Lean Software Development
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
Nirosh wrote:
Anyone who has already implemented this?..
I am only looking into it. Mostly because I think I can get management behind lean support since we have a lean working group trying to make the production process of everything lean. Agile people just roll their eyes at, but lean, their eyes grow wide with, "we want lean, tell me more." Any input would be welcome on this end as well.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
A friend of mine has just become a team leader. He asked me to get him an Agile book from Amazon ( we combine orders often ). I told him to wait a week and there would be a new buzzword he could throw around the office, Agile has been around too long, some projects will have failed by now using Agile, and the search will be on for a new magic bullet. Looks like I should have made a bet on it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
Try using common sense instead. It's been employed since dawn of time, and is still going strong...
-- Smell-o-vision users, insert nostril tubes now
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Try using common sense instead. It's been employed since dawn of time, and is still going strong...
-- Smell-o-vision users, insert nostril tubes now
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Try using common sense instead.
Good advice, but what make you think that I am not using it??
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
I'm sorry if it sounded like I'm implying that you are not using common sense. I did not mean that. :) What I meant was that you should use common sense rather than the current buzzwords. Whenever a new methodology comes around, most of it is old ideas with new names. It has just been formalized and ready to create book sales.
-- Fun for the whole family - except grandma and grandpa
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Try using common sense instead. It's been employed since dawn of time, and is still going strong...
-- Smell-o-vision users, insert nostril tubes now
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
Nirosh wrote:
Anyone who has already implemented this?
Been doin' it for years. Take a class written by some other developer, cut out about half the code, fix the bugs in the remaining code, and check it back in. Lean. Also, if you care about comments, Mean. But that's really old hat. Wanna know what's really kewl? :suss: Anorexic Software Development. It's like "lean", but better. You start out with a broken program, and just keep removing bits 'till it works. However (and this is the real good bit), you never write new code. Also, you never accept that it's "good enough" - in fact, the ASD mantra is, "it's never good enough, it's never small enough". Other important rules of ASD:
- You're never done for the day. How can you bear to sleep, with that massive program just sitting there, all bloated and grotesque...
- You never build in DEBUG. Symbols and checking code doubling the size? You must be insane! You sloppy beast.
- You never complement another developers work. If he'd actually done a good job, there'd be nothing to complement. Anyway, shouldn't you be busy removing code? Stop jawing and get to it!
So yeah, i'm giving discounts on in-house training for ASD - limited time only. So order already, you sloppy beasts... :rolleyes:
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i hope you are feeling sleepy for people not calling you by the same.
--BarnaKol on abusive words
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I'm sorry if it sounded like I'm implying that you are not using common sense. I did not mean that. :) What I meant was that you should use common sense rather than the current buzzwords. Whenever a new methodology comes around, most of it is old ideas with new names. It has just been formalized and ready to create book sales.
-- Fun for the whole family - except grandma and grandpa
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
What I meant was that you should use common sense rather than the current buzzwords. Whenever a new methodology comes around, most of it is old ideas with new names. It has just been formalized and ready to create book sales.
I am 99% with you, but there is that critical one percent, the space a real invention emerge, if you think like this, you may miss the bus mate.. :-). By the way, I didn't hear anything new in that discussion
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
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A friend of mine has just become a team leader. He asked me to get him an Agile book from Amazon ( we combine orders often ). I told him to wait a week and there would be a new buzzword he could throw around the office, Agile has been around too long, some projects will have failed by now using Agile, and the search will be on for a new magic bullet. Looks like I should have made a bet on it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Are they called magic bullets because no matter where you aim they end up in your foot? :rolleyes:
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
Oh goody! Another development model I can rip into. I've been suffering so bad, you know, since nothing's been going on since Agile. Yay! :jig: Look out Lean Software Development. The Lean, Mean, Marc Machine is COMING!!! Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Are they called magic bullets because no matter where you aim they end up in your foot? :rolleyes:
LOL - that must be it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Because whatever you're smoking, those links are, well, seeming nothing to do with any software development paradigm. That last one qualifies as lean though. There's not a single comment in hundreds of pages of source code. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
Nirosh wrote:
Anyone who has already implemented this?..
No, but I know a few people that have imbibed it. LSD, that is. How could anyone come up with a methodology that is associated with hallucinegenics? I have my 2008 April Fool's Day article topic now! Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
Sounds like an opportunity to jump on a new fad before it's been completely discredited. I think I'll pass.
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Hi All, I got a chance to participate (here in NC\Charlotte) to a discussion on the above topic yesterday mainly driven by Tom and Mary.. and Lean is what Toyota use too, and some leading software companies already looking into this concept.. It is likely to override Agile.. Anyone who has already implemented this?..
L.W.C. Nirosh. Colombo, Sri Lanka.
LSD is from the same cadre that brought us Six Sigma. Likely it suffers from the same problem: trying to apply control theory intended for controllable processes to the fundamentally uncontrollable process of software development. Agile wrapped in Six Sigma mindset. What a downer.
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Nirosh wrote:
Anyone who has already implemented this?..
I am only looking into it. Mostly because I think I can get management behind lean support since we have a lean working group trying to make the production process of everything lean. Agile people just roll their eyes at, but lean, their eyes grow wide with, "we want lean, tell me more." Any input would be welcome on this end as well.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
"Lean" would be the absense of arbitrary / contrived / artifical design or implementation paradigms developed by PhDs for the sole purpose of generating consulting fees or book sales. :)
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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"Lean" would be the absense of arbitrary / contrived / artifical design or implementation paradigms developed by PhDs for the sole purpose of generating consulting fees or book sales. :)
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
"Lean" would be the absense of arbitrary / contrived / artifical design or implementation paradigms developed by PhDs for the sole purpose of generating consulting fees or book sales.
well, actually, Lean is a business practice that has been around a while. The defense has already had Lean mandates, so for me it is just easier to get Management to listen if I call it Lean than if I call it Agile. Beyond a few business buzz-words, a good deal of it is common sense, just a rigid methodology for attempting to recognize common sense. After all, you have to include "Sales and Marketing" in the list of people who have to understand it. ;) http://www.defenselink.mil/transformation/articles/2004-11/ta111904e.html[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)