Java runtime intranet installation? [found it, sort of]
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So, is this[^] the only way to obtain a Java runtime installation package, that doesn't require Internet connectivity? :sigh: Why, oh why, is this so difficult? [edit] I found this[^] link (as Rohde also pointed out) but I can't figure out how to get there from the home page unless Java is not actually already installed. I'm trying really hard here not to criticize the general "we hate Microsoft" community, but this is so friggin' typical of these sites. [/edit] Marc -- modified at 11:17 Monday 2nd July, 2007
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So, is this[^] the only way to obtain a Java runtime installation package, that doesn't require Internet connectivity? :sigh: Why, oh why, is this so difficult? [edit] I found this[^] link (as Rohde also pointed out) but I can't figure out how to get there from the home page unless Java is not actually already installed. I'm trying really hard here not to criticize the general "we hate Microsoft" community, but this is so friggin' typical of these sites. [/edit] Marc -- modified at 11:17 Monday 2nd July, 2007
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So, is this[^] the only way to obtain a Java runtime installation package, that doesn't require Internet connectivity? :sigh: Why, oh why, is this so difficult? [edit] I found this[^] link (as Rohde also pointed out) but I can't figure out how to get there from the home page unless Java is not actually already installed. I'm trying really hard here not to criticize the general "we hate Microsoft" community, but this is so friggin' typical of these sites. [/edit] Marc -- modified at 11:17 Monday 2nd July, 2007
hum, you probably ended on a wrong page. i usually download it, but being careful that i get the "off line" installer...
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hum, you probably ended on a wrong page. i usually download it, but being careful that i get the "off line" installer...
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toxcct wrote:
i usually download it, but being careful that i get the "off line" installer...
I've been unable to find an offline installer or the option to download and save the installer. It just installs! Grrr... Marc
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toxcct wrote:
i usually download it, but being careful that i get the "off line" installer...
I've been unable to find an offline installer or the option to download and save the installer. It just installs! Grrr... Marc
what version do you want to get ? also do you want the full JDK, or only the JRE ? [edit] here is for you[^] hope you'll find what's you're after :) [/edit]
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So, is this[^] the only way to obtain a Java runtime installation package, that doesn't require Internet connectivity? :sigh: Why, oh why, is this so difficult? [edit] I found this[^] link (as Rohde also pointed out) but I can't figure out how to get there from the home page unless Java is not actually already installed. I'm trying really hard here not to criticize the general "we hate Microsoft" community, but this is so friggin' typical of these sites. [/edit] Marc -- modified at 11:17 Monday 2nd July, 2007
Marc Clifton wrote:
So, is this[^] the only way to obtain a Java runtime installation package, that doesn't require Internet connectivity?
IIRC, you can download and install it once and just copy the whole directory to other computers. Java apparently needs no registry entries and other configuration settings (JAVA_HOME as environment variable may be useful, though).
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Ed.Poore wrote:
:rolleyes:
I once had a Java person argue that point with me. He even wrote a Java program to prove it was faster and easier than C/C++, when it was done he showed it and said, "see? Java is fast and easy!" I asked, "you did all of that in Java from the ground up?" ... No, he had used Java to call C compiled DLLs.... So Java runs fast and is easy as long as you treat it only as a batch call to C compiled routines.... :doh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Ed.Poore wrote:
:rolleyes:
I once had a Java person argue that point with me. He even wrote a Java program to prove it was faster and easier than C/C++, when it was done he showed it and said, "see? Java is fast and easy!" I asked, "you did all of that in Java from the ground up?" ... No, he had used Java to call C compiled DLLs.... So Java runs fast and is easy as long as you treat it only as a batch call to C compiled routines.... :doh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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So, is this[^] the only way to obtain a Java runtime installation package, that doesn't require Internet connectivity? :sigh: Why, oh why, is this so difficult? [edit] I found this[^] link (as Rohde also pointed out) but I can't figure out how to get there from the home page unless Java is not actually already installed. I'm trying really hard here not to criticize the general "we hate Microsoft" community, but this is so friggin' typical of these sites. [/edit] Marc -- modified at 11:17 Monday 2nd July, 2007
What about just downloading the offline installation package? Download Java Software[^]
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
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Ed.Poore wrote:
:rolleyes:
I once had a Java person argue that point with me. He even wrote a Java program to prove it was faster and easier than C/C++, when it was done he showed it and said, "see? Java is fast and easy!" I asked, "you did all of that in Java from the ground up?" ... No, he had used Java to call C compiled DLLs.... So Java runs fast and is easy as long as you treat it only as a batch call to C compiled routines.... :doh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Java is easier than C/C++. It might not be faster than C++ in many situation, but in many many situations it's fast enough. You should all thank Java; withouth it MS fanboys would have one less thing to bash.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand -
Java is easier than C/C++. It might not be faster than C++ in many situation, but in many many situations it's fast enough. You should all thank Java; withouth it MS fanboys would have one less thing to bash.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn RandRohde wrote:
but in many many situations it's fast enough
True, but the right tool for the right job. Does a Java programmer switch to C++ when performance drops? No, he suggests buying a faster machine. I've heard that from my team too, don't performance program, suggest faster hardware.... :doh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Java is easier than C/C++. It might not be faster than C++ in many situation, but in many many situations it's fast enough. You should all thank Java; withouth it MS fanboys would have one less thing to bash.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn RandRohde wrote:
Java is easier than C/C++.
Thats opinion not fact, I personally think c++ is easier.
Rohde wrote:
You should all thank Java; withouth it MS fanboys would have one less thing to bash.
How many times has Microsoft been mentioned so far in this thread? Twice, and it was you who brought it up.
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-Matt Newman
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So, is this[^] the only way to obtain a Java runtime installation package, that doesn't require Internet connectivity? :sigh: Why, oh why, is this so difficult? [edit] I found this[^] link (as Rohde also pointed out) but I can't figure out how to get there from the home page unless Java is not actually already installed. I'm trying really hard here not to criticize the general "we hate Microsoft" community, but this is so friggin' typical of these sites. [/edit] Marc -- modified at 11:17 Monday 2nd July, 2007
Marc Clifton wrote:
Why, oh why, is this so difficult?
I tried running the 64-bit version on my desktop for school work (yes I have had to do java for school :mad: ). I took me forever to get anything to run, and when I did get it running it wasn't stable.
Please visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/ and do something special today.
-Matt Newman
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Rohde wrote:
but in many many situations it's fast enough
True, but the right tool for the right job. Does a Java programmer switch to C++ when performance drops? No, he suggests buying a faster machine. I've heard that from my team too, don't performance program, suggest faster hardware.... :doh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
True, but the right tool for the right job.
I totally agree. I don't program in Java myself but I've found it to be good enough in those few situations I've encountered it.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand -
Rohde wrote:
Java is easier than C/C++.
Thats opinion not fact, I personally think c++ is easier.
Rohde wrote:
You should all thank Java; withouth it MS fanboys would have one less thing to bash.
How many times has Microsoft been mentioned so far in this thread? Twice, and it was you who brought it up.
Please visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/ and do something special today.
-Matt Newman
Matt Newman wrote:
Thats opinion not fact, I personally think c++ is easier.
I don't agree. Some of Java features simply makes some stuff much easier than C++, and honestly I think a majority of programmers would agree. That doesn't mean Java is better than C++ but it means that the disrespect for Java's influence on the development ecosystem is not just misplaced but lauhghable (and I'm not even a Java programmer!)
Matt Newman wrote:
How many times has Microsoft been mentioned so far in this thread? Twice, and it was you who brought it up.
It's fact that most of you guys feel so great if you can diss Java (and VB). Herd mentality just sucks.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand -
What about just downloading the offline installation package? Download Java Software[^]
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn RandRohde wrote:
What about just downloading the offline installation package?
Finally found that link a bit ago too. Under "not your operating system". Sigh. That was obvious. Marc
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Matt Newman wrote:
Thats opinion not fact, I personally think c++ is easier.
I don't agree. Some of Java features simply makes some stuff much easier than C++, and honestly I think a majority of programmers would agree. That doesn't mean Java is better than C++ but it means that the disrespect for Java's influence on the development ecosystem is not just misplaced but lauhghable (and I'm not even a Java programmer!)
Matt Newman wrote:
How many times has Microsoft been mentioned so far in this thread? Twice, and it was you who brought it up.
It's fact that most of you guys feel so great if you can diss Java (and VB). Herd mentality just sucks.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn RandRohde wrote:
It's fact that most of you guys feel so great if you can diss Java (and VB). Herd mentality just sucks.
Tell your sob story to your garbage collector... you can't handle the memory management... you best stop now script kiddie or you might end up having pointer nightmares.
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Rohde wrote:
What about just downloading the offline installation package?
Finally found that link a bit ago too. Under "not your operating system". Sigh. That was obvious. Marc
Yeah, it's a bit strange I agree - I think it's because they are trying to install it automatically on your system, and if you've already got it installed (as in your case) it can be a puzzle finding the download package.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
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Rohde wrote:
It's fact that most of you guys feel so great if you can diss Java (and VB). Herd mentality just sucks.
Tell your sob story to your garbage collector... you can't handle the memory management... you best stop now script kiddie or you might end up having pointer nightmares.
Thanks for the concern :-D but I don't program in Java. I do program in C# though which has a GC, but I also program quite a lot in C++ and I have no problem with manual memory management, but it's still a waste of my time doing manuel memory management if I don't really need the speed it buys me - it's more useful spending time domain programming/modelling. But hey I guess some of you need the ego boost you get from new/delete/RAII and other idioms.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand -
Thanks for the concern :-D but I don't program in Java. I do program in C# though which has a GC, but I also program quite a lot in C++ and I have no problem with manual memory management, but it's still a waste of my time doing manuel memory management if I don't really need the speed it buys me - it's more useful spending time domain programming/modelling. But hey I guess some of you need the ego boost you get from new/delete/RAII and other idioms.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn RandRohde wrote:
but it's still a waste of my time doing manuel memory management if I don't really need the speed it buys me - it's more useful spending time domain programming/modelling. But hey I guess some of you need the ego boost you get from new/delete/RAII and other idioms.
Ah.... you are a true visionary :rolleyes: The free lunch is OVER script kiddies days are numbered :-D :jig: :jig: :-D