Problems with playing HD movies...
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STFU should be obvious. YDKWYATA = You Don't Know What You are Talking About.
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Patrick Sears wrote:
Sounds to me like you're having DRM issues.
No offense, but STFUYDKWYATA. Frankly, it pisses me off that there are so many people, like yourself, who take any opportunity to blame DRM for every problem they encounter. Yeah, we get it. You don't like DRM, but please stop pretending DRM is the cause of every video or audio related issue. As an example, About 6 months ago when the Network issues with audio were identified, several people piped in "It's the DRM", when in fact it was not. Simply put, the video and audio piplines are complex pieces of code with multiple junction points were 3rd party code can insert itself. Certainly, DRM makes them more complex than they would be otherwise, but even without DRM they're still pretty complex. There are numerous points where a problem can cause failure that have nothing to do with DRM. As such, instantly blaming DRM not only fails to solve the problem, it causes people to give up on trying to find the real problem because they believe there's nothing they can do about DRM. It does nobody any good to whine about DRM when you simply haven't got any idea if that is true or not. You are simply projecting your dislike of DRM into every possible condition in which you can justify blaming it. </soapbox>
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You should read my reply. Quote:
Keep in mind I'm only speculating. There's any of a million things it could be.
Finally, calm down. I'm not trying to "blame" anything. Vista's DRM issues and their effects on performance are documented. I'm simply offering a possibility, one I freely admit is mere speculation. YOU'RE the one who has to learn to control your responses, in particular by not reading so much into mine. This being the lounge, I will end this here. I suggest you do the same.
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Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
No offense, but STFUYDKWYATA
WTF=STFUYDKWYATA? Even Google does not know this contraption. :confused:
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
WTF=STFUYDKWYATA? Even Google does not know this contraption.
Almost certainly an issue with Google's DRM system :)
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You should read my reply. Quote:
Keep in mind I'm only speculating. There's any of a million things it could be.
Finally, calm down. I'm not trying to "blame" anything. Vista's DRM issues and their effects on performance are documented. I'm simply offering a possibility, one I freely admit is mere speculation. YOU'RE the one who has to learn to control your responses, in particular by not reading so much into mine. This being the lounge, I will end this here. I suggest you do the same.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
Patrick Sears wrote:
Vista's DRM issues and their effects on performance are documented
Actually, no. Vista's "DRM Issues" and their "effects on performance" are speculated on. 99.9% of the people making that claim are using the "opinion" paper written by Peter Gutmann. This paper is pure opinion and speculation based on (poorly) analyzing a specification. It has zero analysis done to the actual code or implementation on Vista. Vista (and more likely 3rd party drivers) has problems, and bugs, that are 99 out of 100 times more likely to be the cause of these problems than DRM is. While I don't like DRM any more than anyone else, the fact of the matter is, this has become a religious war that people use any opportunity they can to get in swipes at Vista for it. I'm just tired of hearing people pipe in and blame DRM at the slightest hint of an audio or video problem, as you did. There is a mass hysteria going on about stuff, particularly related to Microsoft and the RIAA or MPAA, and people are prone to believe anything they hear that's negative toward them. Your response is couched and qualified. You believe it's DRM based on zero evidence. You've fallen for the propoganda hook, line and sinker. There has been a very disturbing trend going on with so called "technical" people repeating the same disinformation over and over. It started years ago when MS first announced "Palladium". People who were otherwise knowledgable were prone to repeating made up BS like "Palladium takes away your control" or "Microsoft owns your computer and you have no say in how it can be used". These are the same kinds of comments like "the V-Chip is going to take over your TV". Simply put, it's sensationalist hyperbole designed to instill fear and anger in people, and it's worked very well. This isn't REALLY directed at you, your post was just the trigger. I appologize for going medieval on your response. And don't think that i'm defending Vista either. Vista has plenty of issues and problems, but it's a lot more productive to deal with it's actual issues rather than made up ones.
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wasn't me...we have an HD player. I have not tried playing HD moves with our Vista machine. I will do some research and ask my husband when he gets home. What is your graphics card? I think that might be the problem. Haven't read it all but this might be part of it. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135814-c,windowsbugs/article.html[^]
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leckey wrote:
wasn't me...we have an HD player.
Well, I remember it was a woman, and you came to mind first :-D. You should be proud I guess... And thanks for the link, will read.
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leckey wrote:
wasn't me...we have an HD player.
Well, I remember it was a woman, and you came to mind first :-D. You should be proud I guess... And thanks for the link, will read.
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Patrick Sears wrote:
Vista's DRM issues and their effects on performance are documented
Actually, no. Vista's "DRM Issues" and their "effects on performance" are speculated on. 99.9% of the people making that claim are using the "opinion" paper written by Peter Gutmann. This paper is pure opinion and speculation based on (poorly) analyzing a specification. It has zero analysis done to the actual code or implementation on Vista. Vista (and more likely 3rd party drivers) has problems, and bugs, that are 99 out of 100 times more likely to be the cause of these problems than DRM is. While I don't like DRM any more than anyone else, the fact of the matter is, this has become a religious war that people use any opportunity they can to get in swipes at Vista for it. I'm just tired of hearing people pipe in and blame DRM at the slightest hint of an audio or video problem, as you did. There is a mass hysteria going on about stuff, particularly related to Microsoft and the RIAA or MPAA, and people are prone to believe anything they hear that's negative toward them. Your response is couched and qualified. You believe it's DRM based on zero evidence. You've fallen for the propoganda hook, line and sinker. There has been a very disturbing trend going on with so called "technical" people repeating the same disinformation over and over. It started years ago when MS first announced "Palladium". People who were otherwise knowledgable were prone to repeating made up BS like "Palladium takes away your control" or "Microsoft owns your computer and you have no say in how it can be used". These are the same kinds of comments like "the V-Chip is going to take over your TV". Simply put, it's sensationalist hyperbole designed to instill fear and anger in people, and it's worked very well. This isn't REALLY directed at you, your post was just the trigger. I appologize for going medieval on your response. And don't think that i'm defending Vista either. Vista has plenty of issues and problems, but it's a lot more productive to deal with it's actual issues rather than made up ones.
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Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
Simply put, it's sensationalist hyperbole designed to instill fear and anger in people, and it's worked very well.
Fear? No Anger? Yes. I'm angry that this BS technology is taking up residence in my PC. I do not need nor want it.
ROFLOLMFAO
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Do you have consent from the proper authorities to watch the movie? Did you install the necessary Authoritative Licensing Network Command rootkit?
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
That answer is obvious: no. :laugh:
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Patrick Sears wrote:
Vista's DRM issues and their effects on performance are documented
Actually, no. Vista's "DRM Issues" and their "effects on performance" are speculated on. 99.9% of the people making that claim are using the "opinion" paper written by Peter Gutmann. This paper is pure opinion and speculation based on (poorly) analyzing a specification. It has zero analysis done to the actual code or implementation on Vista. Vista (and more likely 3rd party drivers) has problems, and bugs, that are 99 out of 100 times more likely to be the cause of these problems than DRM is. While I don't like DRM any more than anyone else, the fact of the matter is, this has become a religious war that people use any opportunity they can to get in swipes at Vista for it. I'm just tired of hearing people pipe in and blame DRM at the slightest hint of an audio or video problem, as you did. There is a mass hysteria going on about stuff, particularly related to Microsoft and the RIAA or MPAA, and people are prone to believe anything they hear that's negative toward them. Your response is couched and qualified. You believe it's DRM based on zero evidence. You've fallen for the propoganda hook, line and sinker. There has been a very disturbing trend going on with so called "technical" people repeating the same disinformation over and over. It started years ago when MS first announced "Palladium". People who were otherwise knowledgable were prone to repeating made up BS like "Palladium takes away your control" or "Microsoft owns your computer and you have no say in how it can be used". These are the same kinds of comments like "the V-Chip is going to take over your TV". Simply put, it's sensationalist hyperbole designed to instill fear and anger in people, and it's worked very well. This isn't REALLY directed at you, your post was just the trigger. I appologize for going medieval on your response. And don't think that i'm defending Vista either. Vista has plenty of issues and problems, but it's a lot more productive to deal with it's actual issues rather than made up ones.
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While I agree with most of your post, I take issue with two things:
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
Your response is couched and qualified. You believe it's DRM based on zero evidence. You've fallen for the propoganda hook, line and sinker.
It could also be the video card. Now, based on that statement, would you say I believe it's the video card? No? But that's all I said about it being DRM. A mere suggestion is all I made. He asked what it could be. To say it could NEVER be DRM is about as reasonable as you're accusing me of being. I don't *believe* it's anything. That would require evidence, which as you point out, I have none. I don't believe it's the video card either. But it could be. As I said, you read too much into my response.
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
Simply put, it's sensationalist hyperbole designed to instill fear and anger in people, and it's worked very well.
DRM pissed me off long before the hyperbole set in. It's unethical, stifles innovation, and violates the social contract that copyright is based on. It's also far too permanent - technology has no idea when copyrights expire. This is my biggest beef with it. Once content has passed into the public domain, our computers will still be accusing us of breaking the law.
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
I appologize for going medieval on your response.
No harm done. If my skin were that thin, I wouldn't be here. :)
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Background: using Vista Ultimate on our "media center" PC. It has a P4 3GHz, I think around 1.5 GB memory (too lazy to check, but somewhere around there ;p). A 7200rpm HDD (this might matter, so figured i'd include in the description). And EVGA 7600 GT graphics card. I use VLC for playing movies, as WIndows Media Player is, well, not up to the task. Now, most movies play fine. However, any HD movie I throw at it, it just isnt able to play it properly. Sometimes sound lags behind video, sometimes other way around. Sometimes it just stops playing for a while, then resumes. I'd think this setup is enough, but apparently not. Now, I remember someone had a similar problem before (leckey, I think?). Have you solved it? If so, how? Anyone else got any help to offer?
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IIRC from when I looked at the minimum specs to play back HD (not 100% sure since I don't have any p4 systems), your CPU (assuming single core) is around the bottom end of the minimum spec range and nowhere near the recommended level. It could just be the CPU hitting its limit. A geforce 8xxx or radeon 2xxx/3xxx series card might help since they offload a significant fraction of the HD playback process onto dedicated hardware.
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