Back by popular demand: Windows XP

[Matt Newman]

Just because its popular it doesn't mean its a good idea

Matt Newman

[Dan Neely]

Matt Newman wrote:

I don't think thats what Win Vista users feel about Win Vista, thats what people afraid of change feel about Win Vista.

I have to agree. I bought a laptop with vista because I didn't want to pay the difference between retail sale prices and a dell latitude or the equivalent. I've spent less time swearing at it than I did transitioning from 2k to XP. The only UI feature I've turned off in vista is the taskbar thumbnails, in XP I turned off every change I could. Eventually I have ended up using the new start menu and tray icon hider after I found I could override MS default hide settings. I haven't had any issues with apps not working with UAC, it's basically had the same user footprint as the ZA firewall I used with my 2k machine. The only long term issue I see is that most of the control panel applets have been redesigned to be more task oriented and I can't find a classic view. From what I've seen for the semiclueful user trying to find something him/herself instead of calling someone else for help it's a definite step forward. Even with the new more obvious design though it's still annoying to have to stop and read instead of autoclicking to known locations.

-- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?

[Marcos Meli]

The problem is not that there are "afraid" Maybe the problem is a useless upgrade :P in fact these users are HAPPY with WinXp, They are productive in the old OS, all the programs work, the OS is completely stable, their machines work better with Xp ... So give them a real reason to upgrade... For me there are no ones. Best Regards

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[Daniel Grunwald]

The control panel has a classic view, you can switch it using the link at the left side (just as in Windows XP). However usually I just search the control panel using Explorer's search box. Sadly lots of advanced settings in the "classic" dialogs cannot be found by the search. E.g. searching for DEP doesn't help you, instead you have to click "System and Maintenance", then "System", then "Advanced system settings" (UAC prompt here), then "Settings", then "Data execution prevention". But one can find it if one knew where it was in XP (in the "System" dialog) - and if one didn't knew that, it was near impossible to find in XP, too.

[Russell Jones]

doesn't necessarily make it a bad one either. Russell

[Matt Newman]

Marcos Meli wrote:

useless upgrade

I have three points to my response 1. You have never used Vista 2. XP is not more stable than Vista 3. If an upgrade is "useless" why are they buying new machines?

Matt Newman

[Matt Newman]

Russell Jones wrote:

doesn't necessarily make it a bad one either.

Indeed :)

Matt Newman

[Dan Neely]

Daniel Grunwald wrote:

The control panel has a classic view, you can switch it using the link at the left side (just as in Windows XP).

I did that, but IIRC you still get the vistaized applets instead of the classic ones.

-- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?

[Marcos Meli]

Matt Newman wrote:

I have three points to my response 1. You have never used Vista 2. XP is not more stable than Vista 3. If an upgrade is "useless" why are they buying new machines?

1. I just try it out a bit on the beta stage, I use the final version in a friend PC and I feel that I dont need nothing of the features in Vista or I can mimic them with apps for WinXP 2. Sorry but.. What stability problems do you have with XP ?? check out out there, Vista has a lot of problems, some interesting bugs, problems with DRIVERS that are not very good yet, so I must to repet that WinXP is more stable than Vista. 3. They buy new machines to run new version of apps for XP, for example, Office 2007, Photoshop, internal apps of their companies, etc to play games etc, and the main point !! TO SEE THEIR MACHINE RUNNING FASTER !!! So if you buy a new machine to get a performance enhace and you get a downgrade, not is this useless ??? Best Regards

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[Matt Newman]

Marcos Meli wrote:

1. I just try it out a bit on the beta stage, I use the final version in a friend PC and I feel that I dont need nothing of the features in Vista or I can mimic them with apps for WinXP

Use it on your own machine for a while and you will see the useful features.

Marcos Meli wrote:

2. Sorry but.. What stability problems do you have with XP ?? check out out there, Vista has a lot of problems, some interesting bugs, problems with DRIVERS that are not very good yet, so I must to repet that WinXP is more stable than Vista.

So problems you are having with Vista have nothing to do with Vista. Furthermore, dells shipping with Vista have pretty good driver support in my experience.

Marcos Meli wrote:

3. They buy new machines to run new version of apps for XP, for example, Office 2007, Photoshop, internal apps of their companies, etc to play games etc, and the main point !!

I've got six machines with vastly different hardware and they all run faster with Vista.

Matt Newman

[Marcos Meli]

Matt Newman wrote:

Marcos Meli wrote: 1. I just try it out a bit on the beta stage, I use the final version in a friend PC and I feel that I dont need nothing of the features in Vista or I can mimic them with apps for WinXP Use it on your own machine for a while and you will see the useful features.

Maybe some day I will love Vista and give you the reason, but is not the momment, still happy with WinXP and belive me that is not fear to the change. What I can want, a UI no way, a better WinExplorer.. let me with TotalCommander, a pic viewer, let me use infranview, a better win media player, let me with WinAmp and BsPlayer or mplayer port.

Matt Newman wrote:

Marcos Meli wrote: 2. Sorry but.. What stability problems do you have with XP ?? check out out there, Vista has a lot of problems, some interesting bugs, problems with DRIVERS that are not very good yet, so I must to repet that WinXP is more stable than Vista. So problems you are having with Vista have nothing to do with Vista. Furthermore, dells shipping with Vista have pretty good driver support in my experience.

I dont have problem with Vista, I read a lot of post about problems, side bar hang up, etc A big for problem for my clients was that their Enterprise Apps got problems running Vista, and about the security, Nobody can said now WinVista is more secure than XP, only the time can give us the answer.

Matt Newman wrote:

Marcos Meli wrote: 3. They buy new machines to run new version of apps for XP, for example, Office 2007, Photoshop, internal apps of their companies, etc to play games etc, and the main point !! I've got six machines with vastly different hardware and they all run faster with Vista.

I cant belive you in this topic, I agree that Vista can run perfectly in your new machines, but no that Vista is faster than XP, from the GUI to the security checks it is imposible Glad to talk with you Best Regards Marcos

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[l a u r e n]

they have said they will not allow xp licenses in jan 2008 ... cos by then we will all KNOW that vista is the best thing since... since... since... winME? :rolleyes:

"there is no spoon" {me}

[l a u r e n]

depends what you use your pc for really no? in businesses that *use* pc's to work most people ive come across could care less what OS or even hardware they are running as long as they can do their jobs people like us whose job it is to *make* the stuff others use do care cos we're like that ... we want the new and the shiny and the different frankly i could care less what OS i use to get my work done as long as it works for me (and i tend to work in linux most of the time anyways) but the thought of spending a bundle to get shiny new toys isnt really appealing ... especially when vista clearly isnt ready for prime time yet just my 2c...

"there is no spoon" {me}

[Mike Poz]

Marc Clifton wrote:

Good for Dell! Microsoft must be rolling over in their grave.

From a business standpoint, Microsoft doesn't really care right now either way. Think about it: Microsoft still gets money, regardless of which version of Windows is installed on Dell's computers right now. Additionally Microsoft has stated that XP will be available for a while still. Through the end of the year if I remember the articles correctly. And support will be for some finite number of years beyond the release of Windows Vista. There's a webpage somewhere on the Microsoft website that has those dates. The problem with still selling XP is that eventually Microsoft's support for it will disappear, regardless of the customer install base. That's not going to happen any time soon, but it will happen, and when it does, one of two things will have happened. Either it won't matter because the EU fined Microsoft out of existance, or customers will finally move on to some other operating system, be it a newer version of Windows, or some other offering. I still run XP and I have a spare copy of Professional for when the time comes that I finally get a new computer. Probably a notebook. But eventually Vista will be a decent platform worth running on whatever computer I have, and when it is, I'll use it.

Mike Poz

[Rocky Moore]

They were happy with MS DOS :)

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