Woman from Arkansas gets 6 months in jail for sending "racially charged letter"
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
Do I get jail time now?
I have forwarded this to the FBI, with any luck...
You will be exterminated.
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You will be exterminated.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
You will be exterminated.
Not by the likes of your wimpy racist drug headed ass! Get a life.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
You will be exterminated.
Not by the likes of your wimpy racist drug headed ass! Get a life.
A wimpy racist drug headed ass, lol. Dream on.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Let me repeat: SHE PLEAD GUILTY.
But do you think she should have been charged in the first place? Political correctness is like a religion, there is no evidence that it is beneficial, and it it's proponents act like offended Muslims whenever a white person is hateful, all while black people like the one in the youtube video I posted a few posts up can get by with saying things much more racist than what she said. Oh, and get out of my thread Joshua, your agreement is the last thing anyone needs.
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Demon Possessed wrote:
But do you think she should have been charged in the first place?
She was stupid enough to use the U.S Mail to threaten them (hence charge # 1). She accused them of damaging property values just by their racial composition (hence charge #2). Just for her white trash stupidity she deserved to be charged. And to repeat: the bad acts of others DO NOT EXCUSE this bad act. In no moral code, no system of ethics, nor code of justice do two wrongs cancel each other out.
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Demon Possessed wrote:
But do you think she should have been charged in the first place?
She was stupid enough to use the U.S Mail to threaten them (hence charge # 1). She accused them of damaging property values just by their racial composition (hence charge #2). Just for her white trash stupidity she deserved to be charged. And to repeat: the bad acts of others DO NOT EXCUSE this bad act. In no moral code, no system of ethics, nor code of justice do two wrongs cancel each other out.
Rob Graham wrote:
Just for her white trash stupidity she deserved to be charged.
That statement right there disqualifies you from making any future arguments on this or related subjects. If that statement is true then you deserve to be punished for your stupidity.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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Demon Possessed wrote:
But do you think she should have been charged in the first place?
She was stupid enough to use the U.S Mail to threaten them (hence charge # 1). She accused them of damaging property values just by their racial composition (hence charge #2). Just for her white trash stupidity she deserved to be charged. And to repeat: the bad acts of others DO NOT EXCUSE this bad act. In no moral code, no system of ethics, nor code of justice do two wrongs cancel each other out.
Rob Graham wrote:
She was stupid enough to use the U.S Mail to threaten them
I missed the part about threats. Don't you think terroristic threatening would have gotten more than 6 months?
Rob Graham wrote:
She accused them of damaging property values just by their racial composition (hence charge #2).
And how is this a crime?
Rob Graham wrote:
Just for her white trash stupidity
Are you going to turn yourself in to the police now?
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http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2007/12/sentencing_in_maumelle_hate_cr.aspx[^] Because the letter violated the recipients "fair housing" rights. :rolleyes: Who cares about free speech when the feelings of minorities are stake!
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As I understand, it's feds business because she sent it with mail? I haven't read the letter, but the punishment seems disproportionate.
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http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2007/12/sentencing_in_maumelle_hate_cr.aspx[^] Because the letter violated the recipients "fair housing" rights. :rolleyes: Who cares about free speech when the feelings of minorities are stake!
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I think there is a fine line between free speech and inciting fear/violence. If the free speech is directed on one person to incite fear then I think that is heinous--but I don't believe in hate crimes. A white family could do the same to another white resident based on religion, sex, sexual orientation etc. Intimidation is intimidation.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Let me repeat: SHE PLEAD GUILTY.
But do you think she should have been charged in the first place? Political correctness is like a religion, there is no evidence that it is beneficial, and it it's proponents act like offended Muslims whenever a white person is hateful, all while black people like the one in the youtube video I posted a few posts up can get by with saying things much more racist than what she said. Oh, and get out of my thread Joshua, your agreement is the last thing anyone needs.
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Demon Possessed wrote:
But do you think she should have been charged in the first place?
Quite simply, Yes. She gave the victims cause to fear for their own safety and freedom by threatening them. That is the line between the freedom to insult people and ending up in jail to protect others. Is it worth 12 months (6 in prison, 6 house arrest)? That is for your laws and your judges to decide.
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Demon Possessed wrote:
But do you think she should have been charged in the first place?
Quite simply, Yes. She gave the victims cause to fear for their own safety and freedom by threatening them. That is the line between the freedom to insult people and ending up in jail to protect others. Is it worth 12 months (6 in prison, 6 house arrest)? That is for your laws and your judges to decide.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
She gave the victims cause to fear for their own safety and freedom by threatening them.
And what was the threat that she made?
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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Rob Graham wrote:
She was stupid enough to use the U.S Mail to threaten them
I missed the part about threats. Don't you think terroristic threatening would have gotten more than 6 months?
Rob Graham wrote:
She accused them of damaging property values just by their racial composition (hence charge #2).
And how is this a crime?
Rob Graham wrote:
Just for her white trash stupidity
Are you going to turn yourself in to the police now?
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As a white man, I'm entitled to hold that opinion of that woman, no racism involved. She, and you, are lousy representatives for our common race.
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As a white man, I'm entitled to hold that opinion of that woman, no racism involved. She, and you, are lousy representatives for our common race.
Rob Graham wrote:
She, and you, are lousy representatives for our common race.
I think your have completely missed the point as usual. I never defended what she said. In my reply to you I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy that she (a white woman) goes to jail for accusing black people of lowering property values while a black college professor can keep his job after calling for the genocide of white people. And I was also pointing out that the constitutional right to freedom of speech is being disregarded in favor of political correctness. Not that I expect you to see my point though, considering that all you seem capable of is the knee jerk "OMG RACISM!1!!1!" reaction. :rolleyes:
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David Wulff wrote:
She gave the victims cause to fear for their own safety and freedom by threatening them.
And what was the threat that she made?
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
Evidently the woman's own lawyer felt she had made one. If he thought she had not, he would not have advised a guilty plea. You seem to forget that the woman plead guilty - i.e. she admitted to committing whatever the hell she was charged with.
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Evidently the woman's own lawyer felt she had made one. If he thought she had not, he would not have advised a guilty plea. You seem to forget that the woman plead guilty - i.e. she admitted to committing whatever the hell she was charged with.
Thats not what I asked.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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David Wulff wrote:
She gave the victims cause to fear for their own safety and freedom by threatening them.
And what was the threat that she made?
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
Just a note from ALL your new neighbors in the new neighborhood. This is a white neighborhood and if you have to choose to live in a white neighborhood ACT white not like niggers. Keep your children contained in your house and not hanging out in the street like gangs. You really hurt the property value of the neighborhood. We so appreciate that.
Given Arkansas' history, which you are fortunate enough to be too young to have experienced, and the nature of the letter it is very obviously a threat. A hint, seeing as you seem to be having difficulties: the threat is not in calling them niggers--although her actions outside of the letter are certainly morally reprehensible. (For example, believing that 'the 12 year-old nigger son' would rape her daughter simply because some African Americans had comitted a rape nearby.) It is politically popular to jump on the hate crime "oh my god they are oppressing me again" wagon at the moment, especially as you seek to find argument in everything, but all your country's hate laws do is allow further sentencing for existing crimes. A hate crime was still a crime punishable by law before the term was ever written on paper. You need to be found guilty of the original crime before you can be sentenced further, it cannot be taken into account to decide a verdict. Hate crime is not a label added on me saying "I hate niggers", or parading round with it on a bill board. A hate crime would be me approaching a specific black person and saying "I hate you because you are black... so you'd better keep your kids indoors [or I might hurt them]". Threats can be implied. Ironically, and I'm sure you'll have all sorts of difficulties comprehending this, it was precisely the freedoms afforded to both parties in this specific case that caused the crime to be committed in the first place. As Rob has pointed out a few times to deaf ears, the fact that her legal representation advised her to plead guilty means that quite obviously she did break the laws, either of Arkansas or your federal laws. Case closed.
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Just a note from ALL your new neighbors in the new neighborhood. This is a white neighborhood and if you have to choose to live in a white neighborhood ACT white not like niggers. Keep your children contained in your house and not hanging out in the street like gangs. You really hurt the property value of the neighborhood. We so appreciate that.
Given Arkansas' history, which you are fortunate enough to be too young to have experienced, and the nature of the letter it is very obviously a threat. A hint, seeing as you seem to be having difficulties: the threat is not in calling them niggers--although her actions outside of the letter are certainly morally reprehensible. (For example, believing that 'the 12 year-old nigger son' would rape her daughter simply because some African Americans had comitted a rape nearby.) It is politically popular to jump on the hate crime "oh my god they are oppressing me again" wagon at the moment, especially as you seek to find argument in everything, but all your country's hate laws do is allow further sentencing for existing crimes. A hate crime was still a crime punishable by law before the term was ever written on paper. You need to be found guilty of the original crime before you can be sentenced further, it cannot be taken into account to decide a verdict. Hate crime is not a label added on me saying "I hate niggers", or parading round with it on a bill board. A hate crime would be me approaching a specific black person and saying "I hate you because you are black... so you'd better keep your kids indoors [or I might hurt them]". Threats can be implied. Ironically, and I'm sure you'll have all sorts of difficulties comprehending this, it was precisely the freedoms afforded to both parties in this specific case that caused the crime to be committed in the first place. As Rob has pointed out a few times to deaf ears, the fact that her legal representation advised her to plead guilty means that quite obviously she did break the laws, either of Arkansas or your federal laws. Case closed.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkShe made no threat. She made a statement about how they are depreciating the neighborhoods property value. Regardless if it is true or not, she did not say she would take action against them, she did not make a threat. She might have spooked them or angered them but she made no threat. I don't know how you define what a hate crime is but hate is an emotion, not a crime. What next?
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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She made no threat. She made a statement about how they are depreciating the neighborhoods property value. Regardless if it is true or not, she did not say she would take action against them, she did not make a threat. She might have spooked them or angered them but she made no threat. I don't know how you define what a hate crime is but hate is an emotion, not a crime. What next?
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I don't know how you define what a hate crime is but hate is an emotion, not a crime
Erm... yes. Well done, that is correct. I knew you would have difficulties comprehending it. I wasted my time. :sigh:
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I don't know how you define what a hate crime is but hate is an emotion, not a crime
Erm... yes. Well done, that is correct. I knew you would have difficulties comprehending it. I wasted my time. :sigh:
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Erm... yes. Well done, that is correct. I knew you would have difficulties comprehending it. I wasted my time.
Yes it went completely over his head. It is embarrassing to have him agreeing with me.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I don't know how you define what a hate crime is but hate is an emotion, not a crime
Erm... yes. Well done, that is correct. I knew you would have difficulties comprehending it. I wasted my time. :sigh:
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkI understood what you wrote, and you twisted what she wrote in the letter to make it sound threatening. If she don't like black people then so be it, I don't care. Its her personal feelings. That letter was foolish however it is not punishable. She should have got a warning stating she will not contact the naigbors she intimidated.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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No one should get jail time for that. She was expressing her views.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
Any kind of personal threat at all, including implied, is considered assault. Inbreeders huh...
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