21st Century Socialism
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18046.htm[^] Well worth a read.
informationclearinghouse :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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I love America. I'd call someone who shits all over the Bill of Rights a traitor before someone exercising their right to dissent. Dissent is what makes a true American. Falling in line, keeping your head down, and being a good little consumer might work for you and your friends in the cul-de-sac, but it's what's allowed this country to fall so far. Thanks a lot for nothing, just keep your head down, real Americans will get us out of this mess without help from the loyalist fringe.
You don't love America, what you love is the European Social welfare state you want to turn it into. If what you are saying about Bush is true, than it has been true of nearly every president we have ever had, and most of the people who have ever fought and died for this country. You do not represent anything even remotely in keeping with what this country was intended to be. You are a traitor to every single principle it was established to achieve. Of course, the sad part is that you are simply too ignorant to understand that. A sad little brainwashed child who thinks he knows something because he read it on the internet. What a goddamend joke.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
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AndyKEnz :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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I love America. I'd call someone who shits all over the Bill of Rights a traitor before someone exercising their right to dissent. Dissent is what makes a true American. Falling in line, keeping your head down, and being a good little consumer might work for you and your friends in the cul-de-sac, but it's what's allowed this country to fall so far. Thanks a lot for nothing, just keep your head down, real Americans will get us out of this mess without help from the loyalist fringe.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
I love America.
But you'd rather spend time defending a South American Marxist who confiscates property from corporations and who is willing to throw anyone out of the country who disagrees with him and who has suspended his own country's constituition, instead of doing something that proves your "love". Ya. that's cool.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
I'd call someone who shits all over the Bill of Rights a traitor before someone exercising their right to dissent.
As a constituitional authority I am certain you have page after page of such shitting. Have you forwarded that documentation to your representative so he / she can institute impeachment proceedings? Or are you willing to just whine and show your support for a dictator?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Falling in line, keeping your head down, and being a good little consumer might work for you and your friends in the cul-de-sac
How is life in your section 8 housing? I hear they have very few cul-de-sacs there.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
but it's what's allowed this country to fall so far.
Fall? The last time I checked, this fallen country: Lets losers whine in a public forum allows march on our capital hoisting treasonus signs in support of the country's enemies Is one of the very few true world powers Is a financial powerhouse Permits religous and political speech in a public forum Goes to the rescue of virtually any nation in crisis, not all but nearly so. oh, ya, it also: legally listens in to over seas calls made to or from known enemies of the country. incarcerates non-uniformed enemies captured on a battlefield, preventing them from killing members of our all volunteer fighting force. supports an all volunteer army to protect idiot whiners along with patriots and individuals who simply want to live a safe and free live.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Dissent is what makes a true American.
So then neo-Nazis, who clearly dissent against the US government, are exceptional Americans? "Dissent" does not make a true American (all Americans dissent against aspects of American government). However, its content and extremity can certainly make someone a traitor.
I don't know, why don't you ask them at your next meeting?
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I don't know, why don't you ask them at your next meeting?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
I don't know, why don't you ask them at your next meeting?
So that's your response? You spout rhetoric that basically describes neo-Nazis as superior Americans and, when challenged, you call me a neo-Nazi? That sheds a lot of light on just how brainwashed you are.
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18046.htm[^] Well worth a read.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Well worth a read.
Wow: "Bill Clinton, the most violent president of the late 20th century. " Gotta love it. Real objective truth here. Clinton - more violent than Kennedy, Johnson, Truman, Roosevelt, Bush Sr., Reagan, et. al. That was the most laughable piece of pure propaganda I think I've ever read.
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You don't love America, what you love is the European Social welfare state you want to turn it into. If what you are saying about Bush is true, than it has been true of nearly every president we have ever had, and most of the people who have ever fought and died for this country. You do not represent anything even remotely in keeping with what this country was intended to be. You are a traitor to every single principle it was established to achieve. Of course, the sad part is that you are simply too ignorant to understand that. A sad little brainwashed child who thinks he knows something because he read it on the internet. What a goddamend joke.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You don't love America, what you love is the European Social welfare state you want to turn it into.
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich. Hell, you're on welfare if you listen to the beleaguered ultra-rich that have to carry you on tax day.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If what you are saying about Bush is true
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Stan Shannon wrote:
and most of the people who have ever fought and died for this country.
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You do not represent anything even remotely in keeping with what this country was intended to be.
You don't know anything about me, and you never will. You can't begin to tell me what I represent, since the concept of subtlety and nuance is so alien to you. If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie". If I fear for my rights and speak out against what is fast becoming a tyrannical government I am a "traitor". Keep calling names, it has served your party so well!
Stan Shannon wrote:
A sad little brainwashed child who thinks he knows something because he read it on the internet. What a goddamend joke.
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lost his favorite toy: control of American politics. You have likely never lived in an inner city. Chances are, you have few minority friends, have never even approached the breadth of life experience I have enjoyed. Have you ever roped cattle from horseback? Ever live
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You don't love America, what you love is the European Social welfare state you want to turn it into.
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich. Hell, you're on welfare if you listen to the beleaguered ultra-rich that have to carry you on tax day.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If what you are saying about Bush is true
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Stan Shannon wrote:
and most of the people who have ever fought and died for this country.
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You do not represent anything even remotely in keeping with what this country was intended to be.
You don't know anything about me, and you never will. You can't begin to tell me what I represent, since the concept of subtlety and nuance is so alien to you. If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie". If I fear for my rights and speak out against what is fast becoming a tyrannical government I am a "traitor". Keep calling names, it has served your party so well!
Stan Shannon wrote:
A sad little brainwashed child who thinks he knows something because he read it on the internet. What a goddamend joke.
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lost his favorite toy: control of American politics. You have likely never lived in an inner city. Chances are, you have few minority friends, have never even approached the breadth of life experience I have enjoyed. Have you ever roped cattle from horseback? Ever live
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
since the concept of subtlety and nuance is so alien to you
:laugh: Oh crap...I think I just peed my pants.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
I love America.
But you'd rather spend time defending a South American Marxist who confiscates property from corporations and who is willing to throw anyone out of the country who disagrees with him and who has suspended his own country's constituition, instead of doing something that proves your "love". Ya. that's cool.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
I'd call someone who shits all over the Bill of Rights a traitor before someone exercising their right to dissent.
As a constituitional authority I am certain you have page after page of such shitting. Have you forwarded that documentation to your representative so he / she can institute impeachment proceedings? Or are you willing to just whine and show your support for a dictator?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Falling in line, keeping your head down, and being a good little consumer might work for you and your friends in the cul-de-sac
How is life in your section 8 housing? I hear they have very few cul-de-sacs there.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
but it's what's allowed this country to fall so far.
Fall? The last time I checked, this fallen country: Lets losers whine in a public forum allows march on our capital hoisting treasonus signs in support of the country's enemies Is one of the very few true world powers Is a financial powerhouse Permits religous and political speech in a public forum Goes to the rescue of virtually any nation in crisis, not all but nearly so. oh, ya, it also: legally listens in to over seas calls made to or from known enemies of the country. incarcerates non-uniformed enemies captured on a battlefield, preventing them from killing members of our all volunteer fighting force. supports an all volunteer army to protect idiot whiners along with patriots and individuals who simply want to live a safe and free live.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
But you'd rather spend time defending a South American Marxist who confiscates property from corporations and who is willing to throw anyone out of the country who disagrees with him and who has suspended his own country's constituition, instead of doing something that proves your "love".
My life as an American consists of more than just this forum. The fact that you don't think yours does is more telling than you think. Post your way to loyalty, Internet American!
Mike Gaskey wrote:
As a constituitional authority I am certain you have page after page of such shitting.
Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, Git'mo, etc. Come on, don't try this burden of proof thing, we all know Bush has shat on the Constitution.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
How is life in your section 8 housing? I hear they have very few cul-de-sacs there.
Ha ha, wanna compare W-4s sometime? I stayed in the city because I could afford to. I didn't have to live in the boonies to secure the lifestyle I wanted. Sorry you live in a cultural wasteland, but the meth your neighbors are cooking up should keep your kids entertained.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Fall? The last time I checked, this fallen country:
Man, what was I thinking? America is better than ever! I only wish we could elect Bush for a third term, assuming I'm not in jail for posting this message!
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Humility and liberalism are both halmarks of Catholic thinking. Of course, you're so out-of-step with Rome you probably forgot.
Liberalism advocates Godless government in lieu of Catholicism (or any other religion). Pope John Paul, before he died, expressed concern that the EU's increasingly liberal government would soon legislate the Vatican out of existence. I hardly think think John Paul considered that to be a "hallmark of Catholic thinking".
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
When Bush walks on civil liberties, it's patriotic. Even when he does it in someone else's country!
What are "civil liberties" to you? Anything that offends the liberal ethic? If so, I certainly hope he takes the time to take a dump while he tramples on them.
Red Stateler wrote:
Liberalism advocates Godless government in lieu of Catholicism (or any other religion).
Uh, no, that's Socialism. Liberalism is a term used to describe a platform of humanity and concern for people over posessions. Sorry you're a cafeteria Catholic. How's your opinion on Capital Punishment coming? In line with the Vatican yet? What about your disregard for the Geneva Conventions? Spoken to your priest about how that makes you a lapsed Catholic? Who am I kidding, you probably haven't been to Mass since Easter.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
I don't know, why don't you ask them at your next meeting?
So that's your response? You spout rhetoric that basically describes neo-Nazis as superior Americans and, when challenged, you call me a neo-Nazi? That sheds a lot of light on just how brainwashed you are.
My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an asshole. The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Liberalism advocates Godless government in lieu of Catholicism (or any other religion).
Uh, no, that's Socialism. Liberalism is a term used to describe a platform of humanity and concern for people over posessions. Sorry you're a cafeteria Catholic. How's your opinion on Capital Punishment coming? In line with the Vatican yet? What about your disregard for the Geneva Conventions? Spoken to your priest about how that makes you a lapsed Catholic? Who am I kidding, you probably haven't been to Mass since Easter.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Uh, no, that's Socialism. Liberalism is a term used to describe a platform of humanity and concern for people over posessions.
Uh no. That term is "compassion". "Liberalism", as used in the United States (my understanding is that it equates more closely to conservatism in Europe) refers to adherence towards New Deal (i.e. Marxist) principles. That means statism, federal social (i.e. socialist) policies, etc... It is the belief, which you hold, that government should displace personal decisions when it comes to matters of charity and that it should do so forcefully. That is so antithetical to Catholicism that John Paul actively joined Reagan and Thatcher in fighting communism.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
How's your opinion on Capital Punishment coming? In line with the Vatican yet?
I believe that's a political state's rights issue and not my view is not in line with the Vatican's. Nor does it have to be.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
What about your disregard for the Geneva Conventions?
I think the Geneva Conventions are great. I also know that Bush didn't violate that treaty. I'm sure you have been convinced otherwise since you're so clearly brainwashed.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Spoken to your priest about how that makes you a lapsed Catholic?
Have you spoken to your priest about your belief that the state should displace him? What does he think about that?
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My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an asshole. The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an a**hole.
Well, I'll agree that, since I played devil's advocate and adopted your position for argument's sake, that I am arguing absurdities.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
And the absurdity is magnified. You "glad the Nazis are there"??? Doesn't that set off any alarm bells that your worldview requires you to be "glad the Nazis are there"? The "question everything" bumper sticker politics is, as you have pointed out, absurd. In reality, dissent doesn't make you a good American, but rather the quality of your opinions. Those can either be in line with or dissentious to government, depending on the quality of the government. However, since you seem to advocate an socialist "security" state at the expense of freedom, I'd say that your opinions are of a very lowly caliber and, since they contradict the purpose of our country and advocate a radically changed state, I'd classify them as traitorous.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You don't love America, what you love is the European Social welfare state you want to turn it into.
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich. Hell, you're on welfare if you listen to the beleaguered ultra-rich that have to carry you on tax day.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If what you are saying about Bush is true
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Stan Shannon wrote:
and most of the people who have ever fought and died for this country.
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You do not represent anything even remotely in keeping with what this country was intended to be.
You don't know anything about me, and you never will. You can't begin to tell me what I represent, since the concept of subtlety and nuance is so alien to you. If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie". If I fear for my rights and speak out against what is fast becoming a tyrannical government I am a "traitor". Keep calling names, it has served your party so well!
Stan Shannon wrote:
A sad little brainwashed child who thinks he knows something because he read it on the internet. What a goddamend joke.
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lost his favorite toy: control of American politics. You have likely never lived in an inner city. Chances are, you have few minority friends, have never even approached the breadth of life experience I have enjoyed. Have you ever roped cattle from horseback? Ever live
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich.
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes and I'll join your little communist revolution.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Bullshit. Bush is acting well within the traditional historic parameters of commander in chief. If anything, he has been unfortunantly circumspect in his use of power. Your ilk are simply using a national crisis and tragedy to further your vile leftist agenda at his, and the nation's, expense. You are, in fact, condmening the entire history of this country its culture and its traditions to further that agenda.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Your grandfather and father fought for precisely the same principles the Bush administration is attempting to promote in Iraq. You are worse than I thought. You are a traitor to your own flesh and blood.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie".
You're defending an avowed communist against the efforts of your own country to attempt to deal with him, and I'm not supposed to respond to that? In the US our fellow men are supposed to help themselves without being renedered dependent on a caretaker government. Thats the American way. That is what your family has always fought for. (until you came along).
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lo
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My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an asshole. The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity. What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an a**hole.
Well, I'll agree that, since I played devil's advocate and adopted your position for argument's sake, that I am arguing absurdities.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
And the absurdity is magnified. You "glad the Nazis are there"??? Doesn't that set off any alarm bells that your worldview requires you to be "glad the Nazis are there"? The "question everything" bumper sticker politics is, as you have pointed out, absurd. In reality, dissent doesn't make you a good American, but rather the quality of your opinions. Those can either be in line with or dissentious to government, depending on the quality of the government. However, since you seem to advocate an socialist "security" state at the expense of freedom, I'd say that your opinions are of a very lowly caliber and, since they contradict the purpose of our country and advocate a radically changed state, I'd classify them as traitorous.
Red Stateler wrote:
I'd say that your opinions are of a very lowly caliber and, since they contradict the purpose of our country and advocate a radically changed state, I'd classify them as traitorous.
Well then I'm glad there's no objective source for the quality of opinions and all discourse is afforded the right to exist! See my point yet?
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity. What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
Stan Shannon wrote:
What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
The "Question Everything" bumper stickers are usually accompanied by "Impeach Bush" and "Hillary 08" bumper stickers. "Question Everything" really means condemnd everything (that isn't Marxist).
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity. What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity.
Source?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity.
Source?
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/americas/venezuela/USVZrelations.pdf[^]
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.