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  • A AlexCode

    Imagine the very bottom of the ocean. Even inside a earth-quake fracture... real deep, n times deeper than what we ever went. Imagine that somehow, possibly with the earth changes, millions of years ago, a cave was formed. A dry and very big cave like an underwater city. Time passed and some evolutions were made, and new forms of intelligent life appeared, new materials where discovered... They build some sort of water vehicle to go to another rock, far away thinking that may be more of them there, but no. They can see other rocks but they're too far to reach them with their technology. They don't know that going straight up the water ends and starts a new environment. They don't even know which way is up. Can you relate this to us now? ;P The cave being our planet, the near rock the moon, and the absolute absence of knowledge that our environment has an end and that others forms of life and different environments may exist delimiting ours... It makes us think a bit...

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    Richard Jones
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    Similar to A Bug's Life, where their whole world took place within 50ft of a tree in a meadow. Scale means everything to perception. I doubt those ants could comprehend the distance to Tokyo or the Sun, or speeds we know.

    "Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."

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    • I Iain Clarke Warrior Programmer

      The whole electrons spinning like little planets is a "lie to children". I remember a whole chapter in a Discworld Physics book about this. Every now and then teachers need to go through a whole "Yoi know how you learned X last year? Well, that's not really true. Here's a slightly more complex near-truth for you..." Its why you go to university all smart and clever and stuffed full of knowledge, and leave screaming "I know nothing!" That, or evil creatures are sucking out your brains. Either explanation works. I recently read a blog entry An Idea That Could Save The World: Disavowal Day![^] which seems like a good idea. Warning, bad language ahoy... Iain.

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      Iain Clarke wrote:

      Every now and then teachers need...

      A few years ago, I think helping my niece with school physics I noticed that this actually had happened :D They were using a charge density distribution instead of the planeary model - it didn't make it easier for me, but I genuinely liked it because it could explain about the same with much less weirdnesses mixed in, and closer to the quantum mechanics model.

      Iain Clarke wrote:

      Here's a slightly more complex near-truth for you

      Exactly. Rarely a new discovery - as revolutionary as it is - throws out everything we learned before.

      Iain Clarke wrote:

      An Idea That Could Save The World: Disavowal Day!

      I don't think it would work as intended - but it would be fun if it did.

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      • R Richard Jones

        Similar to A Bug's Life, where their whole world took place within 50ft of a tree in a meadow. Scale means everything to perception. I doubt those ants could comprehend the distance to Tokyo or the Sun, or speeds we know.

        "Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."

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        I agree with you in some parts but disagree when you compare our intelligence with the ant. Not that I'm offended, an not that some people I know are more dumb than an ant but the difference is that we don't have anyone or anything to tell us about what's beyond what we know. I don't thing that we couldn't understand it... P.S.: Writing the above put me to thing about the scale thing... What if compared to the relation between us and ants is another form of life that have the same difference to us, being more intelligent in the same or grater scale... Maybe I don't disagree with you that much :->

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        • A Andy Brummer

          Not if its the space that is expanding. :) Or maybe all the rulers are getting smaller.

          This blanket smells like ham

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          AlexCode
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          Now we get in loop... Again to expand we got to have more space right? To have more space means that something will have less space. For example, if I need more space at home I'll have to build another room. This room will occupy some of my garden, so my garden got smaller to my house get bigger. If my house is the Universe and thinking that it's constantly expanding, what's my garden? Does it ever end? Yeah? how? You bump your head into some sort of wall? What's beyond that wall? Does it really ends :-D:-D:-D I like these thing and I'm just mad I'll die exactly what I know now about this...:mad:

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          • A AlexCode

            Now we get in loop... Again to expand we got to have more space right? To have more space means that something will have less space. For example, if I need more space at home I'll have to build another room. This room will occupy some of my garden, so my garden got smaller to my house get bigger. If my house is the Universe and thinking that it's constantly expanding, what's my garden? Does it ever end? Yeah? how? You bump your head into some sort of wall? What's beyond that wall? Does it really ends :-D:-D:-D I like these thing and I'm just mad I'll die exactly what I know now about this...:mad:

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            AlexCode wrote:

            Now we get in loop... Again to expand we got to have more space right? To have more space means that something will have less space.

            No, you just get more space because the space itself just got bigger. With the house you are just rearranging things around the space not changing the space itself.

            This blanket smells like ham

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