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  • L lost in transition

    Nebraska State Senator sues God.[^] Well this definitely opens up some problems for a few folks. What if this guy wins, that would do away with the idea of atheism. If you can sue someone and win then that person or deity must exist, right!?


    God Bless, Jason

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    I am willing to bet you are atheistic in regards to all other religions besides your favorite one, and I bet you are even skeptical of their magic stories. The only difference between you and Atheists (besides intelligence and typing skills) is that they are that way towards all religions.

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      I am willing to bet you are atheistic in regards to all other religions besides your favorite one, and I bet you are even skeptical of their magic stories. The only difference between you and Atheists (besides intelligence and typing skills) is that they are that way towards all religions.

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      I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer gods than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. --Stephen Roberts


      The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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        I am willing to bet you are atheistic in regards to all other religions besides your favorite one, and I bet you are even skeptical of their magic stories. The only difference between you and Atheists (besides intelligence and typing skills) is that they are that way towards all religions.

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        INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

        I am willing to bet you are atheistic in regards to all other religions besides your favorite one

        Your assumption is wrong.

        INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

        I bet you are even skeptical of their magic stories.

        And yet you lost another bet.

        INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

        (besides intelligence and typing skills)

        Thanks for the personal remarks, show me you maturity so I don't have to wonder. As far as typing, didn't realize you were grading.

        INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

        The only difference between you and Atheists ... is that they are that way towards all religions.

        religion[^]: 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices Does that include atheism. atheism[^]: b : the doctrine that there is no deity A difference of beliefs.


        God Bless, Jason
        God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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        • L lost in transition

          INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

          I am willing to bet you are atheistic in regards to all other religions besides your favorite one

          Your assumption is wrong.

          INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

          I bet you are even skeptical of their magic stories.

          And yet you lost another bet.

          INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

          (besides intelligence and typing skills)

          Thanks for the personal remarks, show me you maturity so I don't have to wonder. As far as typing, didn't realize you were grading.

          INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

          The only difference between you and Atheists ... is that they are that way towards all religions.

          religion[^]: 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices Does that include atheism. atheism[^]: b : the doctrine that there is no deity A difference of beliefs.


          God Bless, Jason
          God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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          So you believe that Mohammad magically ascended into heaven? That Thor had a hammer that could cause thunder? If I remember correctly, Yahweh is not too fond of polytheists, and he has a special place for them.

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          • L lost in transition

            Nebraska State Senator sues God.[^] Well this definitely opens up some problems for a few folks. What if this guy wins, that would do away with the idea of atheism. If you can sue someone and win then that person or deity must exist, right!?


            God Bless, Jason

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            The court will punt, and claim it has no jurisdiction. Neither athiests nor the religious will "win" anything here, but we will get to prove that, once more, Lawyers will do anything for a buck, and politicians are idiots.

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            • L lost in transition

              INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

              I am willing to bet you are atheistic in regards to all other religions besides your favorite one

              Your assumption is wrong.

              INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

              I bet you are even skeptical of their magic stories.

              And yet you lost another bet.

              INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

              (besides intelligence and typing skills)

              Thanks for the personal remarks, show me you maturity so I don't have to wonder. As far as typing, didn't realize you were grading.

              INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

              The only difference between you and Atheists ... is that they are that way towards all religions.

              religion[^]: 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices Does that include atheism. atheism[^]: b : the doctrine that there is no deity A difference of beliefs.


              God Bless, Jason
              God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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              jason_lakewhitney wrote:

              atheism[^]: b : the doctrine that there is no deity

              Defintion a) is more accurate: 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity 2b) is a subset of 2a). 2a) includes those who make no contention about the existence of a god, but simply have no belief in one (although, then I suppose the word should more appropriately be "lack of belief" rather than "disbelief.")


              The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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                jason_lakewhitney wrote:

                atheism[^]: b : the doctrine that there is no deity

                Defintion a) is more accurate: 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity 2b) is a subset of 2a). 2a) includes those who make no contention about the existence of a god, but simply have no belief in one (although, then I suppose the word should more appropriately be "lack of belief" rather than "disbelief.")


                The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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                Patrick Sears wrote:

                2a) includes those who make no contention about the existence of a god, but simply have no belief in one (although, then I suppose the word should more appropriately be "lack of belief" rather than "disbelief.")

                You're confusing agnosticism with atheism. Agnosticism is the lack of a belief in general. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.


                If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                  So you believe that Mohammad magically ascended into heaven? That Thor had a hammer that could cause thunder? If I remember correctly, Yahweh is not too fond of polytheists, and he has a special place for them.

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                  You are trying in corporate all of the stories and all religions into one question. And that is not what I said. You are also trying to get me to say I am something I am not. I am not a polytheist. Please try again later.


                  God Bless, Jason
                  God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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                    Patrick Sears wrote:

                    2a) includes those who make no contention about the existence of a god, but simply have no belief in one (although, then I suppose the word should more appropriately be "lack of belief" rather than "disbelief.")

                    You're confusing agnosticism with atheism. Agnosticism is the lack of a belief in general. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.


                    If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                    Red Stateler wrote:

                    Agnosticism is the lack of a belief in general. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.

                    No, actually one has to do with knowledge; the other with belief. So the two can be combined: Gnostic Theists know God exists so they believe in him. Agnostic Theists don't know if God exists but believe in him anyway. Gnostic Atheists know God doesn't exist so they don't believe in him. Agnostic Atheists don't God if God exists but they don't believe in him.


                    Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain

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                      The court will punt, and claim it has no jurisdiction. Neither athiests nor the religious will "win" anything here, but we will get to prove that, once more, Lawyers will do anything for a buck, and politicians are idiots.

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                      lost in transition
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                      Rob Graham wrote:

                      Lawyers will do anything for a buck, and politicians are idiots.

                      You got the main reason why I posted.


                      God Bless, Jason
                      God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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                        Red Stateler wrote:

                        Agnosticism is the lack of a belief in general. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.

                        No, actually one has to do with knowledge; the other with belief. So the two can be combined: Gnostic Theists know God exists so they believe in him. Agnostic Theists don't know if God exists but believe in him anyway. Gnostic Atheists know God doesn't exist so they don't believe in him. Agnostic Atheists don't God if God exists but they don't believe in him.


                        Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain

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                        Q: What does a dyslexic, atheistic, insomniac do? A: Lies awake at night wondering if there is a doG.

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                          Red Stateler wrote:

                          Agnosticism is the lack of a belief in general. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.

                          No, actually one has to do with knowledge; the other with belief. So the two can be combined: Gnostic Theists know God exists so they believe in him. Agnostic Theists don't know if God exists but believe in him anyway. Gnostic Atheists know God doesn't exist so they don't believe in him. Agnostic Atheists don't God if God exists but they don't believe in him.


                          Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain

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                          Al Beback wrote:

                          No, actually one has to do with knowledge; the other with belief. So the two can be combined:

                          I didn't address "knowledge". I addressed belief. Both atheists and agnostics (as well as the vast majority of theists) believe that proof of the existence of God and therefore knowledge of His existence is unattainable unless God chooses to reveal Himself. Atheists, regardless of whether you incorrectly regard them as a special breed of agnostic or gnostic, straightforwardly believe that there is no God (they cannot "know" there is no God). Agnostics, on the other hand, are uncertain and choose to adhere to no belief as to whether or not God exists. Thus their "belief system" (or rather lack thereof) allows for the existence or nonexistence of God. The atheist belief system (note that it is not in quotes) does not. Since one cannot "know" if God exists or not, it follows that your definitions must be erroneous.


                          If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                            INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                            I am willing to bet you are atheistic in regards to all other religions besides your favorite one

                            Your assumption is wrong.

                            INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                            I bet you are even skeptical of their magic stories.

                            And yet you lost another bet.

                            INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                            (besides intelligence and typing skills)

                            Thanks for the personal remarks, show me you maturity so I don't have to wonder. As far as typing, didn't realize you were grading.

                            INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                            The only difference between you and Atheists ... is that they are that way towards all religions.

                            religion[^]: 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices Does that include atheism. atheism[^]: b : the doctrine that there is no deity A difference of beliefs.


                            God Bless, Jason
                            God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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                            It's funny how you use the religious man's definition of atheism. Why can't you man in the cloud believers ever get through your skull that atheism isn't the belief in something's non-existence, but the lack of belief in its existence?

                            -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                              jason_lakewhitney wrote:

                              Well this definitely opens up some problems for a few folks.

                              Why? There's no jurisdiction.


                              If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                              Trial in absentia.

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                                It's funny how you use the religious man's definition of atheism. Why can't you man in the cloud believers ever get through your skull that atheism isn't the belief in something's non-existence, but the lack of belief in its existence?

                                -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                Why can't you man in the cloud believers ever get through your skull that atheism isn't the belief in something's non-existence, but the lack of belief in its existence?

                                Whereas theism is the lack of belief is God's nonexistence. :rolleyes:


                                If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                  It's funny how you use the religious man's definition of atheism. Why can't you man in the cloud believers ever get through your skull that atheism isn't the belief in something's non-existence, but the lack of belief in its existence?

                                  -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                  Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                  isn't the belief in something's non-existence

                                  So as to say: An atheist believes that God doesn't exist.

                                  Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                  but the lack of belief in its existence

                                  An atheist believes there isn't a God.


                                  God Bless, Jason
                                  God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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                                    Trial in absentia.

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                                    73Zeppelin wrote:

                                    Trial in absentia.

                                    That has nothing to do with jurisdiction. Laws governing murder and theft don't apply to dogs. Only humans.


                                    If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                      73Zeppelin wrote:

                                      Trial in absentia.

                                      That has nothing to do with jurisdiction. Laws governing murder and theft don't apply to dogs. Only humans.


                                      If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                      God made man in his own image; or so the story goes...

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                                        God made man in his own image; or so the story goes...

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                                        73Zeppelin wrote:

                                        God made man in his own image; or so the story goes...

                                        US law also doesn't apply to foreign dignitaries.


                                        If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                          Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                          isn't the belief in something's non-existence

                                          So as to say: An atheist believes that God doesn't exist.

                                          Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                          but the lack of belief in its existence

                                          An atheist believes there isn't a God.


                                          God Bless, Jason
                                          God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.

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                                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                          No. An atheist lacks the belief in the existence of god. However, atheists tends to be rational, so they often point out the fact that there are no evidence of any god's existence. Hence, they often believe there is no god. But still - atheism isn't the belief that something doesn't exist. It's the lack of belief that something exists. It does require a bit of thinking to understand. Please don't strain your brain.

                                          -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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