Idiocy vs Common Sense
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
/* I can C */ // or !C Yusuf
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
/* I can C */ // or !C Yusuf
Yusuf wrote:
But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
common sense should have ruled out joking in the postal line! The postal clerk is not there to solve or fight the engneering problem of hiding liquid within the small envelope. He is there to ask you if you have done so, whether or not "asking" is kind of silly. Never joke with a government worker in their official capacity. This rule applies equally to soldiers armed and pointing rifles in your general direction as well as postal workers or border patrol agents. The gentleman on the bus to Albuquerque early this year joked about his citizenship. Common sense should rule out such things, but they do happen, and everyone had to wait as he was asked to stand, verify his identity with multiple forms of ID and multiple people verifying it, and he got a pat-down and search through his stuff for even doing the joke. One of my friends joked with a soldier during an anti-terrorist drill once... once. Common sense should rule out such things too.... It just delays and complicates your life. :) Always remember: spontaneity has its time and place. ;P;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
/* I can C */ // or !C Yusuf
Isn't this as bad as the idiots who say they've got a bomb in their backpack when they are checking in at the airport?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Yusuf wrote:
But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
common sense should have ruled out joking in the postal line! The postal clerk is not there to solve or fight the engneering problem of hiding liquid within the small envelope. He is there to ask you if you have done so, whether or not "asking" is kind of silly. Never joke with a government worker in their official capacity. This rule applies equally to soldiers armed and pointing rifles in your general direction as well as postal workers or border patrol agents. The gentleman on the bus to Albuquerque early this year joked about his citizenship. Common sense should rule out such things, but they do happen, and everyone had to wait as he was asked to stand, verify his identity with multiple forms of ID and multiple people verifying it, and he got a pat-down and search through his stuff for even doing the joke. One of my friends joked with a soldier during an anti-terrorist drill once... once. Common sense should rule out such things too.... It just delays and complicates your life. :) Always remember: spontaneity has its time and place. ;P;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
One of my friends joked with a soldier during an anti-terrorist drill once... once. Common sense should rule out such things too.... It just delays and complicates your life.
Your friend is lucky to've gotten off with a delay. :doh:
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
/* I can C */ // or !C Yusuf
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El Corazon wrote:
One of my friends joked with a soldier during an anti-terrorist drill once... once. Common sense should rule out such things too.... It just delays and complicates your life.
Your friend is lucky to've gotten off with a delay. :doh:
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
dan neely wrote:
Your friend is lucky to've gotten off with a delay.
well, we were coming back from lunch and they locked down everyone.... we were in the middle of the street, which means soldiers came to us, and questioned us, which is protocol.... he got a little more treatment than I after joking. I just wanted to crawl away and hide.... "Do I know him? No, never saw him before in my life." though I would not have done that. I am all too honest, so I got delayed too waiting for his delay because I did know him.... Since it was a drill, we got delays. Had it been more than a drill.... he would have got much more.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Yusuf wrote:
But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
common sense should have ruled out joking in the postal line! The postal clerk is not there to solve or fight the engneering problem of hiding liquid within the small envelope. He is there to ask you if you have done so, whether or not "asking" is kind of silly. Never joke with a government worker in their official capacity. This rule applies equally to soldiers armed and pointing rifles in your general direction as well as postal workers or border patrol agents. The gentleman on the bus to Albuquerque early this year joked about his citizenship. Common sense should rule out such things, but they do happen, and everyone had to wait as he was asked to stand, verify his identity with multiple forms of ID and multiple people verifying it, and he got a pat-down and search through his stuff for even doing the joke. One of my friends joked with a soldier during an anti-terrorist drill once... once. Common sense should rule out such things too.... It just delays and complicates your life. :) Always remember: spontaneity has its time and place. ;P;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
Never joke with a government worker in their official capacity
Thank you for reminding us all of our duties comrade Corazon, the motherland is grateful. :) -- modified at 16:45 Wednesday 24th October, 2007
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Isn't this as bad as the idiots who say they've got a bomb in their backpack when they are checking in at the airport?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
/* I can C */ // or !C Yusuf
I use my debit card at supermarkets, and there are some places where I can type in my PIN wrong, and the transaction will still happen. Very reassuring. :wtf:
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El Corazon wrote:
Never joke with a government worker in their official capacity
Thank you for reminding us all of our duties comrade Corazon, the motherland is grateful. :) -- modified at 16:45 Wednesday 24th October, 2007
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hey, you can go on with life without having to joke about serious matters. Try walking into a police station and reporting someone stole your cocaine as a joke. See how well they take the joke too. :rolleyes: There really are somethings that should not be joked about. Interfering with anyone's job is really one of them, but official jobs that you are paying for, and thus wasting your own money and everyone else's? That's just as silly, really. There is a common tale, maybe even urban legend at this point about the guy on site who called in on April 1 to report he ran over and killed someone. After starting the report with his boss, he said, "Oh my Go..." and hung up the phone. He laughed all the way to his office in his vehicle. There were emergency crews out looking for him. When he turned up, and the boss found out it was all a joke, he was fired and escorted off the site before even all the emergency crews had returned. There are just somethings not worth joking about. And watch the name please, El if you don't mind. Thanks for the correction.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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hey, you can go on with life without having to joke about serious matters. Try walking into a police station and reporting someone stole your cocaine as a joke. See how well they take the joke too. :rolleyes: There really are somethings that should not be joked about. Interfering with anyone's job is really one of them, but official jobs that you are paying for, and thus wasting your own money and everyone else's? That's just as silly, really. There is a common tale, maybe even urban legend at this point about the guy on site who called in on April 1 to report he ran over and killed someone. After starting the report with his boss, he said, "Oh my Go..." and hung up the phone. He laughed all the way to his office in his vehicle. There were emergency crews out looking for him. When he turned up, and the boss found out it was all a joke, he was fired and escorted off the site before even all the emergency crews had returned. There are just somethings not worth joking about. And watch the name please, El if you don't mind. Thanks for the correction.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I guess my definition of serious and yours are different. A postal clerk asking stupid questions is asking for a stupid answer. I'm quite certain most of us have the common sense to not joke around when it's a serious matter. You guys are wound up way too tight down there. :)
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I guess my definition of serious and yours are different. A postal clerk asking stupid questions is asking for a stupid answer. I'm quite certain most of us have the common sense to not joke around when it's a serious matter. You guys are wound up way too tight down there. :)
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John Cardinal wrote:
A postal clerk asking stupid questions is asking for a stupid answer.
the postal clerk is asking VERY serious questions. Although I find it silly to "ask," it is none-the-less important. A lot of scenerios were "tossed around" following the postal incidents involving a certain white powder (both real, and false copycats) and has nothing to do with the level of coffee I have had or not. ;P Seriously, it is a very serious question and not as silly as you might think. The question is extremely serious, and well intentioned, though difficult to do much about. Asking is better than doing nothing. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
/* I can C */ // or !C Yusuf
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I went to the post office to drop off regular white envelope mail which it had 3 pieces of paper. The post cleric felt the envelope from different spots and asked me the regualr "any thing liquid, fragile, hazardous, perishable ....";P. I decided to take it light and joked by saying "Yea! it has liquid":confused: now this is flat envelope and he felt it there is no plastic in it. He freaked out and told me I can not mail it. I told him I was kidding and the second cleric reminded me I am not suppose to joke. I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?" :omg: Then there is this supermarket I frequently visit. Usually I like to take the self-check-out lane and do it by my self. It is all automated and I pay using my credit card. One day I decided to go to a cashier. The cashier want to see my ID and verify my signature. After his was done his verification, I asked the manager "who verifies the card and the signature in the self-check-out lane?":confused: Look, I am not against policy or procedure. But common sense should be rule #1, or is it?
/* I can C */ // or !C Yusuf
Yusuf wrote:
I asked him, "how in the world, could I put liquid in the envelope with no plastic in it?"
Waxed paper?
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Bloody hell, NO...it's not.
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John Cardinal wrote:
Bloody hell, NO...it's not.
Bloody Hell, YES it is. You may not of thought about it, but after the anthrax incidents (plural) it was finally realized by some.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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John Cardinal wrote:
Bloody hell, NO...it's not.
Bloody Hell, YES it is. You may not of thought about it, but after the anthrax incidents (plural) it was finally realized by some.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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you really have no idea of the significance of the results of the Amerithrax investigations do you? you honestly have not a clue? damn. I wish I lived in your world John.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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you really have no idea of the significance of the results of the Amerithrax investigations do you? you honestly have not a clue? damn. I wish I lived in your world John.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Speaking of common sense: a) there are no significant results of those investigations, no arrests, no gurantees it won't happen again (how could they really, it's impossible) b) Do you really believe that a post office clerk asking people *who bring mail up to the counter* if there is any liquid in the envelope constitutes even a remotely realistic security measure of *any* kind? (If so I have a bridge you might be interested in buying) That's a clear absurdity worth laughing at in my not so humble opinion c) Approximately 40,000 people a year die in automobile related accidents, 5 people died from Anthrax in that incident, I choose to not be one of those people who are "dead at 25 and buried at 75" as the old saying goes. I understand you are living in what is rapidly becoming a fear based economy, something easy to see from the outside but perhaps not so easy to see from the inside, but that is no reason to succumb to it, life is a fatal condition, no one gets out of it alive, a little humor and acceptance that there is really nothing in the end that can gurantee anyone's safety 100% goes a long way. More people die each year from worry than from anthrax or lightning strikes or airplane crashes etc. Remember when governments felt responsible to reassure their populace? Not make them afraid? "The only thing we have to fear is fear it'self - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified, terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." ---- FDR - First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1933 The postal clerk in the post is a visible sign of a very old political tactic "We must be seen to be doing something", not actually doing anything realistic, just being seen to be doing something. It's funny and sad all at the same time, but more funny than sad.
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Speaking of common sense: a) there are no significant results of those investigations, no arrests, no gurantees it won't happen again (how could they really, it's impossible) b) Do you really believe that a post office clerk asking people *who bring mail up to the counter* if there is any liquid in the envelope constitutes even a remotely realistic security measure of *any* kind? (If so I have a bridge you might be interested in buying) That's a clear absurdity worth laughing at in my not so humble opinion c) Approximately 40,000 people a year die in automobile related accidents, 5 people died from Anthrax in that incident, I choose to not be one of those people who are "dead at 25 and buried at 75" as the old saying goes. I understand you are living in what is rapidly becoming a fear based economy, something easy to see from the outside but perhaps not so easy to see from the inside, but that is no reason to succumb to it, life is a fatal condition, no one gets out of it alive, a little humor and acceptance that there is really nothing in the end that can gurantee anyone's safety 100% goes a long way. More people die each year from worry than from anthrax or lightning strikes or airplane crashes etc. Remember when governments felt responsible to reassure their populace? Not make them afraid? "The only thing we have to fear is fear it'self - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified, terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." ---- FDR - First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1933 The postal clerk in the post is a visible sign of a very old political tactic "We must be seen to be doing something", not actually doing anything realistic, just being seen to be doing something. It's funny and sad all at the same time, but more funny than sad.
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I agree with John here, besides, if a terrorist was indeed taking anthrax in that letter he whouldn't be joking about it, it whould say "No, of course not!". When your fear of death reaches a certain threshold of reason then you end up not living life at all...
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