Philosophical thought of the day....

El Corazon

J4amieC wrote:

Not sure why bread above got voted down

Having just a teensy bit of history on aboriginal cultures, I don't agree that it is strange, per se. But I voted it back up to even it out. I am actually quite familiar with how all these things come about. But it still amazes me the sequences that go into it. I drink my coffee black, I figure that was how it was first done so I enjoy it natural. I can't imagine soaking my beans in the water and then saying, blech, I hate this water, but I will add milk and sugar to it to make it more enjoyable. :doh: Back to the milking the bull comment, would milk and sugar make that taste better too? X| Bread came in steps.... you have your crushed grains made into flour, which came from eating the grains raw first. If you have had flour and water bisquits you've tasted the first breads. Some things came by accidents, some by experimentation. Like me adding sage to my cooking, a cook tends to have something he adds that someone who taught him did not. Things grow, change from generation to generation and flour and water bread becomes modern combinations over much time and great diversity as each culture added different things to their grains as well as different source grains. Blue-corn looks horrible as a rough ground flour -> bread (slightly better as a modern finely ground flour to start with). But blue-corn breads are actually pretty tasty.

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Dario Solera

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

Amazingly, this is supposed to be the most expensive coffee you can buy.

You get what you pay for, right?

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leckey 0

The indigenous people tried all kinds of plants. That's how they knew certain plants were good medicinally. They chewed the beans for an energy boost. Not sure why they decided to add water. From wikipedia Coffee use can be traced at least to as early as the 9th century, when it appeared in the highlands of Ethiopia.[1] According to legend, Ethiopian shepherds were the first to observe the influence of the caffeine in coffee beans when the goats appeared to "dance" and to have an increased level of energy after consuming wild coffee berries.[11] The legend names the shepherd "Kaldi." From Ethiopia, coffee spread to Egypt and Yemen,[12] and by the 15th century, it had reached the rest of the Middle East, Persia, Turkey, and northern Africa.

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Malcolm Smart

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

jungle cat of some kind to eat the beans, and then crap them out.

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El Corazon

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

Amazingly, this is supposed to be the most expensive coffee you can buy.

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El Corazon

Jim Crafton wrote:

Too bad he didn't figure to use a bucket to catch the stuff!"

probably didn't bother to pull anything either.... Ug see, Ug do.... ;P

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Matthew Faithfull

This mystery along with the origins of brewing, steel making which appears at far ends of the earth apparently independently and other ancient arts that appear to require knowledge or understanding not thought to exist until relatively recently have fascinated me for along time. They are circumstantial evidence for a relatively technologically advanced pre-deluvian civilisation, of which they are the only surviving remnant ideas but there is insufficient evidence and scant biblical basis for making a real theory out of this. The other more troubling possible source for such knowledge is that from which amazonian tribes have derived a knowledge of medicinal plant use superior in many cases to the most advanced current pharmacology. It would be sad indeed to think that the basic technologies of modern civilisation were learned through divination and I prefer the former idea. No doubt many will prefer the idea that these things were learned over many millenia of gradual development. Possible in some cases but very hard to imagine in others.

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Jim Crafton

Yeah, I imagine the whole pulling bit may have take a little experimentation :) Sadly we've no historical documents left to know whether or not poor Ug's wife may have helped here.

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My great food related mystery is how and more importantly why people spent the time to figure out just how and what parts of a blowfish you can eat without dying.

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El Corazon

John C wrote:

My great food related mystery is how and more importantly why people spent the time to figure out just how and what parts of a blowfish you can eat without dying.

In the immortal words of Socrates: "I drank what?"

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Vikram A Punathambekar

*If* the bull decides to let you live after you've, umm, aroused it, that is. :-D

Cheers, Vikram.

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Vikram A Punathambekar

:laugh:

Cheers, Vikram.

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Steve Mayfield

seeing a calf feed itself should have been enough of a clue... :doh:

Steve

Steve Mayfield

maybe it was as simple as catching rain runoff from the coffee plant...later on a cool evening they just heated the concoction to warm up and voila!

Steve

El Corazon

Steve Mayfield wrote:

seeing a calf feed itself should have been enough of a clue...

Ug wasn't that bright.... perhaps it even took the coincidence of seeing the two events happening simultaneously before the idea clicked.... His wife might even have had twins, fully occupied. The cow had a few spares. After that it was just a quick note to how many animals had spares. A bit of experimentation to find out which were digestible, a bit of time passes, and we have the modern list of who drinks what. :)

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UncaDanno

Right you are. The accepted tale is that an Egyptian shepherd noticed the goats were friskier and more playful after eating the cherries off a coffe bush. (Yes, "cherries". Coffee is a fruit. The bean analogous to the pit. But that's another story.) Getting the "benefits" from eating the cherries evolved into the discovery of eating the dried pits and thence to crushing and eating, then roasting, crushing, and steeping the pits in water.

Roger Wright

What about the guy (or gal) that first ate an artichoke? That sucker was hungry! And what were the circumstances leading to the discovery that one can get stoned by licking the underside of a certain toad? And does the toad enjoy it, too? And why don't I ever get invited to those kind of parties? I'll bet Michael Martin was involved, though... :-D

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leppie

El Corazon wrote:

How did someone come up with coffee?

They were smoking weed :)

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El Corazon

Roger Wright wrote:

And why don't I ever get invited to those kind of parties?

I can't speak for you... but I was always a geek, I never got to go to those parties. The few I went to we sat around discussing black holes and Einstein-Rosen bridges. After the first two, you realize they are all the same and stop going.... Man you start wishing for that toad just to liven things up a bit!

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