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      The Grand Negus wrote:

      So, how do they do that?

      Rather than relying on the underlying window representation, they probably do a screen scrape, identify the text region, and then OCR it. OCR is quite good you know. That way, they have a single routine that works regardless of the app and how it displays the word. That's my guess. Marc

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        according to this:

        The application needs the word(s) to be in selectable text format, not in pictures, as WordWeb lacks any OCR (optical character recognition) capabilities like Babylon.

        i tried it, and couldn't get it to recognize anything that wasn't 'selectable' text. it doesn't pick up text that i've drawn with TextOut. Update: now that i've played around a bit, i can get it to recognize non selectable stuff, too. looks like that description is out of date. there's definitely some OCR going on there. sadly, it doesn't work on the CAPTCHAs i've tried :) -- modified at 14:34 Friday 13th April, 2007

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          Rajesh R Subramanian
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          I think Marc guessed absolutely right. That is my guess too. OCR is the way to go. One more such utility is known as Babylon[^] in which you could customize the sensitivity of the OCR. But it is not a freebie and runs really slow.

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            according to this:

            The application needs the word(s) to be in selectable text format, not in pictures, as WordWeb lacks any OCR (optical character recognition) capabilities like Babylon.

            i tried it, and couldn't get it to recognize anything that wasn't 'selectable' text. it doesn't pick up text that i've drawn with TextOut. Update: now that i've played around a bit, i can get it to recognize non selectable stuff, too. looks like that description is out of date. there's definitely some OCR going on there. sadly, it doesn't work on the CAPTCHAs i've tried :) -- modified at 14:34 Friday 13th April, 2007

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            Chris Losinger wrote:

            The application needs the word(s) to be in selectable text format, not in pictures, as WordWeb lacks any OCR (optical character recognition) capabilities like Babylon.

            Ah. I sit corrected. Marc

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            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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              according to this:

              The application needs the word(s) to be in selectable text format, not in pictures, as WordWeb lacks any OCR (optical character recognition) capabilities like Babylon.

              i tried it, and couldn't get it to recognize anything that wasn't 'selectable' text. it doesn't pick up text that i've drawn with TextOut. Update: now that i've played around a bit, i can get it to recognize non selectable stuff, too. looks like that description is out of date. there's definitely some OCR going on there. sadly, it doesn't work on the CAPTCHAs i've tried :) -- modified at 14:34 Friday 13th April, 2007

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              yeah, it is easy to get the window from a point.


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                according to this:

                The application needs the word(s) to be in selectable text format, not in pictures, as WordWeb lacks any OCR (optical character recognition) capabilities like Babylon.

                i tried it, and couldn't get it to recognize anything that wasn't 'selectable' text. it doesn't pick up text that i've drawn with TextOut. Update: now that i've played around a bit, i can get it to recognize non selectable stuff, too. looks like that description is out of date. there's definitely some OCR going on there. sadly, it doesn't work on the CAPTCHAs i've tried :) -- modified at 14:34 Friday 13th April, 2007

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                  I think Marc guessed absolutely right. That is my guess too. OCR is the way to go. One more such utility is known as Babylon[^] in which you could customize the sensitivity of the OCR. But it is not a freebie and runs really slow.

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                  Ouch! One minute before Chris's post... timing is everything :-D

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                    The Grand Negus wrote:

                    on the words "members" and "growing"

                    that's selectable text. try it on the text in one of the banner ads or the CP logo - it doesn't work.

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                    the word "Selected" in the "Quote Selected Text" button

                    so, that adds "any window that responds to GetWindowText"

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                    And I know it works with our text, which really is written exclusively with TextOutA to an off-screen bitmap and then blitted. Our default font is TrueType, but non-standard as well.

                    and i know it doesn't work with text i'm drawing to DCs. are you sure your windows don't respond to GetWindowText ?

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                      The free version has a limitation that it cannot be used by those that take more then four flights per year and do not own an SUV. Hard to imagine people are so wrapped up in the global warming garbage.. They can keep their software! X|

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                        The free version has a limitation that it cannot be used by those that take more then four flights per year and do not own an SUV. Hard to imagine people are so wrapped up in the global warming garbage.. They can keep their software! X|

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                        That's pretty funny actually. And at least they got some kind of reaction out of you :-D


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                          according to this:

                          The application needs the word(s) to be in selectable text format, not in pictures, as WordWeb lacks any OCR (optical character recognition) capabilities like Babylon.

                          i tried it, and couldn't get it to recognize anything that wasn't 'selectable' text. it doesn't pick up text that i've drawn with TextOut. Update: now that i've played around a bit, i can get it to recognize non selectable stuff, too. looks like that description is out of date. there's definitely some OCR going on there. sadly, it doesn't work on the CAPTCHAs i've tried :) -- modified at 14:34 Friday 13th April, 2007

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                          That's weird that they claim that it lacks any OCR! Because I just tried hand-scribbling some text in Paint, and it came very close to guessing the word (eg I scribbled phone and it got hone). I tried using actual text in Paint, then skewing it a few degrees, and it was still able to read it. So it certainly seems to be doing quite good OCR. Maybe that quoted article is out of date.

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                            The free version has a limitation that it cannot be used by those that take more then four flights per year and do not own an SUV. Hard to imagine people are so wrapped up in the global warming garbage.. They can keep their software! X|

                            Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: OpenID - C# project! Latest Tech Blog Post: Want to test Joost (video on demand) - I have invites!

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                            yeah ... like you :rolleyes:

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                              The free version has a limitation that it cannot be used by those that take more then four flights per year and do not own an SUV. Hard to imagine people are so wrapped up in the global warming garbage.. They can keep their software! X|

                              Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: OpenID - C# project! Latest Tech Blog Post: Want to test Joost (video on demand) - I have invites!

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                              Yep I laugh about it. But, I don't qualify for the free license. I take on average about one flight a month...hehe. I defy them to travel to California from Texas that many times a year by some other means of transportation.

                              My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                Ouch! One minute before Chris's post... timing is everything :-D

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                                looks like i quoted incorrect info, though. it's gotta be using OCR.

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                                  Yep I laugh about it. But, I don't qualify for the free license. I take on average about one flight a month...hehe. I defy them to travel to California from Texas that many times a year by some other means of transportation.

                                  My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                  Chris Austin wrote:

                                  I defy them to travel to California from Texas that many times a year by some other means of transportation.

                                  You have to remember these crack smoking monkeys are from the UK not the US, and the whole UK is only about the same size as California. And while anyone with the brains found in a slab of rancid tofu would realize that driving between NYC and LA is utterly insane, driving between San Diego and San Francisco while stupid is within the limits of 'doing it for the cause', certainly other types of religious fanatic regularly do more unpleasant things to themselves.

                                  -- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?

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                                    looks like i quoted incorrect info, though. it's gotta be using OCR.

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                                    Maybe it just asks Stan and (D)espeir, they know everything.

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                                      Maybe it just asks Stan and (D)espeir, they know everything.

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                                      hmmm... i don't think Limbaugh talks about GDI much. i haven't listened in a while though. is that that liberals' fault now, too ?

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                                        I defy them to travel to California from Texas that many times a year by some other means of transportation.

                                        You have to remember these crack smoking monkeys are from the UK not the US, and the whole UK is only about the same size as California. And while anyone with the brains found in a slab of rancid tofu would realize that driving between NYC and LA is utterly insane, driving between San Diego and San Francisco while stupid is within the limits of 'doing it for the cause', certainly other types of religious fanatic regularly do more unpleasant things to themselves.

                                        -- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?

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                                        dan neely wrote:

                                        You have to remember these crack smoking monkeys are from the UK not the US

                                        I totally got that, it still cracks me up because it's unenforceable.

                                        My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                          dan neely wrote:

                                          You have to remember these crack smoking monkeys are from the UK not the US

                                          I totally got that, it still cracks me up because it's unenforceable.

                                          My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                          broadly speaking so are other tofu licenses like the GPL. Assuming you're smart enough to strip the copyright headers from the source files, there's almost no chance of your being caught if you stole nonUI code for your commercial, closed source application.

                                          -- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?

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