Ballmer downplays Vista sales
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boxed copies of Vista did less well. Vista sold 59 per cent less copies in its first week in the US than XP did on its debut. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/vista_sales_not_that_high/[^]
Kevin
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boxed copies of Vista did less well. Vista sold 59 per cent less copies in its first week in the US than XP did on its debut. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/vista_sales_not_that_high/[^]
Kevin
Gee, you don't suppose the confusing number of options, or exorbitant pricing model has anything to do with that, do you?
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boxed copies of Vista did less well. Vista sold 59 per cent less copies in its first week in the US than XP did on its debut. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/vista_sales_not_that_high/[^]
Kevin
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boxed copies of Vista did less well. Vista sold 59 per cent less copies in its first week in the US than XP did on its debut. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/vista_sales_not_that_high/[^]
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
boxed copies of Vista did less well. Vista sold 59 per cent less copies in its first week in the US than XP did on its debut.
And Microsoft is surprised? [edit] Ah, no, he's saying that resellers over-anticipated sales. Gee, and what could have prompted them to make that mistake? We get the campaign shmear as end users, but imagine the hype Microsoft does to resellers. [/edit] Marc
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boxed copies of Vista did less well. Vista sold 59 per cent less copies in its first week in the US than XP did on its debut. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/vista_sales_not_that_high/[^]
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- The price is outrageously high 1) Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff. 2) There was virtually NO advertising for it 3) Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption. 4) It seems the channel for upgrading all those new "vista-ready" systems is so clogged with back-orders that nobody's getting their promised upgrades. This is one of the most ill-handled product launches I've ever seen, and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
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boxed copies of Vista did less well. Vista sold 59 per cent less copies in its first week in the US than XP did on its debut. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/vista_sales_not_that_high/[^]
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I don't think I would buy a boxed version of any Windows - it is much more reasonable to buy a piece of hardware and an OEM version with it.
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- The price is outrageously high 1) Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff. 2) There was virtually NO advertising for it 3) Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption. 4) It seems the channel for upgrading all those new "vista-ready" systems is so clogged with back-orders that nobody's getting their promised upgrades. This is one of the most ill-handled product launches I've ever seen, and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I don't think I would buy a boxed version of any Windows - it is much more reasonable to buy a piece of hardware and an OEM version with it.
That's right, but the key point here is that there is such a huge discrepancy between the no. of boxed copies sold of Vista vs. XP at the same stage. It will be interesting to see MS's yearly revenues at the end of the year. Perhaps there will be some price cuts later in the year?
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- The price is outrageously high 1) Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff. 2) There was virtually NO advertising for it 3) Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption. 4) It seems the channel for upgrading all those new "vista-ready" systems is so clogged with back-orders that nobody's getting their promised upgrades. This is one of the most ill-handled product launches I've ever seen, and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- The price is outrageously high 1) Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff. 2) There was virtually NO advertising for it
I agree
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption.
This, I think, is the single most over-dramaticised "problem" in Vista. There's a UAC thing in my Ubuntu install as well - it's just that it's referred to as a security feature there for some reason... In the Linux instance, entering your password again makes you superuser for the rest of the session, so you don't get bugged again. The only scenario where Vista's UAC stuff does this is with setup programs, and that's apparently a "huge security hole" when it's on Windows :) I think that Windows developers are going to have a tough row to hoe if they haven't figured out how to design and deploy honest multi-user applications. But this is a good thing, IMO, in the long term. I say bring on the vicious user compaints about the damn UAC stuff! Make Windows developers have to be mindful of the security implications of the code they write. No more "must run picture editor as admin" nonsense! No more user settings in HKLM! No more default save directories in \Program Files!
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- It seems the channel for upgrading all those new "vista-ready" systems is so clogged with back-orders that nobody's getting their promised upgrades.
100% correct. The "upgrade" coupon stuff was very poorly thought-out
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
This is one of the most ill-handled product launches I've ever seen, and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
What, you don't remember the inital .NET push? That was the single worst marketing campaign I've ever seen. Bar none. What's .NET? Hailstorm? VS.NET? Web Services? ASP.NET? Windows.NET? CE.NET? Do I need Windows.NET Server to serve .NET programs? And somehow, the CLR itself was a minor point in their marketing babble! I'd say MS needs to fire it's whole marketing department, but I don't think they actually have one.
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- The price is outrageously high 1) Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff. 2) There was virtually NO advertising for it 3) Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption. 4) It seems the channel for upgrading all those new "vista-ready" systems is so clogged with back-orders that nobody's getting their promised upgrades. This is one of the most ill-handled product launches I've ever seen, and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
There was virtually NO advertising for it
Are you kidding? It was plastered on every taxi cab in Las Vegas during CES. Marc
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Just don't buy DRM'ed content. Never.
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Gee, you don't suppose the confusing number of options, or exorbitant pricing model has anything to do with that, do you?
Yep I got shouted down when I said that having 7 versions of the OS would hurt adoption rather than help.
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That's right, but the key point here is that there is such a huge discrepancy between the no. of boxed copies sold of Vista vs. XP at the same stage. It will be interesting to see MS's yearly revenues at the end of the year. Perhaps there will be some price cuts later in the year?
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Perhaps there will be some price cuts later in the year?
All this time, and I never once gave any thought to you being a true comedian. LOL
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
There is so much FUD (a very over used term but in this case it really is the right acronym to use) going round about the DRM in Vista. The DRM included alows you to watch cirtain media. Without that DRM you cannot watch that media. The DRM doesn't affect alternate types of media. So by including the DRM stuff Vista gives you the option of watching the content if you want ... or not, and thats it. Other OS that don't have it included don't give you the choice. Everyone keeps on about Vista downgrading the signal to your incompatable monitor with HD content. Well without the DRM you can't watch the content at all.
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I don't think I would buy a boxed version of any Windows - it is much more reasonable to buy a piece of hardware and an OEM version with it.
Yeah, since I'm gonna get a new PC soon and put Vista on it I dont mind paying £123.36 ($240) for the OEM of Ultimate Edition. Dont think I'd pay the full price for it, but then even thats cheaper than paying out for all the Mac OS Updates over the last 5 years.
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- The price is outrageously high 1) Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff. 2) There was virtually NO advertising for it 3) Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption. 4) It seems the channel for upgrading all those new "vista-ready" systems is so clogged with back-orders that nobody's getting their promised upgrades. This is one of the most ill-handled product launches I've ever seen, and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- The price is outrageously high
No, it's not. If you want a brand new license for the top-of-the-line, home-theater-running version, it's 400 bucks. If you don't need the Ultimate version (most people don't) or are upgrading, it can be considerably less. And there hasn't been a paid upgrade for a non-server MS operating system in 5 years.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff.
I'm running Vista (which I prefer to XP) on two machines, neither of which were purchased within the last year. Admittedly, one of them was among the more powerful machines you could get at the time, but the other one is a run-of-the-mill workstation and it runs Vista (with glass) just fine. If you're talking about the folks that upgraded their Windows 98 machines to XP, then yes, they will certainly need to upgrade their hardware. But there are a lot of folks who've purchased new machines the last 12-18 months who are good to go.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption.
The reality of UAC is fas from horrific, though. A lot of people are still reacting to the UAC behavior from Beta 1. Like the new Apple commercial with the security guard. Sure, it's funny, but it's not based in reality.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
It must suck to have everything suck so bad.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- The price is outrageously high
No, it's not. If you want a brand new license for the top-of-the-line, home-theater-running version, it's 400 bucks. If you don't need the Ultimate version (most people don't) or are upgrading, it can be considerably less. And there hasn't been a paid upgrade for a non-server MS operating system in 5 years.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- Almost everyone has to buy new hardware to run it, especially if you want the aero stuff.
I'm running Vista (which I prefer to XP) on two machines, neither of which were purchased within the last year. Admittedly, one of them was among the more powerful machines you could get at the time, but the other one is a run-of-the-mill workstation and it runs Vista (with glass) just fine. If you're talking about the folks that upgraded their Windows 98 machines to XP, then yes, they will certainly need to upgrade their hardware. But there are a lot of folks who've purchased new machines the last 12-18 months who are good to go.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- Horror stories regarding the UAC has considerably dampened end-user adoption.
The reality of UAC is fas from horrific, though. A lot of people are still reacting to the UAC behavior from Beta 1. Like the new Apple commercial with the security guard. Sure, it's funny, but it's not based in reality.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and it doesn't help that Vista sucks so bad.
It must suck to have everything suck so bad.
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Not everything sucks. Nascar and Vista suck, and VS2005 sucks to a lesser extent. Sex has never sucked, even if it's bad sex.
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