Between Angels and Insects
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I know I've been what you describe in the past, but do you feel that I'm that way nowadays? I'm trying to be kinder gentler, and respectful of others. :)
There are only two members of this online community whom I would not even care to give the time of day to. I don't - and won't - ever tell anybody else who they are, because they are opinions I have formed based on how they have shown themselves to me and others, and it is not my place to do so. However, I can honestly say you were never one of them - your 'problem' was in the way you argued your points across during the whole Lindows fiasco and the subsequent debris. You were, it seems now not deliberately, portraying yourself as one of the people that would fall into that category I describe - and although it is also not my place to say this, I was not alone in that conclusion. Now I quite enjoy talking with you; you make sense (most of the time :p) and you seem to have picked up a good sense of humour along the way. ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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I know I've been what you describe in the past, but do you feel that I'm that way nowadays? I'm trying to be kinder gentler, and respectful of others. :)
Martin Marvinski wrote: I'm trying to be kinder gentler, and respectful of others. I think you're doing a good job. :rose: Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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Racists are the first to cry "racist". Cheats are the first to cry "cheat". Liars are the first to cry "liar". And so, it seems, Americans are the first to cry "David dislikes us". Change the record people, please. These past few months contributing to the community side of the CodeProject has been a chore, and one I do not enjoy either. Every day it's the same... I wonder what they will pull out of context and use against me now. You people ask for my input and then turn around and have the nerve to talk back at me with me without even taking the time to listen. It just so happens that in the last few cases I do know what I am talking about, but you still consciously choose to ignore me. Every time I open my mouth in the Lounge I can see you rolling your eyes and disapproving without bothering to listen. You may not do it visibly, but it is not difficult to sense it is there; not difficult at all. And do you know what really gets me? No it's not that you may disagree with me - I got over that petty rivalry when I was nine - it's that you are unable to see that you are the racist, that you are the cheat, that you are the liar. There are a few people on here who I hold a high reverence for - you know who they are - these people do listen to what I, and others, have to say, and if they find fault in the reasoning or fact conveyed they will take the time to research and construct a response objecting to it. It is a joy to converse with these people. They are sadly the minority it seems. On more than one occasion now I have had people talk with me privately via e-mail just to avoid the vultures. That, my friends, is a sad state of affairs indeed. Do you think I enjoy being everyone’s punch bag; the communal boot scrape? Change the record people, please. When I enter into a conversation with someone of course I have a predetermined image of them in my head, as does everyone, but the difference with some of you is that I am still able to listen and react to that person regardless of my view of them. Recent events with a certain member are evidence of this. When I became a member of this community a good twenty months back now, I did so because it was one of the few online environments that was not overrun with l33t kiddies and their petty fights. It has been a rare opportunity to find such a diverse mix of views and cultures in which to mix and make new acquaintances. I did not sign up got the “David doesn’t like Pepsi so he must be prejudiced against the Uni
Here is an interesting editorial by an Australian woman who currently lives in NY. It's worth a read. Mike Mullikin "Thank you America, every night I see increasingly stupid things happening here in Australia. Then you come along and top it." - Michael Martin - The Lounge :bob:
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Here is an interesting editorial by an Australian woman who currently lives in NY. It's worth a read. Mike Mullikin "Thank you America, every night I see increasingly stupid things happening here in Australia. Then you come along and top it." - Michael Martin - The Lounge :bob:
Excellent article, very well-written and thoughtful. Thanks!
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Racists are the first to cry "racist". Cheats are the first to cry "cheat". Liars are the first to cry "liar". And so, it seems, Americans are the first to cry "David dislikes us". Change the record people, please. These past few months contributing to the community side of the CodeProject has been a chore, and one I do not enjoy either. Every day it's the same... I wonder what they will pull out of context and use against me now. You people ask for my input and then turn around and have the nerve to talk back at me with me without even taking the time to listen. It just so happens that in the last few cases I do know what I am talking about, but you still consciously choose to ignore me. Every time I open my mouth in the Lounge I can see you rolling your eyes and disapproving without bothering to listen. You may not do it visibly, but it is not difficult to sense it is there; not difficult at all. And do you know what really gets me? No it's not that you may disagree with me - I got over that petty rivalry when I was nine - it's that you are unable to see that you are the racist, that you are the cheat, that you are the liar. There are a few people on here who I hold a high reverence for - you know who they are - these people do listen to what I, and others, have to say, and if they find fault in the reasoning or fact conveyed they will take the time to research and construct a response objecting to it. It is a joy to converse with these people. They are sadly the minority it seems. On more than one occasion now I have had people talk with me privately via e-mail just to avoid the vultures. That, my friends, is a sad state of affairs indeed. Do you think I enjoy being everyone’s punch bag; the communal boot scrape? Change the record people, please. When I enter into a conversation with someone of course I have a predetermined image of them in my head, as does everyone, but the difference with some of you is that I am still able to listen and react to that person regardless of my view of them. Recent events with a certain member are evidence of this. When I became a member of this community a good twenty months back now, I did so because it was one of the few online environments that was not overrun with l33t kiddies and their petty fights. It has been a rare opportunity to find such a diverse mix of views and cultures in which to mix and make new acquaintances. I did not sign up got the “David doesn’t like Pepsi so he must be prejudiced against the Uni
David Wulff wrote: Racists are the first to cry "racist". Cheats are the first to cry "cheat". Liars are the first to cry "liar". And so, it seems, Americans are the first to cry "David dislikes us". You are making this up only to fuel your anger that I believe originated from many other things way besides the current topic. Your own words are the reasons I believe you hate Americans. Let's see, how did they go? "I hate Americans." That's what you said. How else would one interpret that when it's mixed with so many negative comments towards us? David Wulff wrote: Every time I open my mouth in the Lounge I can see you rolling your eyes and disapproving without bothering to listen. I'm being honest here man. This is your own insecurities talking. Up until now I have always listened to what you had to say, but I tired of your (and many others) insistent bashing of the US. David Wulff wrote: More particular to the States, however, I do dislike the belief that everybody and Joe’s sister “wants in” on the US of A. Nobody said you did want to be here. Everyone has their home. I want to visit the world, but the US is my home. And, I appreciate/respect that you feel the same way about the UK. David Wulff wrote: If you continue to turn every paltry topic into a battle for air I am simply not going to waste any more of my time contributing. This would seem lighthearted to you because something you care for is not being insulted. It's not coincidental that the Americans tend to get upset on CP. How about we rally up everyone and start talking about how Brits do so poorly in this and in that, over and over again you hear this for months on end. Then, after enough time has passed what would you think and do? David Wulff wrote: Change the record people, please, please. I have been asking this for so long now, but it hasn't happened. Jeremy L. Falcon "It's in the mail." Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Here is an interesting editorial by an Australian woman who currently lives in NY. It's worth a read. Mike Mullikin "Thank you America, every night I see increasingly stupid things happening here in Australia. Then you come along and top it." - Michael Martin - The Lounge :bob:
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Here is an interesting editorial by an Australian woman who currently lives in NY. It's worth a read. Mike Mullikin "Thank you America, every night I see increasingly stupid things happening here in Australia. Then you come along and top it." - Michael Martin - The Lounge :bob:
happened, that must be America's fault" (unless it is), but Americans are all too able to turn anything against them. I can do the same, anybody here could do the same, but do we? No. Why? I feel I have already exaplined this. U.S. foreign policyis highly destructive and sanctimonious, but at the same time it can often be the complete opposite. Politics - on a national and internation level is a game of cards. I wont pick fights with anyone or any government for failed policies, merely expect them to make a better shot at it next time round. I think you will be hard pushed to find true Anti-American sentiment over here, at least amongst the average European. I summed up what most of the world dislikes with in my initial post - it is nothing more (Middle Eastern and Third World nations aside). Sure there are extremes, as there are with anything, but the opposite certainly isn't the norm. I find it intriguing to hear how Americans seem to belive the Britons believe we are superior in terms of society and culture. Whilst I could argue that we are in terms of the ground we stand on, I won't 'cause I don't believe it for a moment, and I have yet to meet a single person who does (strangely these topics do come up from time to time). The illusion of elitism comes largely from the other side of the pond. (I emphasised "largely" because of course it is not all-inclusive). America can best be summed up as a religion - it has the same pros and cons in all respects. As to "our" media, I would argue that we probably do have a better all-round global news reportage based on our proximity to much of it. Much of this news will be of no interest to the average American. Likewise, we do not receive every American news story in our media. This is neither a good nor a bad thing for either "side". Now, regarding the British reaction to Princess Diana's death, I fail to see how this parallel can be drawn in the context of that article. Princess Diana, though before my time, was a focal point for the British public of the day; someone to look up, to for reasons I was not brought up to realise. However, based on the people I have met in my life, the average reaction to the ne -
David Wulff wrote: Racists are the first to cry "racist". Cheats are the first to cry "cheat". Liars are the first to cry "liar". And so, it seems, Americans are the first to cry "David dislikes us". You are making this up only to fuel your anger that I believe originated from many other things way besides the current topic. Your own words are the reasons I believe you hate Americans. Let's see, how did they go? "I hate Americans." That's what you said. How else would one interpret that when it's mixed with so many negative comments towards us? David Wulff wrote: Every time I open my mouth in the Lounge I can see you rolling your eyes and disapproving without bothering to listen. I'm being honest here man. This is your own insecurities talking. Up until now I have always listened to what you had to say, but I tired of your (and many others) insistent bashing of the US. David Wulff wrote: More particular to the States, however, I do dislike the belief that everybody and Joe’s sister “wants in” on the US of A. Nobody said you did want to be here. Everyone has their home. I want to visit the world, but the US is my home. And, I appreciate/respect that you feel the same way about the UK. David Wulff wrote: If you continue to turn every paltry topic into a battle for air I am simply not going to waste any more of my time contributing. This would seem lighthearted to you because something you care for is not being insulted. It's not coincidental that the Americans tend to get upset on CP. How about we rally up everyone and start talking about how Brits do so poorly in this and in that, over and over again you hear this for months on end. Then, after enough time has passed what would you think and do? David Wulff wrote: Change the record people, please, please. I have been asking this for so long now, but it hasn't happened. Jeremy L. Falcon "It's in the mail." Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
Surely some striving souls survive symptomatic stress?Before I start by repeating my text of the past few days a further time, take note of what I have just said. You have just typed an elaborate reply at me, not to me. Additionaly, also take note that I am not alone in what I say here. I may be the one to stand up and poke my head through the crowd, but that does not make me a single voice. As I have said I have had e-mails from several different members of this community who wish to remain anonymous to avoid the heat, and often find responses coming in to posts made over a week ago just to keep them out of the spotlight. Whilst I respect a person's right to do this, it is obviously a little anoying, though the evidence is there if you care to research it. Anyway... Jeremy Falcon wrote: You are making this up It is a well known and conclusivly proven fact, actually, in the three cases I have used. The latter is based on observation. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Your own words are the reasons I believe you hate Americans. I have stated in as many words that I hate one thing and one thing only, and whilst I hold that thought close to my heart it has nothing to do with nationality or petty arguments based on such. Jeremy Falcon wrote: "I hate Americans." That's what you said. Was that in the same sentance that I said "I hate my mother and wish death to all Jews"? No come on, enlighten me, 'cause I can't see the difference. Jeremy Falcon wrote: How else would one interpret that when it's mixed with so many negative comments towards us? I want to remain civil so I can keep this constructive, so read this in a lowered tone. For fÙcks sake man, can you read? I challenge you to build some "negative scales" and place any negative Americanesq comments made by myself on one side and those regarding other nations on the other. I would bet money the scales would fall quickly to the right. This is what I was talking about when I say you (and in this case I am referring directly to you, Jeremy) do not listen to what I say - only to what you want me to say. Again, I can only repeat "David doesn't like Pepsi - he is anti-American". Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm being honest here man. This is your own insecurities talking Oh of course, why didn't I think of that! No it's not, and you know it's not. I have had people say to me what prompted you to write that response, it is not just my ow
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Here is an interesting editorial by an Australian woman who currently lives in NY. It's worth a read. Mike Mullikin "Thank you America, every night I see increasingly stupid things happening here in Australia. Then you come along and top it." - Michael Martin - The Lounge :bob:
What does this mean ? Islam has a proud history of expansionism Statements like that, can only start baseless fear and hatred. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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happened, that must be America's fault" (unless it is), but Americans are all too able to turn anything against them. I can do the same, anybody here could do the same, but do we? No. Why? I feel I have already exaplined this. U.S. foreign policyis highly destructive and sanctimonious, but at the same time it can often be the complete opposite. Politics - on a national and internation level is a game of cards. I wont pick fights with anyone or any government for failed policies, merely expect them to make a better shot at it next time round. I think you will be hard pushed to find true Anti-American sentiment over here, at least amongst the average European. I summed up what most of the world dislikes with in my initial post - it is nothing more (Middle Eastern and Third World nations aside). Sure there are extremes, as there are with anything, but the opposite certainly isn't the norm. I find it intriguing to hear how Americans seem to belive the Britons believe we are superior in terms of society and culture. Whilst I could argue that we are in terms of the ground we stand on, I won't 'cause I don't believe it for a moment, and I have yet to meet a single person who does (strangely these topics do come up from time to time). The illusion of elitism comes largely from the other side of the pond. (I emphasised "largely" because of course it is not all-inclusive). America can best be summed up as a religion - it has the same pros and cons in all respects. As to "our" media, I would argue that we probably do have a better all-round global news reportage based on our proximity to much of it. Much of this news will be of no interest to the average American. Likewise, we do not receive every American news story in our media. This is neither a good nor a bad thing for either "side". Now, regarding the British reaction to Princess Diana's death, I fail to see how this parallel can be drawn in the context of that article. Princess Diana, though before my time, was a focal point for the British public of the day; someone to look up, to for reasons I was not brought up to realise. However, based on the people I have met in my life, the average reaction to the ne
David Wulff wrote: What does scapegoatism have to do with anything, if that is even a word? Nah, its not a real word, but scapegoat is. scapegoat is short for escape goat and is a biblical reference to part of the "Yom Kippur" ceremony where one goat was allowed to escape :-) with no punishment. But now we have reversed the meaning to show punishment for something that the goat was not guilty for. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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David Wulff wrote: What does scapegoatism have to do with anything, if that is even a word? Nah, its not a real word, but scapegoat is. scapegoat is short for escape goat and is a biblical reference to part of the "Yom Kippur" ceremony where one goat was allowed to escape :-) with no punishment. But now we have reversed the meaning to show punishment for something that the goat was not guilty for. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
****Colin Davies wrote: Nah, its not a real word, but scapegoat is. Oh I knew what scapegoat means, I was just trying to use it in a sense of "the act of blaming a scapegoat", hence the ism. ****Colin Davies wrote: scapegoat is short for escape goat and is a biblical reference to part of the "Yom Kippur" ceremony where one goat was allowed to escape :) with no punishment This "Bible" thing everyone keeps reffering to... it has Leviticus, a guy named John and goats? Sheesh - you guys could have told me it was cheap prono! ;P (Signature people, signature!) ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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****Colin Davies wrote: Nah, its not a real word, but scapegoat is. Oh I knew what scapegoat means, I was just trying to use it in a sense of "the act of blaming a scapegoat", hence the ism. ****Colin Davies wrote: scapegoat is short for escape goat and is a biblical reference to part of the "Yom Kippur" ceremony where one goat was allowed to escape :) with no punishment This "Bible" thing everyone keeps reffering to... it has Leviticus, a guy named John and goats? Sheesh - you guys could have told me it was cheap prono! ;P (Signature people, signature!) ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
David Wulff wrote: (Signature people, signature!) Quotable though it was, I think it doesn't count when you're working for it..... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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Before I start by repeating my text of the past few days a further time, take note of what I have just said. You have just typed an elaborate reply at me, not to me. Additionaly, also take note that I am not alone in what I say here. I may be the one to stand up and poke my head through the crowd, but that does not make me a single voice. As I have said I have had e-mails from several different members of this community who wish to remain anonymous to avoid the heat, and often find responses coming in to posts made over a week ago just to keep them out of the spotlight. Whilst I respect a person's right to do this, it is obviously a little anoying, though the evidence is there if you care to research it. Anyway... Jeremy Falcon wrote: You are making this up It is a well known and conclusivly proven fact, actually, in the three cases I have used. The latter is based on observation. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Your own words are the reasons I believe you hate Americans. I have stated in as many words that I hate one thing and one thing only, and whilst I hold that thought close to my heart it has nothing to do with nationality or petty arguments based on such. Jeremy Falcon wrote: "I hate Americans." That's what you said. Was that in the same sentance that I said "I hate my mother and wish death to all Jews"? No come on, enlighten me, 'cause I can't see the difference. Jeremy Falcon wrote: How else would one interpret that when it's mixed with so many negative comments towards us? I want to remain civil so I can keep this constructive, so read this in a lowered tone. For fÙcks sake man, can you read? I challenge you to build some "negative scales" and place any negative Americanesq comments made by myself on one side and those regarding other nations on the other. I would bet money the scales would fall quickly to the right. This is what I was talking about when I say you (and in this case I am referring directly to you, Jeremy) do not listen to what I say - only to what you want me to say. Again, I can only repeat "David doesn't like Pepsi - he is anti-American". Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm being honest here man. This is your own insecurities talking Oh of course, why didn't I think of that! No it's not, and you know it's not. I have had people say to me what prompted you to write that response, it is not just my ow
David Wulff wrote: For fÙcks sake man I consider your admirable command of Latin characters to be an arrogant affront to my life, my country, my taste in music, my prefered flavor of icecream, my pet, and all i hold dear. :mad: --------
I am not a connoisseur.
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What does this mean ? Islam has a proud history of expansionism Statements like that, can only start baseless fear and hatred. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
I think it's what's called a truism - something that has the ring of truth and therefore excuses a world of error. Especially as the Islamic peope most bent on expansion nowadays are just trying to get their land back..... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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David Wulff wrote: For fÙcks sake man I consider your admirable command of Latin characters to be an arrogant affront to my life, my country, my taste in music, my prefered flavor of icecream, my pet, and all i hold dear. :mad: --------
I am not a connoisseur.
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You forgot your hair style, Bob tattoo and your sister's cousin. :| ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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David Wulff wrote: (Signature people, signature!) Quotable though it was, I think it doesn't count when you're working for it..... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
I'm not entirely sure what you meant by that, but I will take the safe route by saying "Dammit". :~ ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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You forgot your hair style, Bob tattoo and your sister's cousin. :| ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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You think i don't hold those things dear? This is just the arrogant attitude i was referring to. :suss: --------
I am not a connoisseur.
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I'm not going to bite, Shog. ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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I'm not going to bite, Shog. ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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David Wulff wrote: Racists are the first to cry "racist". Cheats are the first to cry "cheat". Liars are the first to cry "liar". And so, it seems, Americans are the first to cry "David dislikes us". You are making this up only to fuel your anger that I believe originated from many other things way besides the current topic. Your own words are the reasons I believe you hate Americans. Let's see, how did they go? "I hate Americans." That's what you said. How else would one interpret that when it's mixed with so many negative comments towards us? David Wulff wrote: Every time I open my mouth in the Lounge I can see you rolling your eyes and disapproving without bothering to listen. I'm being honest here man. This is your own insecurities talking. Up until now I have always listened to what you had to say, but I tired of your (and many others) insistent bashing of the US. David Wulff wrote: More particular to the States, however, I do dislike the belief that everybody and Joe’s sister “wants in” on the US of A. Nobody said you did want to be here. Everyone has their home. I want to visit the world, but the US is my home. And, I appreciate/respect that you feel the same way about the UK. David Wulff wrote: If you continue to turn every paltry topic into a battle for air I am simply not going to waste any more of my time contributing. This would seem lighthearted to you because something you care for is not being insulted. It's not coincidental that the Americans tend to get upset on CP. How about we rally up everyone and start talking about how Brits do so poorly in this and in that, over and over again you hear this for months on end. Then, after enough time has passed what would you think and do? David Wulff wrote: Change the record people, please, please. I have been asking this for so long now, but it hasn't happened. Jeremy L. Falcon "It's in the mail." Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
Surely some striving souls survive symptomatic stress?Jeremy Falcon wrote: I believe you hate Americans. Let's see, how did they go? "I hate Americans." That's what you said. Where and in what context ? Jeremy Falcon wrote: but I tired of your (and many others) insistent bashing of the US. And we're tired of your assumption that the US can do no wrong, that any comment in any negative light of anything originating from the USA is US bashing. Jeremy Falcon wrote: This would seem lighthearted to you because something you care for is not being insulted. David is right - being an American is a religion and therefore beyond reasonable discussion. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002