UML tool ?
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This may not be a popular thing to say here (Judging by what ive read below) but Visio? Seriously? I tried Visio a while back, but found it to be hard to use, slow and of course in true MS style, didnt use the defined UML standards for a few things... I used Rational Rose Enterprise version, and to be blunt, its brilliant. The problem with Rose is, its expensive, but otherwise, In my opinion, makes mince meat out of Visio. Now I'm not sure if Visio does this, but the whole ability to generated C++ code back in the 2003 version, direct from your model was awesome; creating Sequence Diagrams from drag and drop i found better than Visio and even designing Database Schema's (which Rose will then dump out as SQL code, so creating what youve designed takes as long as the SQL code takes to run!) What I found Rose 2003 (and of course Visio 2005) lacking, was little support for Tests and in the case of Rose 2003 (i dont know if Visio can do this) not being able to 'insert' code into a method, which would appear when the method was later generated. Still, if youre looking for a SERIOUS UML Tool, you have to at least try Rose; it has a steep learning curve, but nothing you shouldnt be able to figure out assuming you know the basic's of UML (in my case, I vary rarely use more than Class Interaction Diagrams and Sequence Diagrams to establish my relationships and thus define my classes and methods)...
MrZaggy wrote:
I used Rational Rose Enterprise version, and to be blunt, its brilliant.
Well, I don't fine Rational Rose any easier.
MrZaggy wrote:
Now I'm not sure if Visio does this, but the whole ability to generated C++ code back in the 2003 version, direct from your model was awesome;
I remeber that Visio shipped with Visual Studio 98 (don't know what version was that) could generate C++ code from UML model.
Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering around in his head. (Charles M Strauss)
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Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good UML tool (free/paid) ? Something that has code generation over the graphic modules, reverse engineering, and some integration with VS2008 if possible. Thanks in advance Leandro :cool:
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This may not be a popular thing to say here (Judging by what ive read below) but Visio? Seriously? I tried Visio a while back, but found it to be hard to use, slow and of course in true MS style, didnt use the defined UML standards for a few things... I used Rational Rose Enterprise version, and to be blunt, its brilliant. The problem with Rose is, its expensive, but otherwise, In my opinion, makes mince meat out of Visio. Now I'm not sure if Visio does this, but the whole ability to generated C++ code back in the 2003 version, direct from your model was awesome; creating Sequence Diagrams from drag and drop i found better than Visio and even designing Database Schema's (which Rose will then dump out as SQL code, so creating what youve designed takes as long as the SQL code takes to run!) What I found Rose 2003 (and of course Visio 2005) lacking, was little support for Tests and in the case of Rose 2003 (i dont know if Visio can do this) not being able to 'insert' code into a method, which would appear when the method was later generated. Still, if youre looking for a SERIOUS UML Tool, you have to at least try Rose; it has a steep learning curve, but nothing you shouldnt be able to figure out assuming you know the basic's of UML (in my case, I vary rarely use more than Class Interaction Diagrams and Sequence Diagrams to establish my relationships and thus define my classes and methods)...
MrZaggy wrote:
I tried Visio a while back, but found it to be hard to use, slow and of course in true MS style
Of course in true Microsoft style.. :laugh: Microsoft bought Visio back in 99. Good graphic programs are hard to make, eg 3D Max!! If you ever see the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator SDK you'll forgive Microsoft for their "simple to use" graphic products. http://redmondmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=1487[^]
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Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good UML tool (free/paid) ? Something that has code generation over the graphic modules, reverse engineering, and some integration with VS2008 if possible. Thanks in advance Leandro :cool:
For Free: StarUML isn't bad. You might check out ArgoUML, although it's still in beta. The visual paradigm community version is pretty good, but a little un-intuitive to me. I really like(d) Poseidon. Unfortunately the free community edition now seems to have a time-limit on it (so only free for awhile).
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Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good UML tool (free/paid) ? Something that has code generation over the graphic modules, reverse engineering, and some integration with VS2008 if possible. Thanks in advance Leandro :cool:
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Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good UML tool (free/paid) ? Something that has code generation over the graphic modules, reverse engineering, and some integration with VS2008 if possible. Thanks in advance Leandro :cool:
I have not tried this but there is a "community version" available for download from visual-paradigm. All I have been looking for is a quick reference cheat sheet for recalling what are the various lines and arrows for class diagrams. I have not found one reduced to one page. http://www.visual-paradigm.com/product/vpuml/[^] Sometimes, one must learn by doing. Good luck. :)
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Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good UML tool (free/paid) ? Something that has code generation over the graphic modules, reverse engineering, and some integration with VS2008 if possible. Thanks in advance Leandro :cool:
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MrZaggy wrote:
I tried Visio a while back, but found it to be hard to use, slow and of course in true MS style
Of course in true Microsoft style.. :laugh: Microsoft bought Visio back in 99. Good graphic programs are hard to make, eg 3D Max!! If you ever see the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator SDK you'll forgive Microsoft for their "simple to use" graphic products. http://redmondmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=1487[^]
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MrZaggy wrote:
I used Rational Rose Enterprise version, and to be blunt, its brilliant.
Well, I don't fine Rational Rose any easier.
MrZaggy wrote:
Now I'm not sure if Visio does this, but the whole ability to generated C++ code back in the 2003 version, direct from your model was awesome;
I remeber that Visio shipped with Visual Studio 98 (don't know what version was that) could generate C++ code from UML model.
Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering around in his head. (Charles M Strauss)
Everyone has their own styles and 'work-flow'. I guess for me, Rose fits better into my work-flow and style (which admittedly is very biased towards 'design it all first' so that coding becomes almost a clerical excercise!). First Visio I REALLY had a good play with was 2005. I used Rose from before the 2003 version, but that version (2003) was the first one I really used to generate code from (could earlier versions of Rose dump out code, anyone?). I was pretty bummed out with Visio really, but one can't overlook the fact that I know Rose well and Visio just wasn't Rose-like enough for me? Still, for me, I would recommend Rose to people. For me its the tool that I use and feel most comfortable with.
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I have not tried this but there is a "community version" available for download from visual-paradigm. All I have been looking for is a quick reference cheat sheet for recalling what are the various lines and arrows for class diagrams. I have not found one reduced to one page. http://www.visual-paradigm.com/product/vpuml/[^] Sometimes, one must learn by doing. Good luck. :)
<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">ronDW wrote:</div>All I have been looking for is a quick reference cheat sheet for recalling what are the various lines and arrows for class diagrams</blockquote> Try http://www.holub.com/goodies/uml/ Its a useful little primer to keep handy, more than a single page, but you can extract what you want from it fairly easily.
Nothing is impossible, we just don't know the way of it yet.
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Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good UML tool (free/paid) ? Something that has code generation over the graphic modules, reverse engineering, and some integration with VS2008 if possible. Thanks in advance Leandro :cool:
there are quite a few suggestions here: http://geekswithblogs.net/flanakin/archive/2004/01/28/1594.aspx