Why does it have to be THIS slow
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If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Why does VS2005 have to take 10 minutes of my time just to build the designer surface so I can add just one field to it? This really sucks!! Pfew, that helped. Now to get my computer fast enough again to do the operation I wanted to do in markup and codebehind. It always seems to work faster and better without designer...
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
Mine locked up in a build yesterday for over an hour and I finally had to kill it through task manager through the process window since any other way said that it had to stop building before I could close it and cancelling the build didnt work. It happened because I was copying code and changing it so I didnt have to type everything over again and I guess it was just too much to handle.
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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Mine locked up in a build yesterday for over an hour and I finally had to kill it through task manager through the process window since any other way said that it had to stop building before I could close it and cancelling the build didnt work. It happened because I was copying code and changing it so I didnt have to type everything over again and I guess it was just too much to handle.
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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yup, you guessed it. I see I'm not alone in this.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
WillemM wrote:
I see I'm not alone in this.
Definitely. I quit using the designer long ago. :sigh: It's faster if you just type the code (intellisense is quite good) and test the page directly in the browser. Moreover, if you use ASP.NET AJAX, you cannot use the desiger for most of the "container" controls (Accordion, Tabs, ...). I hope Orcas will improve this part of the development.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Why does VS2005 have to take 10 minutes of my time just to build the designer surface so I can add just one field to it? This really sucks!! Pfew, that helped. Now to get my computer fast enough again to do the operation I wanted to do in markup and codebehind. It always seems to work faster and better without designer...
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
Web developers the world over thank the gods the VS ASP.NET designers are so crap they are barely usable. It means whoever was going to use it is forced to deal with actual code and, while not always true, that can lead to better code. Not the crap the designers output.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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blech, I can understand that the designers aren't all that. But compiling a project should be a piece of cake.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
Are you using 2005 style web projects? The ones without the .*proj file?
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Why does VS2005 have to take 10 minutes of my time just to build the designer surface so I can add just one field to it? This really sucks!! Pfew, that helped. Now to get my computer fast enough again to do the operation I wanted to do in markup and codebehind. It always seems to work faster and better without designer...
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
Because you don't have enough RAM and a slow disk?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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Why does VS2005 have to take 10 minutes of my time just to build the designer surface so I can add just one field to it? This really sucks!! Pfew, that helped. Now to get my computer fast enough again to do the operation I wanted to do in markup and codebehind. It always seems to work faster and better without designer...
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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Web developers the world over thank the gods the VS ASP.NET designers are so crap they are barely usable. It means whoever was going to use it is forced to deal with actual code and, while not always true, that can lead to better code. Not the crap the designers output.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Are you using 2005 style web projects? The ones without the .*proj file?
Yep, and this is probably one of the things that make it so slow. Makes me think of a new article on my blog. A sort of summary why you should the normal website implementation. Although I doubt the designer is any faster there.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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Yep, some crappy intel 915 card. But it's the building process itself(Building txtRecipient... texts in the statusbar) that makes it so slow.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
I may be due to the card using some of the RAM. I have a similar problem on one machine at work, and it's not an issue with the other. They both have the same processors, but one has a video card on the board, and the other has a dedicated card. Guess which one doesn't have a problem.
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WillemM wrote:
I see I'm not alone in this.
Definitely. I quit using the designer long ago. :sigh: It's faster if you just type the code (intellisense is quite good) and test the page directly in the browser. Moreover, if you use ASP.NET AJAX, you cannot use the desiger for most of the "container" controls (Accordion, Tabs, ...). I hope Orcas will improve this part of the development.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki
Don't count on orcas, it has the same problems and adds even more gimmics to the designer. I personally think code editors are way more cool then the designer. I had similar experiences with XAML editing in VS2005 and I stopped using the designer there also. In the end it's all coming down to how well you understand the code and the framework to be able to build great software.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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Because you don't have enough RAM and a slow disk?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistTell me when they release the Core 10 Duo and the first terabyte RAM chips are available so I can upgrade and start editing My Cat's Home On The Interwebs website with the designer... :P
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Yep, some crappy intel 915 card. But it's the building process itself(Building txtRecipient... texts in the statusbar) that makes it so slow.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
WillemM wrote:
Yep, some crappy intel 915 card. But it's the building process itself
I think the question was asked two-fold. 1) having on-board graphics means your actual memory is reduced. 2) you are sharing the memory bandwidth with the graphics subsystem which means even a clock ticking, or the presence of a mouse cursor slows down every application you have as the updated to the graphics subsystem plows through and occupies a constant portion of the limited I/O to memory. Thus it may be the building process itself, but it could be slowed because of a mouse cursor and on-board graphics hogging your memory. On board graphics means that to produce video, of even something as simple as a mouse cursor, resources like memory (and often CPU) are stolen to produce the video. You would like to use those resources, but they might not be there to be used, or at least a portion missing. I would ask something else to narrow it down though.... is the CPU at 100% or less during a build? All operations are bottlenecked somewhere. If it is bottlenecked at the CPU you have 100% CPU use. If it is bottlenecked at the I/O elsewhere in the system (memory, disk) then the CPU will not be maxed out. If your CPU is maxed at 100% during any build process you can then check your process list and see the distribution, 99% +-should be going to build process. If you see 15% going to the graphics driver for onboard graphics, then you know that the graphics subsystem is stealing resources from your build. Tracking down memory or disk bound operations gets trickier. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Why does VS2005 have to take 10 minutes of my time just to build the designer surface so I can add just one field to it? This really sucks!! Pfew, that helped. Now to get my computer fast enough again to do the operation I wanted to do in markup and codebehind. It always seems to work faster and better without designer...
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
It takes 0.2 seconds for me...and I'm talking about a P4 Dell machine at work, not my personal desktop at home :)
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Yep, and this is probably one of the things that make it so slow. Makes me think of a new article on my blog. A sort of summary why you should the normal website implementation. Although I doubt the designer is any faster there.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
Yeah, the stock 2005 website projects get slower and slower if you use decent practices like lots of modules. Throw third party binary dependencies into the mix and you have a nightmare as the web project compiler resets its compilation every time it finds a dependency with a higher version. Good for a mom and pop website, awful for a professional web application of any scale. Has to be one of the worst design decisions MS has made recently.
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Tell me when they release the Core 10 Duo and the first terabyte RAM chips are available so I can upgrade and start editing My Cat's Home On The Interwebs website with the designer... :P
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Core 10? What an odd number. It's not even a power of two! But IIRC you were more of a dog person anyway (and didn't like the differentiation in "cat persons" and "dog persons"), so I might suspect you are not 100% serious :cool:
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist -
Because you don't have enough RAM and a slow disk?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist1GB of ram and 3.0Ghz, normally this should be enough to edit ASP.NET websites. But it seems the designer is slow no matter what machine you throw at it. I even used a Dual Xeon 2.8Ghz with 4GB of memory (My home machine) and still it's slow.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson