What is Java?
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From the Sun website[1]: What is Java? Java allows you to play online games, chat with people around the world, calculate your mortgage interest, and view images in 3D. These applications, written in the Java programming language and accessible from your browser, are called "applets". Corporations also use Java applets for intranet applications and other e-business solutions. Hardly solid marketing speak for a so-called enterprise development platform. [1] I was redirected there because Firefox wanted to run a Java applet.
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From the Sun website[1]: What is Java? Java allows you to play online games, chat with people around the world, calculate your mortgage interest, and view images in 3D. These applications, written in the Java programming language and accessible from your browser, are called "applets". Corporations also use Java applets for intranet applications and other e-business solutions. Hardly solid marketing speak for a so-called enterprise development platform. [1] I was redirected there because Firefox wanted to run a Java applet.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Hardly solid marketing speak for a so-called enterprise development platform.
Well, there are two competing factions in the world. Calvin said it best in the strip with him sitting in front of the TV: "Pander to me". So, Sun is marketing Java to those people that need pandering. The last tag line gives those same people a sense that "oooh, I'm part of something really cool now." Then there's the other faction, that is actually capable of creative endeavors and original thinking. They don't use Java, so why market to them? ;P Marc
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From the Sun website[1]: What is Java? Java allows you to play online games, chat with people around the world, calculate your mortgage interest, and view images in 3D. These applications, written in the Java programming language and accessible from your browser, are called "applets". Corporations also use Java applets for intranet applications and other e-business solutions. Hardly solid marketing speak for a so-called enterprise development platform. [1] I was redirected there because Firefox wanted to run a Java applet.
From the Microsoft website[1]: What is .Net? .NET is the Microsoft Web services strategy to connect information, people, systems, and devices through software. Integrated across the Microsoft platform, .NET technology provides the ability to quickly build, deploy, manage, and use connected, security-enhanced solutions with Web services. .NET-connected solutions enable businesses to integrate their systems more rapidly and in a more agile manner and help them realize the promise of information anytime, anywhere, on any device. Very solid marketing speak for an enterprise development platform. Just not cool sounding!
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From the Microsoft website[1]: What is .Net? .NET is the Microsoft Web services strategy to connect information, people, systems, and devices through software. Integrated across the Microsoft platform, .NET technology provides the ability to quickly build, deploy, manage, and use connected, security-enhanced solutions with Web services. .NET-connected solutions enable businesses to integrate their systems more rapidly and in a more agile manner and help them realize the promise of information anytime, anywhere, on any device. Very solid marketing speak for an enterprise development platform. Just not cool sounding!
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From the Microsoft website[1]: What is .Net? .NET is the Microsoft Web services strategy to connect information, people, systems, and devices through software. Integrated across the Microsoft platform, .NET technology provides the ability to quickly build, deploy, manage, and use connected, security-enhanced solutions with Web services. .NET-connected solutions enable businesses to integrate their systems more rapidly and in a more agile manner and help them realize the promise of information anytime, anywhere, on any device. Very solid marketing speak for an enterprise development platform. Just not cool sounding!
Bert delaVega wrote:
Just not cool sounding!
Not only that, but it sounds like total BS. Oh wait, that's because it is total BS. Let's see how I fare, from my Interacx website, "What Is Interacx": Interacx is a suite of tools, client components, and middleware applications for use in the development of sophisticated client-server solutions. Interacx solves real world client/server issues in two ways. Interacx reduces/eliminates the need for hand coded SQL, complicated ORM-based solutions, and custom client-side code. Interacx automates key aspects of client-server requirements such as secure communications, roles and permissions, data synchronization, transaction history/audits, and smart client (working offline) synchronization. Marc
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From the Microsoft website[1]: What is .Net? .NET is the Microsoft Web services strategy to connect information, people, systems, and devices through software. Integrated across the Microsoft platform, .NET technology provides the ability to quickly build, deploy, manage, and use connected, security-enhanced solutions with Web services. .NET-connected solutions enable businesses to integrate their systems more rapidly and in a more agile manner and help them realize the promise of information anytime, anywhere, on any device. Very solid marketing speak for an enterprise development platform. Just not cool sounding!
You have a point. They're both marketing BS, but the Java "play online games, chat with people around the world, calculate your mortgage interest, and view images in 3D" really conjures up Fisher-Price images for me. It looks like the marketing director's baby daughter threw in the mortgage interest at the last minute to make it sound more adult and business like.
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Bert delaVega wrote:
Just not cool sounding!
Not only that, but it sounds like total BS. Oh wait, that's because it is total BS. Let's see how I fare, from my Interacx website, "What Is Interacx": Interacx is a suite of tools, client components, and middleware applications for use in the development of sophisticated client-server solutions. Interacx solves real world client/server issues in two ways. Interacx reduces/eliminates the need for hand coded SQL, complicated ORM-based solutions, and custom client-side code. Interacx automates key aspects of client-server requirements such as secure communications, roles and permissions, data synchronization, transaction history/audits, and smart client (working offline) synchronization. Marc
Not too bad; I'm downloading a trial.
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You have a point. They're both marketing BS, but the Java "play online games, chat with people around the world, calculate your mortgage interest, and view images in 3D" really conjures up Fisher-Price images for me. It looks like the marketing director's baby daughter threw in the mortgage interest at the last minute to make it sound more adult and business like.
Well, that's because they made the mistake of suggesting it was actually useful for specific types of applications. This immediately leads to you thinking, "oh, well, those must be it's targets then." The .NET blurb makes no such mistake - either you're allergic to BS, immediately go into shock, and have to be dragged away from the site by paramedics... or you buy into it and start thinking, "they refuse to specify what it's good for - it must be good for everything!" :rolleyes:
But who is the king of all of these folks?
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From the Sun website[1]: What is Java? Java allows you to play online games, chat with people around the world, calculate your mortgage interest, and view images in 3D. These applications, written in the Java programming language and accessible from your browser, are called "applets". Corporations also use Java applets for intranet applications and other e-business solutions. Hardly solid marketing speak for a so-called enterprise development platform. [1] I was redirected there because Firefox wanted to run a Java applet.
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Well, that's because they made the mistake of suggesting it was actually useful for specific types of applications. This immediately leads to you thinking, "oh, well, those must be it's targets then." The .NET blurb makes no such mistake - either you're allergic to BS, immediately go into shock, and have to be dragged away from the site by paramedics... or you buy into it and start thinking, "they refuse to specify what it's good for - it must be good for everything!" :rolleyes:
But who is the king of all of these folks?
> "they refuse to specify what it's good for - it must be good for everything Which is what they managed to pursuade a lot of people to think. Some with good (less C-like hackery), and some with catastrophic consequences IMHO.. The fact is, it is useful but certainly not for everything (numerics, scientific, high-performance, gaming, clusters, streaming, a few of many). And it will be made obsolete eventually with WPF/Silverlight/DLR push into 'string' programming (lol:) ). Just like all MS tech is (apart from DirectX which they are really trying hard to keep alive all these years, the 'only' COM survivor aport from Office, IE, etc lol; Vista and 2008 actually pushes its own version of COM internally ). Seems to me device and service landscape as well as moving away from imperative code is an example of it; you know new kind of PCs and tech. But it so reminds me of LINQ sales-pitches early on, it is suitable for everything, while in fact it damages a brain, in permanent Cobol- or RegExp-fashion, with (pre)set logic. As much as IIS+ASP+SQL notion of n-tier 'revolution' regenerated in .NET was.. abysmal. Parallel guys seem to be doing good work but I don't think it will be an easy retrofit for their market, if ever (aka how do you supplant a modern VB / C# guy into the realm of parallel or distributed algorithms?) Which is what they are trying to figure out, with all that immutable fuss.. causing even more overhead, great!
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A Coffee.. 100% running nowhere, fast. It must be made slow to be any good.