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  • L Lost User

    What part of christianity did they misinterpret?

    The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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    lost in transition
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    Trying to present demons as the cause of everything bad. Now, with that said I am not taking away from the common goal of demons but I am saying that Man has a freewill and that can cause bad things to happen in our life.


    God Bless, Jason

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      Trying to present demons as the cause of everything bad. Now, with that said I am not taking away from the common goal of demons but I am saying that Man has a freewill and that can cause bad things to happen in our life.


      God Bless, Jason

      Paul Conrad wrote:

      Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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      So when people get an illness like cancer it is not caused by demons but by freewill?

      The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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        So when people get an illness like cancer it is not caused by demons but by freewill?

        The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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        Come on Kyle - you can troll better than that. :rolleyes:

        Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"

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          So when people get an illness like cancer it is not caused by demons but by freewill?

          The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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          First of all, good try at trying to twist my words. Let me try to give a couple of examples: 1) Lung cancer- can be caused by smoking -this is freewill 2) Lung cancer- can be caused by no outside influence such as smoking but by the curse on Man brought about by Adam. -this section would be for people that have not accepted Christ 3) Lung cancer- can be caused by a demon when someone harbors anger or offense in their heart against someone. -this is where both a saved and unsaved person can get into trouble. I am not suggesting that the are punished but that, when a person gets outside the Commandments that person is fair game to demons. Think of it like this The Commandments are a super umbrella that is keeping out of hyper-active acid as long as you are under the umbrella you are fine but if you get outside of it you get burned. When I say an unsaved person I mean one that was heard the Law but has refused it.


          God Bless, Jason

          Paul Conrad wrote:

          Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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            First of all, good try at trying to twist my words. Let me try to give a couple of examples: 1) Lung cancer- can be caused by smoking -this is freewill 2) Lung cancer- can be caused by no outside influence such as smoking but by the curse on Man brought about by Adam. -this section would be for people that have not accepted Christ 3) Lung cancer- can be caused by a demon when someone harbors anger or offense in their heart against someone. -this is where both a saved and unsaved person can get into trouble. I am not suggesting that the are punished but that, when a person gets outside the Commandments that person is fair game to demons. Think of it like this The Commandments are a super umbrella that is keeping out of hyper-active acid as long as you are under the umbrella you are fine but if you get outside of it you get burned. When I say an unsaved person I mean one that was heard the Law but has refused it.


            God Bless, Jason

            Paul Conrad wrote:

            Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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            jason_lakewhitney wrote:

            1. Lung cancer- can be caused by no outside influence such as smoking but by the curse on Man brought about by Adam. -this section would be for people that have not accepted Christ

            Sorry to intrude on your fun here. I usually just read thru the Soapbox & move on, but could you explain this? So if I'm not christian, a non smoker & generally nice guy, and I happen to get lung cancer, it's because some guy who may or may not be real decided to eat some fruit thousands of years ago?

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              jason_lakewhitney wrote:

              1. Lung cancer- can be caused by no outside influence such as smoking but by the curse on Man brought about by Adam. -this section would be for people that have not accepted Christ

              Sorry to intrude on your fun here. I usually just read thru the Soapbox & move on, but could you explain this? So if I'm not christian, a non smoker & generally nice guy, and I happen to get lung cancer, it's because some guy who may or may not be real decided to eat some fruit thousands of years ago?

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              lintybits wrote:

              some guy

              Not just "some guy" but God's original human creation. Your great-great-[ad infinitum]-grand father.

              lintybits wrote:

              who may or may not be real

              Oh he's real - otherwise you wouldn't be here. :doh:

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              decided to

              No, he was tricked into it by a demonic snake and a naked broad.

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              some fruit

              Not just "some fruit" but a sacred apple forbidden by the big guy himself. Geeeesh! Why is this so hard for people to accept!? :rolleyes:

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                lintybits wrote:

                some guy

                Not just "some guy" but God's original human creation. Your great-great-[ad infinitum]-grand father.

                lintybits wrote:

                who may or may not be real

                Oh he's real - otherwise you wouldn't be here. :doh:

                lintybits wrote:

                decided to

                No, he was tricked into it by a demonic snake and a naked broad.

                lintybits wrote:

                some fruit

                Not just "some fruit" but a sacred apple forbidden by the big guy himself. Geeeesh! Why is this so hard for people to accept!? :rolleyes:

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                Makes much more sense now. I always figured cancer was from the sun god who was angry because of the lack of human sacrifices, I never considered the naked woman in the garden with the apple. :~

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                  First of all, good try at trying to twist my words. Let me try to give a couple of examples: 1) Lung cancer- can be caused by smoking -this is freewill 2) Lung cancer- can be caused by no outside influence such as smoking but by the curse on Man brought about by Adam. -this section would be for people that have not accepted Christ 3) Lung cancer- can be caused by a demon when someone harbors anger or offense in their heart against someone. -this is where both a saved and unsaved person can get into trouble. I am not suggesting that the are punished but that, when a person gets outside the Commandments that person is fair game to demons. Think of it like this The Commandments are a super umbrella that is keeping out of hyper-active acid as long as you are under the umbrella you are fine but if you get outside of it you get burned. When I say an unsaved person I mean one that was heard the Law but has refused it.


                  God Bless, Jason

                  Paul Conrad wrote:

                  Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                  At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh. We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.

                  This statement was never false.

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                    lintybits wrote:

                    some guy

                    Not just "some guy" but God's original human creation. Your great-great-[ad infinitum]-grand father.

                    lintybits wrote:

                    who may or may not be real

                    Oh he's real - otherwise you wouldn't be here. :doh:

                    lintybits wrote:

                    decided to

                    No, he was tricked into it by a demonic snake and a naked broad.

                    lintybits wrote:

                    some fruit

                    Not just "some fruit" but a sacred apple forbidden by the big guy himself. Geeeesh! Why is this so hard for people to accept!? :rolleyes:

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                    Did you get your laptop open?

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                      jason_lakewhitney wrote:

                      1. Lung cancer- can be caused by no outside influence such as smoking but by the curse on Man brought about by Adam. -this section would be for people that have not accepted Christ

                      Sorry to intrude on your fun here. I usually just read thru the Soapbox & move on, but could you explain this? So if I'm not christian, a non smoker & generally nice guy, and I happen to get lung cancer, it's because some guy who may or may not be real decided to eat some fruit thousands of years ago?

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                      Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it. Man was made prefect and was not meant to be sick. God gave Man a freewill with a Blessing and only one rule was laid out for him, not to eat of the fruit. At that time Man was higher than the Devil and his mob, but after Man disobeyed God he fell under the Devil, by that Man cursed himself. That is to say, God gave the instruction and what the effect of not following the instruction would be. So look at the umbrella, as long as Man followed the instruction Man was under God's umbrella. When Man stepped out from underneath that umbrella, Man was fair game to result.

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                      who may or may not be real

                      I understand what you are saying here. IMO, from the experiences in my life and the fact that I have tried to disprove the Bible in my life. I have found it true and that it works as it says it does. Think of this though: What was Mona Lisa thinking while she was sitting there? How do you know that there is not life on another planet? Have you ever lost a loved one like a parent or grandparent? -Prove that you loved them. There are somethings that you have to take on faith.


                      God Bless, Jason

                      Paul Conrad wrote:

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                        Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it. Man was made prefect and was not meant to be sick. God gave Man a freewill with a Blessing and only one rule was laid out for him, not to eat of the fruit. At that time Man was higher than the Devil and his mob, but after Man disobeyed God he fell under the Devil, by that Man cursed himself. That is to say, God gave the instruction and what the effect of not following the instruction would be. So look at the umbrella, as long as Man followed the instruction Man was under God's umbrella. When Man stepped out from underneath that umbrella, Man was fair game to result.

                        lintybits wrote:

                        who may or may not be real

                        I understand what you are saying here. IMO, from the experiences in my life and the fact that I have tried to disprove the Bible in my life. I have found it true and that it works as it says it does. Think of this though: What was Mona Lisa thinking while she was sitting there? How do you know that there is not life on another planet? Have you ever lost a loved one like a parent or grandparent? -Prove that you loved them. There are somethings that you have to take on faith.


                        God Bless, Jason

                        Paul Conrad wrote:

                        Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                        You have faith that there is not life on another planet? Based on the drake equation the probability of there being more than one planet with intelligent life in the milky way is almost 1, not to mention all the other billions of galaxies...

                        The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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                          Did you get your laptop open?

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                          Red Stateler wrote:

                          Did you get your laptop open?

                          Nope. Found a local shop to do it at a reasonable cost.

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                            lintybits wrote:

                            some guy

                            Not just "some guy" but God's original human creation. Your great-great-[ad infinitum]-grand father.

                            lintybits wrote:

                            who may or may not be real

                            Oh he's real - otherwise you wouldn't be here. :doh:

                            lintybits wrote:

                            decided to

                            No, he was tricked into it by a demonic snake and a naked broad.

                            lintybits wrote:

                            some fruit

                            Not just "some fruit" but a sacred apple forbidden by the big guy himself. Geeeesh! Why is this so hard for people to accept!? :rolleyes:

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                            Mike Mullikin wrote:

                            he was tricked

                            Eve was deceived, Adam was n

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                            sacred apple

                            ot. Where does it say that it was an apple?


                            God Bless, Jason

                            Paul Conrad wrote:

                            Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                              You have faith that there is not life on another planet? Based on the drake equation the probability of there being more than one planet with intelligent life in the milky way is almost 1, not to mention all the other billions of galaxies...

                              The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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                              Being completely unfamiliar with the "Drake Equation[^]", I looked into it on Wikipedia. It took me all of 3 seconds looking at the equation to know that it's a pile of BS. It's a string of unknown and unverifiable (through current means) numbers multiplied together to get a number (not a probability) of planets with intelligent life. Michael Chriton's quote at the bottom of the page seems about right to me: "Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."

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                                Mike Mullikin wrote:

                                he was tricked

                                Eve was deceived, Adam was n

                                Mike Mullikin wrote:

                                sacred apple

                                ot. Where does it say that it was an apple?


                                God Bless, Jason

                                Paul Conrad wrote:

                                Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                                jason_lakewhitney wrote:

                                Where does it say that it was an apple?

                                Where does it say it wasn't? Isn't there a famous biblical painting that shows it as an apple?

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                                  You have faith that there is not life on another planet? Based on the drake equation the probability of there being more than one planet with intelligent life in the milky way is almost 1, not to mention all the other billions of galaxies...

                                  The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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                                  string name = "" wrote:

                                  You have faith that there is not life on another planet?

                                  I did not state a comment in either direction.


                                  God Bless, Jason

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                                  Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                                    jason_lakewhitney wrote:

                                    Where does it say that it was an apple?

                                    Where does it say it wasn't? Isn't there a famous biblical painting that shows it as an apple?

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                                    Mike Mullikin wrote:

                                    Where does it say it wasn't?

                                    Where does it say it was?

                                    Mike Mullikin wrote:

                                    Isn't there a famous biblical painting that shows it as an apple?

                                    What painting?


                                    God Bless, Jason

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                                    Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                                      At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh. We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.

                                      This statement was never false.

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                                      Chris-Kaiser wrote:

                                      At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh.

                                      Yes and no. After accepting Christ into your life and being filled with the spirit of truth, you then have the authority to bound demons.

                                      Chris-Kaiser wrote:

                                      We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.

                                      That is pretty much what I had stated.


                                      God Bless, Jason

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                                      Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                                        Being completely unfamiliar with the "Drake Equation[^]", I looked into it on Wikipedia. It took me all of 3 seconds looking at the equation to know that it's a pile of BS. It's a string of unknown and unverifiable (through current means) numbers multiplied together to get a number (not a probability) of planets with intelligent life. Michael Chriton's quote at the bottom of the page seems about right to me: "Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."

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                                        You have all the answers don't you.

                                        The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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                                          string name = "" wrote:

                                          You have faith that there is not life on another planet?

                                          I did not state a comment in either direction.


                                          God Bless, Jason

                                          Paul Conrad wrote:

                                          Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                                          I have often wondered how would you react, being a christian, if microbial life was discovered on Mars or Europa, or if a planet was discovered around another star that had life? Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?

                                          The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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