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    NetDave
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    So I got my nifty new soundcard compatible turntable, plug it in, and go to start recording some old vinyl. But I can't figure out how, or if it's possible, to monitor the audio while it's recording. I swear I've done this before, years ago with ye ald Adaptec Creator on my Win95 machine. I even installed the Creative Sound Blaster PCI card that I scavenged out of that computer when I sent it to the boneyard, but still no results. Is this a hardware issue, or some secret setting in XP that I can enable :confused: I've tried this with Windows Recorder and Audacity so far. Thanks, Dave

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      So I got my nifty new soundcard compatible turntable, plug it in, and go to start recording some old vinyl. But I can't figure out how, or if it's possible, to monitor the audio while it's recording. I swear I've done this before, years ago with ye ald Adaptec Creator on my Win95 machine. I even installed the Creative Sound Blaster PCI card that I scavenged out of that computer when I sent it to the boneyard, but still no results. Is this a hardware issue, or some secret setting in XP that I can enable :confused: I've tried this with Windows Recorder and Audacity so far. Thanks, Dave

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      The Windows Mixer should allow you to route any kind of input to the output: It depends on the souncard 8driver), but generally, it has a "master slider" , and separate sliders for different sound sources, such as Wave, MIDI, CD-Player, and Line-In. You are probably interested in the letter (and make sure not to check the checkbox). Of course, Soundcards nowadays insist on replacing the boring and slightly confusing windows mixer with their own software that excels on the latter while making you wish for the former. Go to control panel, sounds and audio devices to access your tro-to-everything mixer. (most SC software is just fromt end to the windows mixer).

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        The Windows Mixer should allow you to route any kind of input to the output: It depends on the souncard 8driver), but generally, it has a "master slider" , and separate sliders for different sound sources, such as Wave, MIDI, CD-Player, and Line-In. You are probably interested in the letter (and make sure not to check the checkbox). Of course, Soundcards nowadays insist on replacing the boring and slightly confusing windows mixer with their own software that excels on the latter while making you wish for the former. Go to control panel, sounds and audio devices to access your tro-to-everything mixer. (most SC software is just fromt end to the windows mixer).

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        Yeah...Soundblaster used to have this 'What U Hear' feature that was a handy sort of 'Master-Out'...I use the built in sound card on my motherboard these days and it doesn't have that.

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          So I got my nifty new soundcard compatible turntable, plug it in, and go to start recording some old vinyl. But I can't figure out how, or if it's possible, to monitor the audio while it's recording. I swear I've done this before, years ago with ye ald Adaptec Creator on my Win95 machine. I even installed the Creative Sound Blaster PCI card that I scavenged out of that computer when I sent it to the boneyard, but still no results. Is this a hardware issue, or some secret setting in XP that I can enable :confused: I've tried this with Windows Recorder and Audacity so far. Thanks, Dave

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          Chris Losinger
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          you also need to make sure that your card can actually play back while recording. some cards (esp. 'integrated' audio stuff) can't do it. i bought a new Dell a few months ago and i went to do exactly what you're trying to do, but soon discovered that the on-board integrated sound processor that the computer shipped with didn't have 'full duplex' capability. so, i skipped over to BestBuy and bought a new sound card that could.

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            The Windows Mixer should allow you to route any kind of input to the output: It depends on the souncard 8driver), but generally, it has a "master slider" , and separate sliders for different sound sources, such as Wave, MIDI, CD-Player, and Line-In. You are probably interested in the letter (and make sure not to check the checkbox). Of course, Soundcards nowadays insist on replacing the boring and slightly confusing windows mixer with their own software that excels on the latter while making you wish for the former. Go to control panel, sounds and audio devices to access your tro-to-everything mixer. (most SC software is just fromt end to the windows mixer).

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            peterchen wrote:

            The Windows Mixer should allow you to route any kind of input to the output

            Bingo!!! I had Googled my a** off looking for how to do this. When I searched for "Windows Mixer", it took me right to what I needed. The solution was to open the Properties dialog for the Playback controls and enable the input (Mic and Aux) volume controls. Once done, they were showing up as muted. Unmuting the (Aux, in my case) input control did exactly what I was looking for. :cool: Egad, you CP'ians are just amazing! Thanks for your help! And now, my vintage vinyl awaits it's conversion to eternal audio CD format.

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              So I got my nifty new soundcard compatible turntable, plug it in, and go to start recording some old vinyl. But I can't figure out how, or if it's possible, to monitor the audio while it's recording. I swear I've done this before, years ago with ye ald Adaptec Creator on my Win95 machine. I even installed the Creative Sound Blaster PCI card that I scavenged out of that computer when I sent it to the boneyard, but still no results. Is this a hardware issue, or some secret setting in XP that I can enable :confused: I've tried this with Windows Recorder and Audacity so far. Thanks, Dave

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              NetDave wrote:

              soundcard compatible turntable

              Huh? My old turntable (1980s) works just fine so it must be "soundcard compatible".

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                NetDave wrote:

                soundcard compatible turntable

                Huh? My old turntable (1980s) works just fine so it must be "soundcard compatible".

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                The problem (at least partly) is that the output of a "normal" record player has a much lower voltage than "standard" hi-fi components such as cassette decks or CD players. Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phono_input[^] for a better description. A normal sound card expects roughly 1 Volt peak to peak, I think, so you need a pre-amplifier to connect a (millivolt-level) phono signal. Maybe the "boost" setting on newer sound cards is equivalent to having a pre-amp?

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                  The problem (at least partly) is that the output of a "normal" record player has a much lower voltage than "standard" hi-fi components such as cassette decks or CD players. Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phono_input[^] for a better description. A normal sound card expects roughly 1 Volt peak to peak, I think, so you need a pre-amplifier to connect a (millivolt-level) phono signal. Maybe the "boost" setting on newer sound cards is equivalent to having a pre-amp?

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                  Yeah, but I need a pre-amp to connect it to my receiver anyway. All I had to get was a cable to connect the two RCA jacks to the line-in on the sound card. Are they now selling turntables with the pre-amp built in?

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                    Yeah, but I need a pre-amp to connect it to my receiver anyway. All I had to get was a cable to connect the two RCA jacks to the line-in on the sound card. Are they now selling turntables with the pre-amp built in?

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                    I haven't done any research (most of my LPs have been turned into flower-pots) but the original post talked about soundcard-ready turntables, which I guess implies built-in pre-amp.

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