Another irrefutable argument for creation
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At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh. We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh.
Yes and no. After accepting Christ into your life and being filled with the spirit of truth, you then have the authority to bound demons.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.
That is pretty much what I had stated.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Being completely unfamiliar with the "Drake Equation[^]", I looked into it on Wikipedia. It took me all of 3 seconds looking at the equation to know that it's a pile of BS. It's a string of unknown and unverifiable (through current means) numbers multiplied together to get a number (not a probability) of planets with intelligent life. Michael Chriton's quote at the bottom of the page seems about right to me: "Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."
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string name = "" wrote:
You have faith that there is not life on another planet?
I did not state a comment in either direction.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
I have often wondered how would you react, being a christian, if microbial life was discovered on Mars or Europa, or if a planet was discovered around another star that had life? Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh.
Yes and no. After accepting Christ into your life and being filled with the spirit of truth, you then have the authority to bound demons.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.
That is pretty much what I had stated.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
Where is it written in the bible that if you are not saved then demons can blight you? What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible. This is all hyperbole.
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You have all the answers don't you.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
No, but I have a good nose for BS.
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I have often wondered how would you react, being a christian, if microbial life was discovered on Mars or Europa, or if a planet was discovered around another star that had life? Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
The Garden of Eden has to be somewhere, doesn't it?
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I have often wondered how would you react, being a christian, if microbial life was discovered on Mars or Europa, or if a planet was discovered around another star that had life? Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
string name = "" wrote:
I have often wondered how would you react
Why are you wondering about me?
string name = "" wrote:
Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
How would it discount the Genesis story?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Where is it written in the bible that if you are not saved then demons can blight you? What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible. This is all hyperbole.
Before I answer please clarify:
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
blight
Do you mean attack?
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible.
What is the question?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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This is about the most ignorant argument for creationism that I have seen yet. http://www.demonbuster.com/id.html From the site: Evolution theory (with no scientific proof) - in recent times, man has been arguing about where HUMANS/LIFE came from. But no one is asking - WHO put the world here? WHERE did mountains come from? WHERE did the oceans come from? WHERE did the sun and moon and other planets come from? WHO put all this stuff there? Seems like these questions override where humans/life came from, and gives the real answer - a Higher Power - Intelligent Design - God!
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
As long as we're posting random inflammatory quotes from religious nuts. "Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads…." - Martin Luther The more things change...
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Where does it say it wasn't?
Where does it say it was?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Isn't there a famous biblical painting that shows it as an apple?
What painting?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Before I answer please clarify:
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
blight
Do you mean attack?
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible.
What is the question?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
Well, if I must. But a cursory lookup of Blight should have been enough. A blight is akin to cancer. You had specifically mentioned cancer. That you could get cancer from demon actions against you. I call bullshit. This is a fallacious interpretation of scripture. And that's all it can be is an interpretation. I am asking you directly what verses of scripture that you draw your conclusions from. The mind of man is unassailable by demons both through the spirit of truth that poured out on Pentacost and by the fact that Jesus quenched the rebellion through his incarnation. He bound them. He conquered. So, quote me some scripture. This is something that always bugs me, alot of fellow Christians, including many pastors, read more into scripture than what's there.
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string name = "" wrote:
I have often wondered how would you react
Why are you wondering about me?
string name = "" wrote:
Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
How would it discount the Genesis story?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it. Man was made prefect and was not meant to be sick. God gave Man a freewill with a Blessing and only one rule was laid out for him, not to eat of the fruit. At that time Man was higher than the Devil and his mob, but after Man disobeyed God he fell under the Devil, by that Man cursed himself. That is to say, God gave the instruction and what the effect of not following the instruction would be. So look at the umbrella, as long as Man followed the instruction Man was under God's umbrella. When Man stepped out from underneath that umbrella, Man was fair game to result.
lintybits wrote:
who may or may not be real
I understand what you are saying here. IMO, from the experiences in my life and the fact that I have tried to disprove the Bible in my life. I have found it true and that it works as it says it does. Think of this though: What was Mona Lisa thinking while she was sitting there? How do you know that there is not life on another planet? Have you ever lost a loved one like a parent or grandparent? -Prove that you loved them. There are somethings that you have to take on faith.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it.
Yeah it sounds wrong, but it happens. Does that mean the only possible explanation is Adam? I'm familiar with the genesis creation story, but I don't remember the timeline. How long of a period was it between man being cast out of the garden & the birth of christ?
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it.
Yeah it sounds wrong, but it happens. Does that mean the only possible explanation is Adam? I'm familiar with the genesis creation story, but I don't remember the timeline. How long of a period was it between man being cast out of the garden & the birth of christ?
lintybits wrote:
How long of a period
~4000 years
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it.
Yeah it sounds wrong, but it happens. Does that mean the only possible explanation is Adam? I'm familiar with the genesis creation story, but I don't remember the timeline. How long of a period was it between man being cast out of the garden & the birth of christ?
No precise time line can be established from the text because the genealogies don't necessarily include every generation. The term usually translated 'son of' is equivalent to 'descendent of' or perhaps even 'of the tribe of'. On the other hand if you insert 1000 years for each step where a direct father son relationship can't be established you're still stretching to get more than a few tens of thousands of years. This fits easily enough with the unadjusted earth age data from ice and sediment cores of around about 25000 years. You did ask and I fully expect to get flamed and deluged with links to learned, bearded demi gods insisting on figures of billions of years. As you might guess I have no interest in such Iatolahs. :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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No precise time line can be established from the text because the genealogies don't necessarily include every generation. The term usually translated 'son of' is equivalent to 'descendent of' or perhaps even 'of the tribe of'. On the other hand if you insert 1000 years for each step where a direct father son relationship can't be established you're still stretching to get more than a few tens of thousands of years. This fits easily enough with the unadjusted earth age data from ice and sediment cores of around about 25000 years. You did ask and I fully expect to get flamed and deluged with links to learned, bearded demi gods insisting on figures of billions of years. As you might guess I have no interest in such Iatolahs. :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Then please do explain petrified wood and its process of becoming opals.
This statement was never false.
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Well, if I must. But a cursory lookup of Blight should have been enough. A blight is akin to cancer. You had specifically mentioned cancer. That you could get cancer from demon actions against you. I call bullshit. This is a fallacious interpretation of scripture. And that's all it can be is an interpretation. I am asking you directly what verses of scripture that you draw your conclusions from. The mind of man is unassailable by demons both through the spirit of truth that poured out on Pentacost and by the fact that Jesus quenched the rebellion through his incarnation. He bound them. He conquered. So, quote me some scripture. This is something that always bugs me, alot of fellow Christians, including many pastors, read more into scripture than what's there.
Okay, first of all one of the biggest problems in Christianity is division, and I am not trying to cause this. We are saying the same thing, you just haven't seen that yet.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
That you could get cancer from demon actions against you.
Was not Job afflicted by the Devil?
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
He bound them. He conquered.
Yes, completely agree but when does a person began to inherit that victory? I am not trying to say that demons have power over us. What I am saying is that, if we give room or opportunity to demons they will exercise what power they have.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
So, quote me some scripture.
What would you like? I shall research it to night when I get home and post back.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Well, if I must. But a cursory lookup of Blight should have been enough. A blight is akin to cancer. You had specifically mentioned cancer. That you could get cancer from demon actions against you. I call bullshit. This is a fallacious interpretation of scripture. And that's all it can be is an interpretation. I am asking you directly what verses of scripture that you draw your conclusions from. The mind of man is unassailable by demons both through the spirit of truth that poured out on Pentacost and by the fact that Jesus quenched the rebellion through his incarnation. He bound them. He conquered. So, quote me some scripture. This is something that always bugs me, alot of fellow Christians, including many pastors, read more into scripture than what's there.
Scripture does not spell out the powers or the limitations of Demons beyond making clear that the devil himself is chained, i.e. limited, but not impotent. In fact it specifically forbids investigation into this area of knowledge under the ban on divination. It is neither wise nor safe. How do you support your claim that the evil one has no purchase on the minds of the unsaved since the resurrection? This is clearly not so, possession still occurs today and the Devil is far from impotent in the world and the minds of men. The teachings of Jesus make it crystal clear that not all will be saved, many will take the broad road to destruction. If evil had no hold on anyone born in the last 2000 years we would already be living in paradise.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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No precise time line can be established from the text because the genealogies don't necessarily include every generation. The term usually translated 'son of' is equivalent to 'descendent of' or perhaps even 'of the tribe of'. On the other hand if you insert 1000 years for each step where a direct father son relationship can't be established you're still stretching to get more than a few tens of thousands of years. This fits easily enough with the unadjusted earth age data from ice and sediment cores of around about 25000 years. You did ask and I fully expect to get flamed and deluged with links to learned, bearded demi gods insisting on figures of billions of years. As you might guess I have no interest in such Iatolahs. :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Actually, 25000 yrs was a lot longer than I was expecting. I was just wondering where genesis fit in with the creation myths of other cultures. If it can be traced back to the last ice age then it lines up pretty well. I've always been of the opinion that different religions are just interpretations of the same story with different characters, and all the my god can kick your god's ass is meaningless since it all stems from the same thing. Now I'm going back to the lounge before I'm branded a leftist athiest.
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I'll take "Things that are dumb for $1000, Alex". Another name for teenagers with too much free time that insist on posting ridiculous religious topics just to inflame and/or troll SoapBox-style message boards. What are "dumbasses". Correct for $1000!
Now THAT'S FUNNY!!! ROFLMAO :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Very imaginitive!!
John P.