: Allows senior members of (possibly) his most populous church to go around f***ing children and lying. They have nothing to do with Him, except being foretold of in the Bible. I've talked about this in passing in R&R recently. The Bible is clear that God gives everyone a chance to turn to Him, that includes Martin Bryant, the Governet General, and the Pope. It may not seem fair, but what is *fair* is for no-one to be saved. Therefore, the people you speak of will get their reward in the next life ( I hope you understand I'm not implying it will be anything good ). The victims of such people are also able to turn to God to be healed of the scars they bear. I know a little about this - luckily I was never abused, but I was certainly scarred by an abnormal childhood when I because a Christian, and things that had defined my life because I could not overcome them became irrlevant past history in a moment. Such is the power of God. Michael Martin wrote: Having his word mis-translated century after century and generally making it a hit and miss affair of who can see His Word amongst the shit. The essence of the Gospel is to recieve something from God. I believe that even the worst translation allows this to be comunicated, although I'd still make recommendations with regard to which versions are better, of course. Arguing over this comma and that word is the Law, Jesus came to set us free from that, to make us able
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Actually the bible says nothing about 'eternal suffering'. That is a concept that comes from greek traditions of the afterlife, not christian ones. The only 'punishment' Christianity invokes is to not be allowed to have eternal life. Basically (IMHO) you will just become what all animals become upon death - nothing. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
NO!!!!!!!! My kitty is gonna go to heaven! ---- xian
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Michael Martin wrote: In the Bible God and then Jesus are popping up everywhere smiting and curing at the drop of a hat. Actually the smiting was pretty much all in the Old Testament. The healing still occurs today. Michael Martin wrote: You didn't have to worry about corrupt f***ers twisting words and stories. Not so - the point of much of Jesus ministry was to both show the way to God and to expose the religious leaders of the day, who just like most today either were sincerely wrong, or had their own agenda which did not include God. Michael Martin wrote: You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Would you like details of a church in Sydney where you can see and hear that the almighty exists ? Michael Martin wrote: Now He doesn't show up at all. Not the case. See above. Michael Martin wrote: Allows senior members of (possibly) his most populous church to go around f***ing children and lying. They have nothing to do with Him, except being foretold of in the Bible. I've talked about this in passing in R&R recently. The Bible is clear that God gives everyone a chance to turn to Him, that includes Martin Bryant, the Governet General, and the Pope. It may not seem fair, but what is *fair* is for no-one to be saved. Therefore, the people you speak of will get their reward in the next life ( I hope you understand I'm not implying it will be anything good ). The victims of such people are also able to turn to God to be healed of the scars they bear. I know a little about this - luckily I was never abused, but I was certainly scarred by an abnormal childhood when I because a Christian, and things that had defined my life because I could not overcome them became irrlevant past history in a moment. Such is the power of God. Michael Martin wrote: Having his word mis-translated century after century and generally making it a hit and miss affair of who can see His Word amongst the shit. The essence of the Gospel is to recieve something from God. I believe that even the worst translation allows this to be comunicated, although I'd still make recommendations with regard to which versions are better, of course. Arguing over this comma and that word is the Law, Jesus came to set us free from that, to make us able
Christian Graus wrote: Michael Martin wrote: You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Would you like details of a church in Sydney where you can see and hear that the almighty exists ? Sure, I'd like the details! ---- xian
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NO!!!!!!!! My kitty is gonna go to heaven! ---- xian
Hey, don't blame me, I didn't make up the rules.:wtf: "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: If it's the wrong direction then what happens to me? Will an forever-loving Creator allow me to burn in hell just because I was wrong about one aspect? Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. If you're not interested enough ( and I presume you know this is what the church is on about ) then is it His fault you didn't accept it ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. I think you are just the person I'm looking for. What do you believe Eternal life is? I struggle to get my head around the traditional concepts of heaven etc. You are obviously an intelligent bloke so probably can give me better ideas than the dumb crap spouted by the average doorstep religious groups. Michael :-)
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Those books don't claim to be true, nor are they *written* to teach us anything, but rather to entertain. I hated English at school, because it seemed the subject was about ruining books by trying to read more into them than is there. I guess you'd say the same about the Bible though, right ? :P Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Christian Graus wrote: nor are they *written* to teach us anything i disagree. in many cases, a plot is just something to hang a moral/observation/rumination on. a good author will teach you something without you even knowing you've been taught - or, will leave the lesson sitting out in plain sight for you to find on your own. of course that doesn't mean the lesson is The Truth, only that the author may have intended something more than simple plot. Christian Graus wrote: I hated English at school, because it seemed the subject was about ruining books by trying to read more into them than is there. ah... pesonally, i'm inclined to read into books to try to find out what the author is up to. i loved English in school. :) Christian Graus wrote: I guess you'd say the same about the Bible though, right ? yep. but not because i don't think there are lessons there, rather because i don't believe there's anything else there. :) -c
As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness about it that was very pleasurable - until I realized it wasn't a nectarine at all, but A HUMAN HEAD!! Jack Handey
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hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: The gift is enternal life, but the alternative (punishment) is eternal suffering. It is arguable from the Bible that the alternative is simply to cease to exist. But that is another story. hollowMedia [0xFA7E] wrote: If you are born in an area with no contact to the outside world (yes there are still cannibalistic tribes) and you have no way to experience the bible, then what happens to you? THEN the Bible says you are judged on your works, so that everyone gets a chance. This is however clearly not relevant to anyone in the Western world, in the least. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Christian Graus wrote: the Bible says you are judged on your works How does that work for other religons? It could be argued that (for eg) a Hindu has never experienced The Bible. By your reasoning, that Hindu would be judged by his actions. Therefore if he is a 'good' Hindu he gets eternal life, even though he has never seen or believed in The Bible? And what is your definition of 'good'. Take that cannibalistic tribe. Eating your recently departed aunt (or whatever) may actually be considered 'proper' behaviour, but that same situation may be seen by other cultures or religons as 'evil' or at the very least unacceptable. BTW, I'm not trying to stir anyone up, or trash their beliefs, I'm just trying to understand how your view Paresh Solanki There is no substitute for genuine lack of preparation.
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Michael Martin wrote: In the Bible God and then Jesus are popping up everywhere smiting and curing at the drop of a hat. Actually the smiting was pretty much all in the Old Testament. The healing still occurs today. Michael Martin wrote: You didn't have to worry about corrupt f***ers twisting words and stories. Not so - the point of much of Jesus ministry was to both show the way to God and to expose the religious leaders of the day, who just like most today either were sincerely wrong, or had their own agenda which did not include God. Michael Martin wrote: You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Would you like details of a church in Sydney where you can see and hear that the almighty exists ? Michael Martin wrote: Now He doesn't show up at all. Not the case. See above. Michael Martin wrote: Allows senior members of (possibly) his most populous church to go around f***ing children and lying. They have nothing to do with Him, except being foretold of in the Bible. I've talked about this in passing in R&R recently. The Bible is clear that God gives everyone a chance to turn to Him, that includes Martin Bryant, the Governet General, and the Pope. It may not seem fair, but what is *fair* is for no-one to be saved. Therefore, the people you speak of will get their reward in the next life ( I hope you understand I'm not implying it will be anything good ). The victims of such people are also able to turn to God to be healed of the scars they bear. I know a little about this - luckily I was never abused, but I was certainly scarred by an abnormal childhood when I because a Christian, and things that had defined my life because I could not overcome them became irrlevant past history in a moment. Such is the power of God. Michael Martin wrote: Having his word mis-translated century after century and generally making it a hit and miss affair of who can see His Word amongst the shit. The essence of the Gospel is to recieve something from God. I believe that even the worst translation allows this to be comunicated, although I'd still make recommendations with regard to which versions are better, of course. Arguing over this comma and that word is the Law, Jesus came to set us free from that, to make us able
You've presented some interesting ideas and concepts that I'm going to have to have a good think about. I've always associated God and Religion as being the same thing. Like you say, some half assed sunday school education 25 years ago has possibly coloured my judgement. Any recommended reading besides The Bible? thanks for giving me new possibilites to contemplate (when I should really be working :-D ) Michael :-)
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Christian Graus wrote: Well, the point is that the gift of God is eternal life. I think you are just the person I'm looking for. What do you believe Eternal life is? I struggle to get my head around the traditional concepts of heaven etc. You are obviously an intelligent bloke so probably can give me better ideas than the dumb crap spouted by the average doorstep religious groups. Michael :-)
Wel, the thing to realise is that when people die, they sleep. When Jesus returns, then the dead in Christ rise, and at that time the Bible indicates our bodies will change, we will not be in human bodies as they are now. What that means I am not sure, maybe just not mortal, maybe more. The Bible is only really explicit about the next 1,000 years, during which Christians will help God to establish His Kingdom. During this time it seems people will still be able to decide not to be part of what God is doing. After the 1,000 years, I am not really sure what happens, to be honest. I'm sorry, the Bible just does not say in great detail, more in genral terms of peace and so on ( the lion will lie with the lamb, etc. ). What does not get any mention though is harps, or clouds, or anything of that nature. Sorry I can't be more precise than that on short notice... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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Michael Martin wrote: In the Bible God and then Jesus are popping up everywhere smiting and curing at the drop of a hat. Actually the smiting was pretty much all in the Old Testament. The healing still occurs today. Michael Martin wrote: You didn't have to worry about corrupt f***ers twisting words and stories. Not so - the point of much of Jesus ministry was to both show the way to God and to expose the religious leaders of the day, who just like most today either were sincerely wrong, or had their own agenda which did not include God. Michael Martin wrote: You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Would you like details of a church in Sydney where you can see and hear that the almighty exists ? Michael Martin wrote: Now He doesn't show up at all. Not the case. See above. Michael Martin wrote: Allows senior members of (possibly) his most populous church to go around f***ing children and lying. They have nothing to do with Him, except being foretold of in the Bible. I've talked about this in passing in R&R recently. The Bible is clear that God gives everyone a chance to turn to Him, that includes Martin Bryant, the Governet General, and the Pope. It may not seem fair, but what is *fair* is for no-one to be saved. Therefore, the people you speak of will get their reward in the next life ( I hope you understand I'm not implying it will be anything good ). The victims of such people are also able to turn to God to be healed of the scars they bear. I know a little about this - luckily I was never abused, but I was certainly scarred by an abnormal childhood when I because a Christian, and things that had defined my life because I could not overcome them became irrlevant past history in a moment. Such is the power of God. Michael Martin wrote: Having his word mis-translated century after century and generally making it a hit and miss affair of who can see His Word amongst the shit. The essence of the Gospel is to recieve something from God. I believe that even the worst translation allows this to be comunicated, although I'd still make recommendations with regard to which versions are better, of course. Arguing over this comma and that word is the Law, Jesus came to set us free from that, to make us able
Christian Graus wrote: I'm sorry, I have no idea what this means... Christ, I don't understand what that was trying to say either. I am positive that I type fucked then, and have no idea where the nut came from. Unless Chris has sabotaged me, adding random words after the the word fuck is found in one of my posts. Really didn't want to spout off on this, but your post was the last one I read on that branch of the thread and I was possessed. Also thought you would at least come back with something half sensible. And now for something completely different. As you well know I am having great difficulty getting a job. People wanting Consultants seem to want someone smarmier than I. Those wanting Developers won't take the gamble on me since I spent the last 3 years as a Consultant (yes a company, not an Agency have said this). So I am attempting to read like a bastard and do some stuff on my ancient Pentium MMX 233Mhz shitbox. Tomorrow I hope to get a semi-coherent email to you to get some guidance on what little projects I can create while I learn. I seriously at times cannot think of anything useful to build using whatever I am trying to learn. Also hoping you might turn on your mobile between 7-9:00PM tomorrow so I can have a quick (I do mean quick, don't want to eat into your time) chat. I have a pre-paid mobile now that lets me call any mobile after 7:00PM for 10 minutes for 22 cents. This is to clear up any inaccuracies in my email (yes there will be, hard to believe I know) before getting further into emails. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: the Bible says you are judged on your works How does that work for other religons? It could be argued that (for eg) a Hindu has never experienced The Bible. By your reasoning, that Hindu would be judged by his actions. Therefore if he is a 'good' Hindu he gets eternal life, even though he has never seen or believed in The Bible? And what is your definition of 'good'. Take that cannibalistic tribe. Eating your recently departed aunt (or whatever) may actually be considered 'proper' behaviour, but that same situation may be seen by other cultures or religons as 'evil' or at the very least unacceptable. BTW, I'm not trying to stir anyone up, or trash their beliefs, I'm just trying to understand how your view Paresh Solanki There is no substitute for genuine lack of preparation.
Paresh Solanki wrote: It could be argued that (for eg) a Hindu has never experienced The Bible. By your reasoning, that Hindu would be judged by his actions. If a Hindu lives in an area where he/she is never exposed to Christianity, then I guess yes, they would be judged on their actions. Paresh Solanki wrote: Therefore if he is a 'good' Hindu he gets eternal life, even though he has never seen or believed in The Bible? The Bible says very few will enter in this way. However, the point I think is that this is very interesting, but also both semantic, and not something we need to understand. The bible tells us enough that we know God will be just, but the fact we know that means it does not apply to us. Having experienced God, I have no doubt He will deal fairly with all who come before Him. It's not my job to worry about that overmuch. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Michael Martin wrote: You got to see and hear that the almighty exhisted. Would you like details of a church in Sydney where you can see and hear that the almighty exists ? Sure, I'd like the details! ---- xian
No worries, I will email you tomorrow ( I need to get the specifics ). Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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No worries, I will email you tomorrow ( I need to get the specifics ). Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Schweet. ---- xian