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Shog9 wrote: Possibly if they were a bit smarter, they'd just smile and walk away... Are you suggesting that Chris is wrong ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Are you suggesting that Chris is wrong ? Not at all. Going by the definition, his explanation makes perfect sense to me. And A.A. certainly didn't do much in the way of casting doubt on it. But just because CL's explanation is correct does not mean it is complete. The Universe as defined is everything observed or predicted. This implies an observer - if there are two observers and each observes/predicts a different universe, then what is in ones but not the others is outside. --------_**
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Colin Davies wrote: Are you suggesting that Chris is wrong ? Not at all. Going by the definition, his explanation makes perfect sense to me. And A.A. certainly didn't do much in the way of casting doubt on it. But just because CL's explanation is correct does not mean it is complete. The Universe as defined is everything observed or predicted. This implies an observer - if there are two observers and each observes/predicts a different universe, then what is in ones but not the others is outside. --------_**
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Shog9 wrote: But just because CL's explanation is correct does not mean it is complete. I don't think anyone can really completely answer that question. The reason why the universe has boundaries is because of its non linear structure. Also 'Uni' meaning one makes us believe there is only one Universe although this can be neither proved or disproved, that's why I prefer to use the more encompassing term Cosmos, although it might be the same thing or determine what you are referring to. In known outer space already we know the shortest distance between two points may well not be a straight line. The term 'vacuum' is used to determine an area with nothing that has limits. But the area of "nothingness" outside of our known universe can not exist. The expansion or collapse of the Universe in measurable size comprises only of internal distances rather then quantifiable matter. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Shog9 wrote: But just because CL's explanation is correct does not mean it is complete. I don't think anyone can really completely answer that question. The reason why the universe has boundaries is because of its non linear structure. Also 'Uni' meaning one makes us believe there is only one Universe although this can be neither proved or disproved, that's why I prefer to use the more encompassing term Cosmos, although it might be the same thing or determine what you are referring to. In known outer space already we know the shortest distance between two points may well not be a straight line. The term 'vacuum' is used to determine an area with nothing that has limits. But the area of "nothingness" outside of our known universe can not exist. The expansion or collapse of the Universe in measurable size comprises only of internal distances rather then quantifiable matter. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: I don't think anyone can really completely answer that question. My point exactly. Now i'm off to discuss the possible nature of this non-existant nothingness with a bag of cheese curds... ;) --------_**
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In the Lounge there is a thread where Chris Losinger explains some real basics of cosmology. Then right away someone argues with his cold logic not offering a viable alternative. Do people really think they are that smart, that they can argue with Chris ? Thread here [paul] Regardz Colin J Davies
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In the Lounge there is a thread where Chris Losinger explains some real basics of cosmology. Then right away someone argues with his cold logic not offering a viable alternative. Do people really think they are that smart, that they can argue with Chris ? Thread here [paul] Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Do people really think they are that smart, that they can argue with Chris ? Maybe they just think that they are correct, and that Chris is wrong.
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In the Lounge there is a thread where Chris Losinger explains some real basics of cosmology. Then right away someone argues with his cold logic not offering a viable alternative. Do people really think they are that smart, that they can argue with Chris ? Thread here [paul] Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Do people really think they are that smart, that they can argue with Chris ? If he's that smart, why is he in the software field? Why is he using MS products? Seriously, why isn't he working for the Galatic Empire?:suss: :)
Anonymous wrote: Seriously, why isn't he working for the Galatic Empire? Because I'm not accepting applications for new hires right now. For those of you with limited (or even non-existant) reading comprehension skills, I'm implying that *I* am the Galactic Empire to which Chris refers. For further clarification, refer to the legal disclaimer in my bio. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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Anonymous wrote: Seriously, why isn't he working for the Galatic Empire? Because I'm not accepting applications for new hires right now. For those of you with limited (or even non-existant) reading comprehension skills, I'm implying that *I* am the Galactic Empire to which Chris refers. For further clarification, refer to the legal disclaimer in my bio. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Because I'm not accepting applications for new hires right now. Can I join... pretty please big mister John. I will make a really good slave: I can work hard for very little money, I can whine and bitch about anything I put my mind to, I am certainly strange, and I put very little value in my wellbeing... Just give me a box under your stairs and I will live happily ever after. * ahem * Now, where was I? Oh yes, I was just about print that document... ____________________ David Wulff Neil says: dave i am a homosexual and i am in love with your father Dave says: That's okay son, eighteen years ago I was in love with your mother.
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In the Lounge there is a thread where Chris Losinger explains some real basics of cosmology. Then right away someone argues with his cold logic not offering a viable alternative. Do people really think they are that smart, that they can argue with Chris ? Thread here [paul] Regardz Colin J Davies
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errr... it's a bit tough to know if you're poking me or them :) -c
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Colin Davies wrote: Are you suggesting that Chris is wrong ? Not at all. Going by the definition, his explanation makes perfect sense to me. And A.A. certainly didn't do much in the way of casting doubt on it. But just because CL's explanation is correct does not mean it is complete. The Universe as defined is everything observed or predicted. This implies an observer - if there are two observers and each observes/predicts a different universe, then what is in ones but not the others is outside. --------_**
The real problem is that you don't have to be religious to be a religious fanatic, you just have to be a fanatic.
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-- Stan Shannon, the lounge
Shog9 wrote: then what is in ones but not the others is outside. There is no outside. Sit down in a dark room staring at the ceiling for about a week and think about this. When you brain starts oozing out your ears and you suddenly go 'aaaaaahh!' then come and see me. cheers, Chris Maunder Rub your belly and pat your head simultaneously. Sometimes that helps me make sense of things - Jon Sagara
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Anonymous wrote: Seriously, why isn't he working for the Galatic Empire? Because I'm not accepting applications for new hires right now. For those of you with limited (or even non-existant) reading comprehension skills, I'm implying that *I* am the Galactic Empire to which Chris refers. For further clarification, refer to the legal disclaimer in my bio. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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errr... it's a bit tough to know if you're poking me or them :) -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: errr... it's a bit tough to know if you're poking me or them Them not you, Chris. Your eplanation was good enough to be an entree to further discussion, and is approved by me. Also I have noticed that you akmost always post stuff that should not be disputed IMHO. (So you are on a small pedestal ) :-) The idea/concept that nothingness doesn't exist is a tough one for many folk to believe possible as there brains are only wired to imagine a limited dimensional universe. Thus they seem to think of nothingness as a vacuuum of sorts which is incorrect. Maybe instead of Nothingness I should be saying "non - existant space time reality" Regardz Colin J Davies
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Chris Losinger wrote: errr... it's a bit tough to know if you're poking me or them Them not you, Chris. Your eplanation was good enough to be an entree to further discussion, and is approved by me. Also I have noticed that you akmost always post stuff that should not be disputed IMHO. (So you are on a small pedestal ) :-) The idea/concept that nothingness doesn't exist is a tough one for many folk to believe possible as there brains are only wired to imagine a limited dimensional universe. Thus they seem to think of nothingness as a vacuuum of sorts which is incorrect. Maybe instead of Nothingness I should be saying "non - existant space time reality" Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Also I have noticed that you akmost always post stuff that should not be disputed IMHO. you know, i just noticed that about myself yesterday, too. or, at least, i try to post stuff that shouldn't be disputed. Bob knows tho, i often fail, and end up in a pissing match. :) Colin Davies wrote: Maybe instead of Nothingness I should be saying "non - existant space time reality" :) or "There's nothing there, not even 'there'." -c
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Shog9 wrote: then what is in ones but not the others is outside. There is no outside. Sit down in a dark room staring at the ceiling for about a week and think about this. When you brain starts oozing out your ears and you suddenly go 'aaaaaahh!' then come and see me. cheers, Chris Maunder Rub your belly and pat your head simultaneously. Sometimes that helps me make sense of things - Jon Sagara
Chris Maunder wrote: There is no outside. I'm sure there's no way i'll ever truly comprehend that. I do like the sound of this dark room though... zzz --------_**
The real problem is that you don't have to be religious to be a religious fanatic, you just have to be a fanatic.
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Shog9 wrote: then what is in ones but not the others is outside. There is no outside. Sit down in a dark room staring at the ceiling for about a week and think about this. When you brain starts oozing out your ears and you suddenly go 'aaaaaahh!' then come and see me. cheers, Chris Maunder Rub your belly and pat your head simultaneously. Sometimes that helps me make sense of things - Jon Sagara
Chris Maunder wrote: When you brain starts oozing out your ears and you suddenly go 'aaaaaahh!' then come and see me. if you had ended that sentence "..come and see me; i'll be outside.", you would've been my hero, forever. :) i would've named my dog after you. :) -c
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Shog9 wrote: then what is in ones but not the others is outside. There is no outside. Sit down in a dark room staring at the ceiling for about a week and think about this. When you brain starts oozing out your ears and you suddenly go 'aaaaaahh!' then come and see me. cheers, Chris Maunder Rub your belly and pat your head simultaneously. Sometimes that helps me make sense of things - Jon Sagara
Chris Maunder wrote: There is no outside. Agreed , as the Universe is finite, You are either in the Universe or you are not. So not being in the Universe is not Outside. Whilst I understand this I can not explain it well to others which shows my a lack of comprehension of it. Regardz Colin J Davies
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