21st Century Socialism
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Humility and liberalism are both halmarks of Catholic thinking. Of course, you're so out-of-step with Rome you probably forgot.
Liberalism advocates Godless government in lieu of Catholicism (or any other religion). Pope John Paul, before he died, expressed concern that the EU's increasingly liberal government would soon legislate the Vatican out of existence. I hardly think think John Paul considered that to be a "hallmark of Catholic thinking".
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
When Bush walks on civil liberties, it's patriotic. Even when he does it in someone else's country!
What are "civil liberties" to you? Anything that offends the liberal ethic? If so, I certainly hope he takes the time to take a dump while he tramples on them.
Red Stateler wrote:
Liberalism advocates Godless government in lieu of Catholicism (or any other religion).
Uh, no, that's Socialism. Liberalism is a term used to describe a platform of humanity and concern for people over posessions. Sorry you're a cafeteria Catholic. How's your opinion on Capital Punishment coming? In line with the Vatican yet? What about your disregard for the Geneva Conventions? Spoken to your priest about how that makes you a lapsed Catholic? Who am I kidding, you probably haven't been to Mass since Easter.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
I don't know, why don't you ask them at your next meeting?
So that's your response? You spout rhetoric that basically describes neo-Nazis as superior Americans and, when challenged, you call me a neo-Nazi? That sheds a lot of light on just how brainwashed you are.
My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an asshole. The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Liberalism advocates Godless government in lieu of Catholicism (or any other religion).
Uh, no, that's Socialism. Liberalism is a term used to describe a platform of humanity and concern for people over posessions. Sorry you're a cafeteria Catholic. How's your opinion on Capital Punishment coming? In line with the Vatican yet? What about your disregard for the Geneva Conventions? Spoken to your priest about how that makes you a lapsed Catholic? Who am I kidding, you probably haven't been to Mass since Easter.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Uh, no, that's Socialism. Liberalism is a term used to describe a platform of humanity and concern for people over posessions.
Uh no. That term is "compassion". "Liberalism", as used in the United States (my understanding is that it equates more closely to conservatism in Europe) refers to adherence towards New Deal (i.e. Marxist) principles. That means statism, federal social (i.e. socialist) policies, etc... It is the belief, which you hold, that government should displace personal decisions when it comes to matters of charity and that it should do so forcefully. That is so antithetical to Catholicism that John Paul actively joined Reagan and Thatcher in fighting communism.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
How's your opinion on Capital Punishment coming? In line with the Vatican yet?
I believe that's a political state's rights issue and not my view is not in line with the Vatican's. Nor does it have to be.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
What about your disregard for the Geneva Conventions?
I think the Geneva Conventions are great. I also know that Bush didn't violate that treaty. I'm sure you have been convinced otherwise since you're so clearly brainwashed.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Spoken to your priest about how that makes you a lapsed Catholic?
Have you spoken to your priest about your belief that the state should displace him? What does he think about that?
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My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an asshole. The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an a**hole.
Well, I'll agree that, since I played devil's advocate and adopted your position for argument's sake, that I am arguing absurdities.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
And the absurdity is magnified. You "glad the Nazis are there"??? Doesn't that set off any alarm bells that your worldview requires you to be "glad the Nazis are there"? The "question everything" bumper sticker politics is, as you have pointed out, absurd. In reality, dissent doesn't make you a good American, but rather the quality of your opinions. Those can either be in line with or dissentious to government, depending on the quality of the government. However, since you seem to advocate an socialist "security" state at the expense of freedom, I'd say that your opinions are of a very lowly caliber and, since they contradict the purpose of our country and advocate a radically changed state, I'd classify them as traitorous.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You don't love America, what you love is the European Social welfare state you want to turn it into.
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich. Hell, you're on welfare if you listen to the beleaguered ultra-rich that have to carry you on tax day.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If what you are saying about Bush is true
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Stan Shannon wrote:
and most of the people who have ever fought and died for this country.
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You do not represent anything even remotely in keeping with what this country was intended to be.
You don't know anything about me, and you never will. You can't begin to tell me what I represent, since the concept of subtlety and nuance is so alien to you. If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie". If I fear for my rights and speak out against what is fast becoming a tyrannical government I am a "traitor". Keep calling names, it has served your party so well!
Stan Shannon wrote:
A sad little brainwashed child who thinks he knows something because he read it on the internet. What a goddamend joke.
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lost his favorite toy: control of American politics. You have likely never lived in an inner city. Chances are, you have few minority friends, have never even approached the breadth of life experience I have enjoyed. Have you ever roped cattle from horseback? Ever live
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich.
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes and I'll join your little communist revolution.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Bullshit. Bush is acting well within the traditional historic parameters of commander in chief. If anything, he has been unfortunantly circumspect in his use of power. Your ilk are simply using a national crisis and tragedy to further your vile leftist agenda at his, and the nation's, expense. You are, in fact, condmening the entire history of this country its culture and its traditions to further that agenda.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Your grandfather and father fought for precisely the same principles the Bush administration is attempting to promote in Iraq. You are worse than I thought. You are a traitor to your own flesh and blood.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie".
You're defending an avowed communist against the efforts of your own country to attempt to deal with him, and I'm not supposed to respond to that? In the US our fellow men are supposed to help themselves without being renedered dependent on a caretaker government. Thats the American way. That is what your family has always fought for. (until you came along).
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lo
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My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an asshole. The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity. What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
My response is, you're being ridiculous. You're arguing with absurdities. I cracked on you for being an a**hole.
Well, I'll agree that, since I played devil's advocate and adopted your position for argument's sake, that I am arguing absurdities.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
And the absurdity is magnified. You "glad the Nazis are there"??? Doesn't that set off any alarm bells that your worldview requires you to be "glad the Nazis are there"? The "question everything" bumper sticker politics is, as you have pointed out, absurd. In reality, dissent doesn't make you a good American, but rather the quality of your opinions. Those can either be in line with or dissentious to government, depending on the quality of the government. However, since you seem to advocate an socialist "security" state at the expense of freedom, I'd say that your opinions are of a very lowly caliber and, since they contradict the purpose of our country and advocate a radically changed state, I'd classify them as traitorous.
Red Stateler wrote:
I'd say that your opinions are of a very lowly caliber and, since they contradict the purpose of our country and advocate a radically changed state, I'd classify them as traitorous.
Well then I'm glad there's no objective source for the quality of opinions and all discourse is afforded the right to exist! See my point yet?
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity. What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
Stan Shannon wrote:
What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
The "Question Everything" bumper stickers are usually accompanied by "Impeach Bush" and "Hillary 08" bumper stickers. "Question Everything" really means condemnd everything (that isn't Marxist).
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The fact is, questioning your government does make you a good American, so I guess I'm glad the Nazis are there, although I obviously disapprove of racial hatred or violence.
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity. What you do isn't a 'question' - it is a statement.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity.
Source?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
But you are'nt "questioning" your government. You are condemning it in its entirity.
Source?
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/americas/venezuela/USVZrelations.pdf[^]
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I'd say that your opinions are of a very lowly caliber and, since they contradict the purpose of our country and advocate a radically changed state, I'd classify them as traitorous.
Well then I'm glad there's no objective source for the quality of opinions and all discourse is afforded the right to exist! See my point yet?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Well then I'm glad there's no objective source for the quality of opinions and all discourse is afforded the right to exist! See my point yet?
There is an objective source. It can be found in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, the various state constitutions and countless other documents. If you advocate the destruction of our constitution, then you are an enemy of the state...A traitor. Your politics do just that. I'm sure you'll deny it, but then you'll have to adjust your argument for the fact that you just accused our own president of tyranny (while he's simply exercising the constitutional authority vested with him) while defending a Marxist dictator.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich.
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes and I'll join your little communist revolution.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Bullshit. Bush is acting well within the traditional historic parameters of commander in chief. If anything, he has been unfortunantly circumspect in his use of power. Your ilk are simply using a national crisis and tragedy to further your vile leftist agenda at his, and the nation's, expense. You are, in fact, condmening the entire history of this country its culture and its traditions to further that agenda.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Your grandfather and father fought for precisely the same principles the Bush administration is attempting to promote in Iraq. You are worse than I thought. You are a traitor to your own flesh and blood.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie".
You're defending an avowed communist against the efforts of your own country to attempt to deal with him, and I'm not supposed to respond to that? In the US our fellow men are supposed to help themselves without being renedered dependent on a caretaker government. Thats the American way. That is what your family has always fought for. (until you came along).
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lo
Stan Shannon wrote:
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes and I'll join your little communist revolution.
http://www.halliburton.com/[^] Just one? Once again, call me a Communist because I care about poor Americans and am distrustful of the current administration. You must see Communists everywhere you look, McCarthy. Almost no one is happy with our President and the way our country is being run. You are on the fringe, marginalized more than even a Communist in American politics. You and your ilk have earned yourselves a place outside in the cold while normal, rational, peace-loving Americans decide the future of our country.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bush is acting well within the traditional historic parameters of commander in chief.
Sure, and World War II was well within the historical parameters of World War I. Still doesn't mean it isn't a tragedy. I already said I don't care when it happened before, I am concerned now.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Your grandfather and father fought for precisely the same principles the Bush administration is attempting to promote in Iraq.
Hey look guys, it's "Vietnam was a good idea"! This rare example of conservativus absurdus is difficult to observe in its native habitat, the suburbs of Dallas/Forth Worth, but is abundant on the internet. Shsh! You'll startle it!
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're defending an avowed communist against the efforts of your own country to attempt to deal with him
It is not my own country's job to "deal with him". Therefore, I would defend the sovereignty of his country as I would hope he would defend mine. So far, he has not intervened in American politics, so live and let live is my motto.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Never mind me.
Hit a little close to home, huh? Don't worry, I'm sure your fat, boring wife and kids will prattle on about whatever's on the boob tube tonight loud enough to cover up the sounds of you jacking it to internet porn to make the hurt go away. I like how you identify with the rural lifestyle. Whatever keeps you from the realization that you're trapped
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
America is already a welfare state, only for major corporations and military contractors. If we're going to distribute welfare checques, I'd like to see them in the hands of those who really need them, rather than feeding our $500B killing-brown-people habit or fostering "economic growth", i.e. country club memberships for the mega-rich.
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes and I'll join your little communist revolution.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If what I'm saying of Bush is true, that's all that matters. You are relegated to the fringe of American politics. Enjoy your stay there with the militias, the "all income tax is theft" morons and white power activists.
Bullshit. Bush is acting well within the traditional historic parameters of commander in chief. If anything, he has been unfortunantly circumspect in his use of power. Your ilk are simply using a national crisis and tragedy to further your vile leftist agenda at his, and the nation's, expense. You are, in fact, condmening the entire history of this country its culture and its traditions to further that agenda.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Like my grandfather, who flew jets in Korea, or my father, who faught in Vietnam? Can you tell me what great gains were made for democracy that will balance out never knowing my grandfather? While you're at it, explain how those fighting and dying in Iraq are helping our country. Explain it to their children, too.
Your grandfather and father fought for precisely the same principles the Bush administration is attempting to promote in Iraq. You are worse than I thought. You are a traitor to your own flesh and blood.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If I want to help my fellow man in time of need I am a "commie".
You're defending an avowed communist against the efforts of your own country to attempt to deal with him, and I'm not supposed to respond to that? In the US our fellow men are supposed to help themselves without being renedered dependent on a caretaker government. Thats the American way. That is what your family has always fought for. (until you came along).
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Yet it is you who sounds so angry and so shrill. Like a child who has lo
Stan Shannon wrote:
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes
Halliburton
Mongkut to a Christian missionary friend: "What you teach us to do is admirable, but what you teach us to believe is foolish".
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes
Halliburton
Mongkut to a Christian missionary friend: "What you teach us to do is admirable, but what you teach us to believe is foolish".
Tim Craig wrote:
Halliburton
Don't think so.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Uh, no, that's Socialism. Liberalism is a term used to describe a platform of humanity and concern for people over posessions.
Uh no. That term is "compassion". "Liberalism", as used in the United States (my understanding is that it equates more closely to conservatism in Europe) refers to adherence towards New Deal (i.e. Marxist) principles. That means statism, federal social (i.e. socialist) policies, etc... It is the belief, which you hold, that government should displace personal decisions when it comes to matters of charity and that it should do so forcefully. That is so antithetical to Catholicism that John Paul actively joined Reagan and Thatcher in fighting communism.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
How's your opinion on Capital Punishment coming? In line with the Vatican yet?
I believe that's a political state's rights issue and not my view is not in line with the Vatican's. Nor does it have to be.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
What about your disregard for the Geneva Conventions?
I think the Geneva Conventions are great. I also know that Bush didn't violate that treaty. I'm sure you have been convinced otherwise since you're so clearly brainwashed.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Spoken to your priest about how that makes you a lapsed Catholic?
Have you spoken to your priest about your belief that the state should displace him? What does he think about that?
Red Stateler wrote:
Uh no. That term is "compassion". "Liberalism", as used in the United States (my understanding is that it equates more closely to conservatism in Europe) refers to adherence towards New Deal (i.e. Marxist) principles.
Wikipedia wrote:
Rejecting both the most extreme forms of capitalism and the revolutionary elements from the socialist school, social liberalism emphasizes what it calls "positive liberty", seeking to enhance the "positive freedoms" of the poor and disadvantaged in society by means of government regulation.
Red Stateler wrote:
I believe that's a political state's rights issue and not my view is not in line with the Vatican's. Nor does it have to be.
Oh yes it does! Way to be a cafeteria Catholic! You can't pick and choose what it means to be "pro-life".
Red Stateler wrote:
I think the Geneva Conventions are great. I also know that Bush didn't violate that treaty. I'm sure you have been convinced otherwise since you're so clearly brainwashed.
Bush did indeed violate the terms of the Geneva Conventions. He has just taken great pains to try to prove that they didn't apply. I'm sure God will hear that argument out when he is judged. Have fun explaining how some human beings are not eligible to be treated as such. Be sure to have your sources ready, God really likes well-sourced arguments!
Red Stateler wrote:
Have you spoken to your priest about your belief that the state should displace him? What does he think about that?
Care to explain? I don't believe that the State can perform the Sacraments! Do you? What are you talking about?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes and I'll join your little communist revolution.
http://www.halliburton.com/[^] Just one? Once again, call me a Communist because I care about poor Americans and am distrustful of the current administration. You must see Communists everywhere you look, McCarthy. Almost no one is happy with our President and the way our country is being run. You are on the fringe, marginalized more than even a Communist in American politics. You and your ilk have earned yourselves a place outside in the cold while normal, rational, peace-loving Americans decide the future of our country.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bush is acting well within the traditional historic parameters of commander in chief.
Sure, and World War II was well within the historical parameters of World War I. Still doesn't mean it isn't a tragedy. I already said I don't care when it happened before, I am concerned now.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Your grandfather and father fought for precisely the same principles the Bush administration is attempting to promote in Iraq.
Hey look guys, it's "Vietnam was a good idea"! This rare example of conservativus absurdus is difficult to observe in its native habitat, the suburbs of Dallas/Forth Worth, but is abundant on the internet. Shsh! You'll startle it!
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're defending an avowed communist against the efforts of your own country to attempt to deal with him
It is not my own country's job to "deal with him". Therefore, I would defend the sovereignty of his country as I would hope he would defend mine. So far, he has not intervened in American politics, so live and let live is my motto.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Never mind me.
Hit a little close to home, huh? Don't worry, I'm sure your fat, boring wife and kids will prattle on about whatever's on the boob tube tonight loud enough to cover up the sounds of you jacking it to internet porn to make the hurt go away. I like how you identify with the rural lifestyle. Whatever keeps you from the realization that you're trapped
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Once again, call me a Communist because I care about poor Americans and am distrustful of the current administration.
You are a communist because you believe that the government should be a conduit of wealth redistribution and because you have greater reverence for a despotic communist dictator than our democratically elected president. Advocating that an entity like government, which has the authority of force behind is, be vested with the authority to confiscate and reappropriate funds and that it be vested with the responsibility to run industry and and ration its products is strictly Marxist. If such people are so "caring", then perhaps you could explain why such people also give far less to charity than conservatives who despise the idea of statism.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Halliburton
Don't think so.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Uh no. That term is "compassion". "Liberalism", as used in the United States (my understanding is that it equates more closely to conservatism in Europe) refers to adherence towards New Deal (i.e. Marxist) principles.
Wikipedia wrote:
Rejecting both the most extreme forms of capitalism and the revolutionary elements from the socialist school, social liberalism emphasizes what it calls "positive liberty", seeking to enhance the "positive freedoms" of the poor and disadvantaged in society by means of government regulation.
Red Stateler wrote:
I believe that's a political state's rights issue and not my view is not in line with the Vatican's. Nor does it have to be.
Oh yes it does! Way to be a cafeteria Catholic! You can't pick and choose what it means to be "pro-life".
Red Stateler wrote:
I think the Geneva Conventions are great. I also know that Bush didn't violate that treaty. I'm sure you have been convinced otherwise since you're so clearly brainwashed.
Bush did indeed violate the terms of the Geneva Conventions. He has just taken great pains to try to prove that they didn't apply. I'm sure God will hear that argument out when he is judged. Have fun explaining how some human beings are not eligible to be treated as such. Be sure to have your sources ready, God really likes well-sourced arguments!
Red Stateler wrote:
Have you spoken to your priest about your belief that the state should displace him? What does he think about that?
Care to explain? I don't believe that the State can perform the Sacraments! Do you? What are you talking about?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Oh yes it does! Way to be a cafeteria Catholic! You can't pick and choose what it means to be "pro-life".
Why not? You're a socialist...Something the Catholic Church vehemently opposes. In fact, all four solidly conservative justices on the Supreme Court are Catholics. They're also for the death penalty.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Bush did indeed violate the terms of the Geneva Conventions. He has just taken great pains to try to prove that they didn't apply. I'm sure God will hear that argument out when he is judged. Have fun explaining how some human beings are not eligible to be treated as such. Be sure to have your sources ready, God really likes well-sourced arguments!
That's really cute how you think you have the ability to determine God's judgement. You must have missed that part in the Bible, huh? Perhaps you can explain exactly which part of the Geneva Conventions Bush violated? I'd like to see this.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Care to explain? I don't believe that the State can perform the Sacraments! Do you? What are you talking about?
Why do you think the Pope opposed Marxist government? You preach about its compassion, but in reality "charity" is meant to spiritually benefit both the one that receives and gives. The notion that charity be compulsory is in direct conflict with one of Christianity's core principles. Giving becomes taking and spiritual growth is transformed into resentment. Those who may gain spiritually from this form of "giving" only do so by vesting their spirituality with the state, which is party in charge of charity. Charity, according the the Christian ethic, MUST be voluntary. To equate socialism to Christian charity is a patently false comparison. That is in part why Pope John Paul so vehemently opposed the evils inherent in Marxism.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Once again, call me a Communist because I care about poor Americans and am distrustful of the current administration.
You are a communist because you believe that the government should be a conduit of wealth redistribution and because you have greater reverence for a despotic communist dictator than our democratically elected president. Advocating that an entity like government, which has the authority of force behind is, be vested with the authority to confiscate and reappropriate funds and that it be vested with the responsibility to run industry and and ration its products is strictly Marxist. If such people are so "caring", then perhaps you could explain why such people also give far less to charity than conservatives who despise the idea of statism.
Red Stateler wrote:
You are a communist because you believe that the government should be a conduit of wealth redistribution and because you have greater reverence for a despotic communist dictator than our democratically elected president.
First off, yes, I do believe that social programs have a right to exist. So do most Americans. So do you. Do you turn away the fire department because they are just redistributing wealth by using others' tax dollars to put out your burning mini-mansion? Do you only drive on toll roads? Are your hideous offspring planning on turning down any government grants for college? Oh wait, I forgot, your wages are paid by my tax dollars! "Wealth redistribution" indeed! :laugh: I guess you'll be turning away your paycheck next week!
Red Stateler wrote:
If such people are so "caring", then perhaps you could explain why such people also give far less to charity than conservatives who despise the idea of statism.
Considering that your entire paycheck is charity (or theft, depending on who you're trolling), you've got a lot of nerve calling the majority of Americans uncharitable. You don't even know who "such Americans" are. You hole up all day in your suburban fortress, intentionally isolated from anyone with a diverse opinion.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Show me one corporation that receives more "welfare" from the government than it pays in taxes and I'll join your little communist revolution.
http://www.halliburton.com/[^] Just one? Once again, call me a Communist because I care about poor Americans and am distrustful of the current administration. You must see Communists everywhere you look, McCarthy. Almost no one is happy with our President and the way our country is being run. You are on the fringe, marginalized more than even a Communist in American politics. You and your ilk have earned yourselves a place outside in the cold while normal, rational, peace-loving Americans decide the future of our country.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bush is acting well within the traditional historic parameters of commander in chief.
Sure, and World War II was well within the historical parameters of World War I. Still doesn't mean it isn't a tragedy. I already said I don't care when it happened before, I am concerned now.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Your grandfather and father fought for precisely the same principles the Bush administration is attempting to promote in Iraq.
Hey look guys, it's "Vietnam was a good idea"! This rare example of conservativus absurdus is difficult to observe in its native habitat, the suburbs of Dallas/Forth Worth, but is abundant on the internet. Shsh! You'll startle it!
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're defending an avowed communist against the efforts of your own country to attempt to deal with him
It is not my own country's job to "deal with him". Therefore, I would defend the sovereignty of his country as I would hope he would defend mine. So far, he has not intervened in American politics, so live and let live is my motto.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Never mind me.
Hit a little close to home, huh? Don't worry, I'm sure your fat, boring wife and kids will prattle on about whatever's on the boob tube tonight loud enough to cover up the sounds of you jacking it to internet porn to make the hurt go away. I like how you identify with the rural lifestyle. Whatever keeps you from the realization that you're trapped
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
http://www.halliburton.com/\[^\] Just one?
Thats what I thought. You consider any profit at all by corporate America to be "welfare". The truth is that it is unfortunate that corporations are taxed at all.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
McCarthy
My hero.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
You and your ilk have earned yourselves a place outside in the cold while normal, rational, peace-loving Americans decide the future of our country.
Doesn't mean we're wrong. But I do find it amusing that on the one hand you condemn mainstream American society and than prattle on about 'normal, rational, peace-loving Americans'. Well, which is it? Are the fat, depressed suburbinites also your peace-loving Americans? If not, who are they? Or are all fat, depressed SUV driving cul de sac living suburbinites "marginalized more than even a Communist in American politics"? Just curious.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Hit a little close to home, huh? Don't worry, I'm sure your fat, boring wife and kids will prattle on about whatever's on the boob tube tonight loud enough to cover up the sounds of you jacking it to internet porn to make the hurt go away. I like how you identify with the rural lifestyle. Whatever keeps you from the realization that you're trapped in no-man's land, with a big-box department store the closest thing to culture in your safe, soulless boring suburban development (which is still riddled with drugs and violence, all just hidden safely behind the well-trimmed hedges you pay illegal Mexicans to maintain). Hey cowboy, how many horses do you own? Do you even know how to rope or ride? Ever wrestle calves or break the ice off of a cow tank? Of course not, you identify with hard-working rural Americans by driving the same kind of vehicle! How else are you going to pick up that side-by-side SubZero fridge from Home Depot? Renting a truck is for commies and city-slickers! You're out of your league, here, armchair cowboy. I am more urban and more rural than you'll ever be, all at the same time!
Yeah, I'm real intimidated, candy ass. The funny thing about all that is that I was born on a farm in Washita county Oklahoma, the grandson of four Sooners who had migrated as children from their pioneer ranchs in Texas. As such, I am well aware (as you apparently ar