VB as a tool
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I am surprised from all of these answers, I thought there was a larger anti-VB sentiment.:) Maybe it is just the few people that really hate VB stand-out. They must have had a bad run-in with a VB developer and continue to dwell in the past:)
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Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!I prefer C++, but when you have to use a "tool" like PowerBuilder (at work), VB is a god-send. Like it or not, I'm right.
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Is the general concensus on CP that VB is an inferior language. or Does anybody look at it as a tool that can be used effectively under the right circumstances?
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Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!VB as a language is inferior, but as a RAD tool can be very useful sometimes. I really fail to understand why there is no real RAD environment for C++. :confused: I vote pro drink :beer:
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VB as a language is inferior, but as a RAD tool can be very useful sometimes. I really fail to understand why there is no real RAD environment for C++. :confused: I vote pro drink :beer:
There is Borland's C++ Builder, however I developed with this for a year with verison 4.0, and I thought it was a piece of crap. C++ Builder created their own windows library components that you use which is call Visual Component Library. VCL is actually the object's that are used in Delphi. I still prefer Visual Basic for a RAD. RAD - Rabid Application Development:)
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Is the general concensus on CP that VB is an inferior language. or Does anybody look at it as a tool that can be used effectively under the right circumstances?
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!kilowatt wrote: general concensus Is a general concensus the same as a general consensus ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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There is Borland's C++ Builder, however I developed with this for a year with verison 4.0, and I thought it was a piece of crap. C++ Builder created their own windows library components that you use which is call Visual Component Library. VCL is actually the object's that are used in Delphi. I still prefer Visual Basic for a RAD. RAD - Rabid Application Development:)
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!Maybe I should have said: "I really fail to understand why there is no decent RAD environment for C++." :) I vote pro drink :beer:
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VB as a language is inferior, but as a RAD tool can be very useful sometimes. I really fail to understand why there is no real RAD environment for C++. :confused: I vote pro drink :beer:
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: I really fail to understand why there is no real RAD environment for C++. Wrong! We have Borland C++ Builder 6 (this fully suports Partial Template Specialization) and IBM Visual Age C++ version ;P Concerning Borland C++ Builder 6, I'm waiting the FREE personal edition of it , to play with :-) And the Kylix C++ version for linux too :rolleyes: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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Maybe I should have said: "I really fail to understand why there is no decent RAD environment for C++." :) I vote pro drink :beer:
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Maybe I should have said: "I really fail to understand why there is no decent RAD environment for C++." Point well taken.:)
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kilowatt wrote: general concensus Is a general concensus the same as a general consensus ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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I think I may be the only VB programmer on here.:) Of course, I use VB.Net, so I am just as effective as any of you are. ;P David Stone dstone@newcenturytitle.com
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I think I may be the only VB programmer on here.:) Of course, I use VB.Net, so I am just as effective as any of you are. ;P David Stone dstone@newcenturytitle.com
MEEKNESS, n. Uncommon patience in planning a revenge that is worth while. The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose BierceDavid Stone wrote: Of course, I use VB.Net, so I am just as effective as any of you are. As effective as any C# programmers you mean ? Or any other CLR language except C++. Managed C++ is in fact faster than VB/C#, it is optimised. And native C++ canes them all. But as I often say to Paul Watson ( who uses VB ), just because you've made a poor choice in terms of programming language does not mean we think any less of you, so don't fret about it :-) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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Is the general concensus on CP that VB is an inferior language. or Does anybody look at it as a tool that can be used effectively under the right circumstances?
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!I'd go both. VB sucks, VBScript is worse, VB.NET is an intermediate step and VB will die within the next two iterations of Visual Studio. However, if you have the right COM components on hand, it's very good at throwng something together quickly, it's also good for people who are not smart enough to cope with the fact that C++ is taught wrong almost universally ( as C with classes instead as C++ ), or who simply want to learn to program in a more 'supportive' environment. It's an inferior language, no question. But I still think C# is inferior to C++ ( but give me C# over VB any day ). I am learning C# because of ASP.NET, it will be an effective tool for that purpose. Languages are tools, that does not make them all equal, but it also means the inferior ones have some uses. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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I am surprised from all of these answers, I thought there was a larger anti-VB sentiment.:) Maybe it is just the few people that really hate VB stand-out. They must have had a bad run-in with a VB developer and continue to dwell in the past:)
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!The "anti-VB sentiment" is actually that it supports a coding style that is not suitable for complex and team projects. In less pc words: VB attracts and promotes lots of coders with very low design&development skills, and learning basic can be a major step away from true enlightment as taught by C++ gurus, The OO Family, the Delphi Dolphins, the Project Managment crew, and basically everybody who has experience with large-scale and/or commercial quality development.
The earth is not dying. It is being killed.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Maybe I should have said: "I really fail to understand why there is no decent RAD environment for C++." Point well taken.:)
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
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David Stone wrote: Of course, I use VB.Net, so I am just as effective as any of you are. As effective as any C# programmers you mean ? Or any other CLR language except C++. Managed C++ is in fact faster than VB/C#, it is optimised. And native C++ canes them all. But as I often say to Paul Watson ( who uses VB ), just because you've made a poor choice in terms of programming language does not mean we think any less of you, so don't fret about it :-) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Argghhh...this didn't reply to my post. It replied to the post under it. This happened to me earlier. Wonder why. Oh well. I forgot that Paul does VB too. David Stone dstone@newcenturytitle.com
MEEKNESS, n. Uncommon patience in planning a revenge that is worth while. The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce -
Is the general concensus on CP that VB is an inferior language. or Does anybody look at it as a tool that can be used effectively under the right circumstances?
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!I think both your points are correct. VB is an inferior language, but as a quick and dirty testing tool for COM components written in C++ it's damn good. It's lack of unsigned integers or longs is a complete pain in the ass for a lot of work i've ever done with it.
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Is the general concensus on CP that VB is an inferior language. or Does anybody look at it as a tool that can be used effectively under the right circumstances?
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!I've dissed VB in the past - sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. My view is that VB is like a nice big meaty sledgehammer. You can get a ton of stuff done really quickly but it's sometimes tricky to get the fiddly bits right. In that respect it's a wonderful tool. As a language I think it's time it was retired. It's too hobbled and compromised by legacy issues. Why have VB when C# is available? cheers, Chris Maunder
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I've dissed VB in the past - sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. My view is that VB is like a nice big meaty sledgehammer. You can get a ton of stuff done really quickly but it's sometimes tricky to get the fiddly bits right. In that respect it's a wonderful tool. As a language I think it's time it was retired. It's too hobbled and compromised by legacy issues. Why have VB when C# is available? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I've dissed VB in the past - sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. I agree fully. Coopers, Cascade, Boags etc. are much better IMNSHO. :-D Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002
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Chris Maunder wrote: I've dissed VB in the past - sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. I agree fully. Coopers, Cascade, Boags etc. are much better IMNSHO. :-D Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002
I had a cascade (actually a few of 'em) for the first time in ages on Saturday. Not as good as I remember them to be. James Squire and Bavaria is probably my pick at the moment. cheers, Chris Maunder
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I had a cascade (actually a few of 'em) for the first time in ages on Saturday. Not as good as I remember them to be. James Squire and Bavaria is probably my pick at the moment. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I had a cascade (actually a few of 'em) for the first time in ages on Saturday. Not as good as I remember them to be. James Squire and Bavaria is probably my pick at the moment. James Squire is good especially the Porter but it is a bit on the expensive side and you can't buy it by the case for a decent price that I have found. If you like Bavaria have you tried Hollandia the other cheap imported beer from the Netherlands. I have been drinking Raffles (from Singapoer) of late as I can get 2 x 12 pack for $20.00 and it is a pleasant tasting beer. Still if I could only drink one beer forever more I would have to be Coopers Extra Stout if bottled was chosen or the Old Admiral from the Lord Nelson if tap beer was up. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002
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Is the general concensus on CP that VB is an inferior language. or Does anybody look at it as a tool that can be used effectively under the right circumstances?
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!I consider it an inferior language, but it can still be used effectively under the right circumstances. Bruce Duncan CP#9088, CPUA 0xA1EE, Sonork 100.10030
Hi everyone. My name's Bruce. And I suffer from VB.