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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Faith is out of style these days?
Strawman!!!!!!!
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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My snide post was a trigger happy response to all kinds of crap being said in a thread further down. I was bored at work. :) But there's a grain of sincerity in my post. What makes Cameron's claim any less credible than the "official version"? Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
But there's a grain of sincerity in my post. What makes Cameron's claim any less credible than the "official version"? Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known.
But this isn't so. Christian faith does not (and never has) "allow[ed] for pretty much any argument" and certainly not "[r]egardless of what is known and not known." That you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently have no interest in knowing, doesn't change reality.
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when religious people start waving their hands and shout "you have no proof!" I'm sure Cameron will produce much better fiction than the bible. From an entertainment point of view of course. :)
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Archaelogists Criticize Cameron's Claim About Jesus[^]
Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said, "the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television."
'Nuff said. :)
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when religious people start waving their hands and shout "you have no proof!" I'm sure Cameron will produce much better fiction than the bible. From an entertainment point of view of course. :)
-- Verletzen zerfetzen zersetzen zerstören Doch es darf nicht mir gehören Ich muss zerstören
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
religious people start waving their hands and shout "you have no proof!"
Talking of proof here are some interesting statistics[^]
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
religious people start waving their hands and shout "you have no proof!"
Talking of proof here are some interesting statistics[^]
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
But there's a grain of sincerity in my post. What makes Cameron's claim any less credible than the "official version"? Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known.
But this isn't so. Christian faith does not (and never has) "allow[ed] for pretty much any argument" and certainly not "[r]egardless of what is known and not known." That you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently have no interest in knowing, doesn't change reality.
You're missing the big picture. It's not christianity alone I have a beef with. It's faith in general. Faith is nothing but irrational beliefs. Beliefs that cannot be justified unless you want to believe. Christianity is just one loose set of irrational beliefs.
Ilíon wrote:
That you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently have no interest in knowing, doesn't change reality.
Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
-- Smell-o-vision users, insert nostril tubes now
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
religious people start waving their hands and shout "you have no proof!"
Talking of proof here are some interesting statistics[^]
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Strawman!!!!!!!
Which doubtless explains why he had to roll his eyes at what he himself had written.
I'm sure - but I owned him a strawman anyway.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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You're missing the big picture. It's not christianity alone I have a beef with. It's faith in general. Faith is nothing but irrational beliefs. Beliefs that cannot be justified unless you want to believe. Christianity is just one loose set of irrational beliefs.
Ilíon wrote:
That you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently have no interest in knowing, doesn't change reality.
Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
-- Smell-o-vision users, insert nostril tubes now
The "big picture" is that you said: "Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known." and what you said is false. It doesn't apply to Christianity. Though, it clearly does apply to *your* religion. "It's not christianity alone I have a beef with." Of course. That's why any second now you're going to run out into the street and yell something like: "Mohammad is a big doodie-head!" Hell, I'd be surprised if you even have the guts to write "Islam" with a small "i." I'll bet you're even very punctual to write "Qur'an," as though that spelling were more correct (and less likely to cost you your head) than "Koran."
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I'm sure - but I owned him a strawman anyway.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Tim Craig wrote:
And you keep thumping the bible
Do I ? When ?
Tim Craig wrote:
in spite of the inconsistencies and contradictions
I love all the people who talk about all the 'inconsistencies and contradictions', it makes me laugh. Why ? Because most people can't list any, it's a truism. Or, they will google for a list, some of which will be right ( some dates may not line up, a number here or there is reported differently between books ). The Bible does not contradict itself on anything that it sets out to be an authority on.
Tim Craig wrote:
So what's your point?
That people will flock to this film, and regard it as absolute truth, because it supports their belief system. Other people will believe anything they are told that seems, to them, to support what they believe about the Bible. In both cases, you have groups of people taking in whatever source supports their world view. But, the athiests will be the ones more likely to be arrogant about it.
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The "big picture" is that you said: "Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known." and what you said is false. It doesn't apply to Christianity. Though, it clearly does apply to *your* religion. "It's not christianity alone I have a beef with." Of course. That's why any second now you're going to run out into the street and yell something like: "Mohammad is a big doodie-head!" Hell, I'd be surprised if you even have the guts to write "Islam" with a small "i." I'll bet you're even very punctual to write "Qur'an," as though that spelling were more correct (and less likely to cost you your head) than "Koran."
Islam, mohammed, dillweed allah? And for your information, the quran is spelled koran in Swedish. You know, I couldn't care less about these superstitious figures.
Ilíon wrote:
and what you said is false. It doesn't apply to Christianity.
You're still not seeing the point. But that's ok. Your only box seem to be the one with a big cross on it. Life is shiny and happy inside that box of yours, and damn those who wants you to take a peek outside it...?
Ilíon wrote:
*your* religion
Go get a dictionary and lookup the word religion.
-- Fun for the whole family - except grandma and grandpa
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The "big picture" is that you said: "Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known." and what you said is false. It doesn't apply to Christianity. Though, it clearly does apply to *your* religion. "It's not christianity alone I have a beef with." Of course. That's why any second now you're going to run out into the street and yell something like: "Mohammad is a big doodie-head!" Hell, I'd be surprised if you even have the guts to write "Islam" with a small "i." I'll bet you're even very punctual to write "Qur'an," as though that spelling were more correct (and less likely to cost you your head) than "Koran."
islam koran quoran mohammed was a big doodle head. Sorry, Joergen, I couldn't wait to jump on that one. :-D You sound like you're assuming Joergen is islamic. Talk about not paying attention. :laugh:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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Islam, mohammed, dillweed allah? And for your information, the quran is spelled koran in Swedish. You know, I couldn't care less about these superstitious figures.
Ilíon wrote:
and what you said is false. It doesn't apply to Christianity.
You're still not seeing the point. But that's ok. Your only box seem to be the one with a big cross on it. Life is shiny and happy inside that box of yours, and damn those who wants you to take a peek outside it...?
Ilíon wrote:
*your* religion
Go get a dictionary and lookup the word religion.
-- Fun for the whole family - except grandma and grandpa
"Islam, mohammed, dillweed allah?" You ran out in the street and mocked the sensibilities of the "Religionists of Pieces?" Where some of them can actually respond in that manner we've all come to know and love? "And for your information, the quran is spelled koran in Swedish." It's also spelled "Koran" in English. But there are a great number of people who seem to think spelling it "Qur'an" will earn them brownie-points. And, by some odd coincidence, there is a great deal of overlap in those who are punctilious to spell it "Qur'an" and those who are punctilious to spell it "christ" and "xtianity."
You're still not seeing the point. But that's ok. Your only box seem to be the one with a big cross on it. Life is shiny and happy inside that box of yours, and damn those who wants you to take a peek outside it...?
I'd say that *you* are not getting the point. I can arm-chair psychoanalyze you, too. And my "diagnosis" is going to be closer to the mark. You 'atheists' are such interesting folk. You like to dish it out, but you don't like to get it back. Yet, there is an odd logic to that, considering that the dish you serve was dead and stale 100 years ago and the one we're serving it still biting. "Go get a dictionary and lookup the word religion." Open your eyes and get a clue.
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islam koran quoran mohammed was a big doodle head. Sorry, Joergen, I couldn't wait to jump on that one. :-D You sound like you're assuming Joergen is islamic. Talk about not paying attention. :laugh:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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"Islam, mohammed, dillweed allah?" You ran out in the street and mocked the sensibilities of the "Religionists of Pieces?" Where some of them can actually respond in that manner we've all come to know and love? "And for your information, the quran is spelled koran in Swedish." It's also spelled "Koran" in English. But there are a great number of people who seem to think spelling it "Qur'an" will earn them brownie-points. And, by some odd coincidence, there is a great deal of overlap in those who are punctilious to spell it "Qur'an" and those who are punctilious to spell it "christ" and "xtianity."
You're still not seeing the point. But that's ok. Your only box seem to be the one with a big cross on it. Life is shiny and happy inside that box of yours, and damn those who wants you to take a peek outside it...?
I'd say that *you* are not getting the point. I can arm-chair psychoanalyze you, too. And my "diagnosis" is going to be closer to the mark. You 'atheists' are such interesting folk. You like to dish it out, but you don't like to get it back. Yet, there is an odd logic to that, considering that the dish you serve was dead and stale 100 years ago and the one we're serving it still biting. "Go get a dictionary and lookup the word religion." Open your eyes and get a clue.
Ilíon wrote:
You 'atheists' are such interesting folk. You like to dish it out, but you don't like to get it back.
You don't seem so full of the milk of human kindness, brotherly love, and turning the other cheek. Sounds like we're getting under your skin to me. I guess self righteous applies, too. :suss:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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"You sound like you're assuming Joergen is islamic. Talk about not paying attention." Just how dense are you? No, seriously, I want to know.
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Ilíon wrote:
You 'atheists' are such interesting folk. You like to dish it out, but you don't like to get it back.
You don't seem so full of the milk of human kindness, brotherly love, and turning the other cheek. Sounds like we're getting under your skin to me. I guess self righteous applies, too. :suss:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
Oh, now *that* hurts. I am just wounded to the quick. I don't know where you 'atheists' get this strange idea that "turning the other cheek" has anything to do with being a door-mat or allowing obvious falsefoods and irrationalities to go unchallenged. But wherever you get this strange idea, you'd really better get over it. If you can't handle me, you're really not going to like the next generation of us. Oh, I'm sorry. Was that offensive the mention that we have a next generation?
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This is bad, Hannibal Wjousts, real bad!
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CleaKO wrote:
Wow, you forced me to lookup a word. I would say that there is a huge difference here, it is one thing to believe that someone existed, that they did certain things, that they died a certain way, but there arent religions based on all of those things. Religion is the deciding factor here.
Religion is only the deciding factor because it's at odds with an atheist's belief. Eyewitness accounts are universally accepted when it comes to history. We know Marie Antoinette was beheaded because there were eyewitness accounts. We know Julius Caesar was assassinated thanks to Plutarch. We know of Socrates because of Plato. And yet, for obvious reasons, the atheist who accepts all these things suddenly decides that Jesus never existed and didn't perform miracles because there's simply not enough evidence. Never mind that in the case of Caesar and Socrates we have only one recording witness each and in the case of Jesus we have four. After all, it's more important to suspend use of logic when your dogma is at stake.
Red Stateler wrote:
Religion is only the deciding factor because it's at odds with an atheist's belief. Eyewitness accounts are universally accepted when it comes to history.
No, they aren't. There are lots of accounts of magical going ons with historical figures that never make it into the history books because historians dismiss them as nonsense. The appropriate standard was laid down by British philosopher David Hume.
[N]o Testimony is sufficient to establish a Miracle, unless the Testimony be of such a Kind, that its Falshood would be more miraculous, than the Fact, which it endeavours to establish David Hume: Of Miracles, 1748.
John Carson