Getting an american Visa.
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Oakman wrote:
You say you remembered all my insults
No, not all. I just remember you said some generic bullshit about slavery in my country. No, I don't remember the details. Sorry for not giving to you the same detailed attention you have for me. ;P
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Diego Moita wrote:
Sorry for not giving to you the same detailed attention you have for me
I understand. After all I am just another gringo to resent. And there are so many of us. Whereas you - well, you are the only Brazilian clown who shares his thought here.
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_Zorro_ wrote:
and it sounds racist
When I'm being racist, there won't be any "sounds" about it. Meanwhile here's your clue: The U.S. is not obligated to give a shit whether you want to go to work or not. You don't pay taxes here. You aren't a citizen. And you don't deserve any special consideration.
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Oakman wrote:
When I'm being racist, there won't be any "sounds" about it.
Smart..
Oakman wrote:
Meanwhile here's your clue: The U.S. is not obligated to give a sh*t whether you want to go to work or not. You don't pay taxes here. You aren't a citizen. And you don't deserve any special consideration.
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is. Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing? You know, that's really not my situation, but I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
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Rather than directing your anger at the US, look at other countries where you want to work and see if obtaining a working visa there is any easier. If if it is then go there, otherwise ask yourself why all these countries are acting much the same?
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Oakman wrote:
When I'm being racist, there won't be any "sounds" about it.
Smart..
Oakman wrote:
Meanwhile here's your clue: The U.S. is not obligated to give a sh*t whether you want to go to work or not. You don't pay taxes here. You aren't a citizen. And you don't deserve any special consideration.
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is. Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing? You know, that's really not my situation, but I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
_Zorro_ wrote:
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is.
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
_Zorro_ wrote:
Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing?
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
_Zorro_ wrote:
I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
Yeah that's me. I think there is a festival in Lower Slobovia dedicated to hating me. I am inordinately proud of that and try to attend every year.
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_Zorro_ wrote:
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is.
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
_Zorro_ wrote:
Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing?
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
_Zorro_ wrote:
I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
Yeah that's me. I think there is a festival in Lower Slobovia dedicated to hating me. I am inordinately proud of that and try to attend every year.
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Do you enjoy beeing agressive?
Oakman wrote:
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
It's not that, it's just that somone pointed before that racism involves race comments... so I leave it there. But I know you all know what I meant by racism before.
Oakman wrote:
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
I never said it was and I don't think that the us owes me anything. I'm tired of trying to explain the same thing over and over. I accept that I may be wrong. Hey.. I looked for it.
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Do you enjoy beeing agressive?
Oakman wrote:
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
It's not that, it's just that somone pointed before that racism involves race comments... so I leave it there. But I know you all know what I meant by racism before.
Oakman wrote:
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
I never said it was and I don't think that the us owes me anything. I'm tired of trying to explain the same thing over and over. I accept that I may be wrong. Hey.. I looked for it.
_Zorro_ wrote:
Do you enjoy beeing agressive?
Hey, you called me a racist. What did you think I would do: Say "thank you, sir, and may I have another?"
_Zorro_ wrote:
I'm tired of trying to explain the same thing over and over
Maybe you better work on your command of English. You may not be saying what you mean and getting yourself into a lot of trouble.
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really a good question..... Does it pass thru your mind that I may have a bank account? Really, what's the point of your question? Are you asking me to justify me stay in the US? When a tourist goes to the states, how does he do then..?
They get a temp tourist visa that limits how long they can stay here. Workers get a work visa that says they can work here. Students get a student visa that says they can stay and attend a school here. Tourists get a tourist visa that limits how long they can stay in the country and look around. You want to come here and seek work? Apply for a tourist visa, visit some companies then when someone is interested you can look into the H1B thing. I am not really sure where your problem is coming from. You DO know that trying to work in most foreign countries is a PITA right? I get hassled when I just go over to Canada to gibe training from christ sake. They ALWAYS ask me 'why can't a Canadian do it?' to which I reply 'a Canadian asked me to come over and teach them so that they CAN do it in the future.' Do you think that just anyone should be allowed to come over here when ever they want? You can, get a tourist visa and visit for a while. The 'give us your hungry and huddles masses urning to be free' thing went out when we started having a problem feeding out own.
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They get a temp tourist visa that limits how long they can stay here. Workers get a work visa that says they can work here. Students get a student visa that says they can stay and attend a school here. Tourists get a tourist visa that limits how long they can stay in the country and look around. You want to come here and seek work? Apply for a tourist visa, visit some companies then when someone is interested you can look into the H1B thing. I am not really sure where your problem is coming from. You DO know that trying to work in most foreign countries is a PITA right? I get hassled when I just go over to Canada to gibe training from christ sake. They ALWAYS ask me 'why can't a Canadian do it?' to which I reply 'a Canadian asked me to come over and teach them so that they CAN do it in the future.' Do you think that just anyone should be allowed to come over here when ever they want? You can, get a tourist visa and visit for a while. The 'give us your hungry and huddles masses urning to be free' thing went out when we started having a problem feeding out own.
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MrPlankton wrote:
* Once across the border get a job. Good chance you don't need papers if your fee is low enough. Heck you can even vote!
How can you vote without citizenship? Why are you making a parallelism of that with a professional? It's like you tell me, I want to go to your country to work, I'm an architect and I answer yeah, come in, you can sell drugs here. So far, all I get is resistence.
Bill Gates has outlined the path for skilled workers to get jobs in North America (not necessarily USA). I assume you are a system architect. From what I understand (and I may be mistaken) he is encouraging immigration through Canada. You can then go to Vancouver British Columbia where Microsoft is building/(has built) a development facility. I hear Vancouver is nice, never been there, would like to go there some day. Hollywood is also outsourcing allot of their special effects and production work to Vancouver. Much of the special effects work requires programming. If you see Amanda Tapping there give her my regards. 2 cents.
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Hello, I just called the american embassy to ask what I need to get a Visa (don't know exactly which one, H1B I think), and they told me the only way I could get a Visa is by actually having a employer filling some forms which is a sort of promise that he will hire me without even having met me, this is ridiculous, isnt't it? Further more I read that the visa duration depends directly on your works, meaning that if you get fired, usa kicks you out, quite convenient if it is true. My question is is this true? Is this the only way to work in the USA for foreigners? If it is it's ironic because it's like saying yeah, we accept legal immigration but in the real world it is almost impossible, who will hire a person without even meet? You have to be insane... Anyway, I wondered if any of you knew a way I could go to the USA legally and seek for a job once there. Maybe because I work in the IT field it could be easier than if I was a sausage dealer. Thanks in advance.
The US is one of the world's most friendly countries for workers or visitors. Typically how it works is if you find a company that is interested in hiring you (perhaps via the web), they may do a telephonic interview and may even fly you in on a visitor Visa for an in-person interview. If they decide to hire you, they will file a work visa for you (typically an H1B) and you can come and work on that Visa for up to 6 years. It's a dual-intent Visa, which means you can file for a Green Card (before your 6 years are up). The GC process may take several years, but once your application is accepted, till it's completed you can extend the Visa (even over 6 years). Hope this helps.
Regards, Nish
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_Zorro_ wrote:
Your taking part of what I said out of context.
I read a lot of what you wrote, and responded with my impression of it. If my impression is wrong, then there's a pretty good chance you're not communicating your point effectively.
_Zorro_ wrote:
What I was referring to with "this involves dealing with the consequences, this is one" is the fact that people prefer going to work to the US than Tombouctou.
So what? If more people prefer to work for Google than SCO, will you call Google racist for not hiring all applicants? It's supply and demand, my friend - where demand exceeds supply, then the suppliers get to be more choosy.
_Zorro_ wrote:
But yes I pretend at least that you allow me come, stay some time to look for an appartment, re arrange my life, etc, and seek for a job at the same time. I don't have to explain how hard it will be to find one from outside right? And then what, where do I sleep? I don't know the city, do you understand what I pretend? Just some time, don't treat me as a dominican coming to enter a gang or anything you may be imaginating.
The same situation applies to me if i want to work somewhere that i don't live. I have to pay my way there, pay for lodgings, pay local taxes, etc., comply with local laws and regulations, and spend time and effort looking for work, all without any guarantee that i'll find work. If i wanted to work abroad, i'd have additional regulations to comply with and fees to pay before i'd even get the chance; that's just the nature of the beast.
_Zorro_ wrote:
Do you think it's fair in those conditions that my Visa depends almost directly on my employer?
You can come over on a travel/vacation visa. You can't work, though i suppose you could learn about the area where you wanted to work, familiarize yourself with employers, etc. But you seem rather stuck on H1B visas. Most anyone here can tell you, they're a mess all around - for the employee, they're put at the mercy of an unscrupulous employer in a very unsatisfactory way, while native coworkers may find that they've had their pay or jobs cut to favor cheaper and more easily controlled immigrants. You think it sucks shouldering the risk of traveling to the US - how about paying your way through school only to find that local employers won't hire you because they've decide
Shog9 wrote:
Most anyone here can tell you, they're a mess all around - for the employee, they're put at the mercy of an unscrupulous employer in a very unsatisfactory way
This is not true anymore. The rules have been changed so that a worker on an H1 Visa can transfer his H1 to another company (no quotas apply here). Things change when an employer files a green card application for the employee. Now the employee cannot change jobs till the GC process is done. He can technically, but that cancels the GC process and he has to start afresh. Typically you will find that full-time employees working for US companies are given regular pay (and sometimes above-regular pay). But people who work for non-US consulting firms that provide employees on contract to 3rd party companies are usually under paid. This is because they usually receive only 60-75% of the actual pay - the rest is taken by their parent employer - that's how they make profit. These are the people who most people have in mind when they think of unskilled, salary-reducing, heavy-accented foreign H1B based job stealers. :)
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You know, I'm not saying this is direct racism, but it make me feel really unwanted. I moved to some countries and never felt like now. I don't think that this level of control is good for us (the ones who want to work in the usa). Once I'll get there, I will not thinking, hey thanks for the oportunity, I would rathe think, hey, thanks for making my life harder. But I can understand your (americans) frustration. Btw, I don't think racism is rare in the us, it is a fact and it is due, in part, to the massive illegal immigration. Put yourself in my pants and try to feel it as I do. Ask yourself how hard it is to go living in an other continent alone, and not even feeling wanted there, what feeling could it create once you finnaly get on destination?
Racism involves race. I haven't a clue what yours is nor do you mine. Given that, its hard to see how anything I (or for that matter anyone else) has said could be taken to be "racist". Xenophobic (fear or dislike of foreigners) perhaps, but not racist. Xenophobia too is rather uncommon in the US. Most of us come from often recently (a few generations, living memory) arrived foreigners. As with any sovereign nation, we have an obligation to those citizens already here to control access to our land, resources and economy in order to insure our own citizens get first access. Uncontrolled immigration cheats both our citizens and the immigrants. I can't work in Canada without getting a work permit, and they can be more difficult for a U.S. citizen to obtain than an H1B visa is for a Uruguayan. That's just the way things wiork, and I take no personal offense that I would likely be refused. By the same token, you should not take personal offense that permission to work here requires some extra effort on your part.
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Bill Gates has outlined the path for skilled workers to get jobs in North America (not necessarily USA). I assume you are a system architect. From what I understand (and I may be mistaken) he is encouraging immigration through Canada. You can then go to Vancouver British Columbia where Microsoft is building/(has built) a development facility. I hear Vancouver is nice, never been there, would like to go there some day. Hollywood is also outsourcing allot of their special effects and production work to Vancouver. Much of the special effects work requires programming. If you see Amanda Tapping there give her my regards. 2 cents.
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The US is one of the world's most friendly countries for workers or visitors. Typically how it works is if you find a company that is interested in hiring you (perhaps via the web), they may do a telephonic interview and may even fly you in on a visitor Visa for an in-person interview. If they decide to hire you, they will file a work visa for you (typically an H1B) and you can come and work on that Visa for up to 6 years. It's a dual-intent Visa, which means you can file for a Green Card (before your 6 years are up). The GC process may take several years, but once your application is accepted, till it's completed you can extend the Visa (even over 6 years). Hope this helps.
Regards, Nish
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Shog9 wrote:
Most anyone here can tell you, they're a mess all around - for the employee, they're put at the mercy of an unscrupulous employer in a very unsatisfactory way
This is not true anymore. The rules have been changed so that a worker on an H1 Visa can transfer his H1 to another company (no quotas apply here). Things change when an employer files a green card application for the employee. Now the employee cannot change jobs till the GC process is done. He can technically, but that cancels the GC process and he has to start afresh. Typically you will find that full-time employees working for US companies are given regular pay (and sometimes above-regular pay). But people who work for non-US consulting firms that provide employees on contract to 3rd party companies are usually under paid. This is because they usually receive only 60-75% of the actual pay - the rest is taken by their parent employer - that's how they make profit. These are the people who most people have in mind when they think of unskilled, salary-reducing, heavy-accented foreign H1B based job stealers. :)
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Typically you will find that full-time employees working for US companies are given regular pay (and sometimes above-regular pay).
According to wage data in Labor Department records for Fiscal Year 2004: In spite of the requirement that H-1B workers be paid the prevailing wage, H-1B workers earn significantly less than their American counterparts. On average, applications for H-1B workers in computer occupations were for wages $13,000 less than Americans in the same occupation and state. Wages for H-1B workers in computer programming occupations are overwhelmingly concentrated at the bottom of the U.S. pay scale. Wages on Labor Condition Appluications for 85 percent of H-1B workers were for less than the median U.S. wage in the same occupations and state. I repeat: 85% of H-1B workers make less than the median wage. Applications for 47 percent of H-1B computer programming workers were for wages below even the prevailing wage claimed by their employers. Very few H-1B workers earned high wages by U.S. standards. Applications for only 4 percent of H-1B workers were among the top 25 percent of wages for U.S. workers in the same state and occupation. Many employers use their own salary surveys and wage surveys for entry-level workers, rather than more relevant and objective data sources, to make prevailing-wage claims when hiring H-1B workers. Nish may have been lucky and only worked for employers who hire only a few H1-Bs. Employers of large numbers of H-1B workers tend to pay those workers less than those who hire a few. Employers making applications for more than 100 H-1B workers had wages averaging $9,000 less than employers of one to 10 H-1B workers.
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The US is one of the world's most friendly countries for workers or visitors. Typically how it works is if you find a company that is interested in hiring you (perhaps via the web), they may do a telephonic interview and may even fly you in on a visitor Visa for an in-person interview. If they decide to hire you, they will file a work visa for you (typically an H1B) and you can come and work on that Visa for up to 6 years. It's a dual-intent Visa, which means you can file for a Green Card (before your 6 years are up). The GC process may take several years, but once your application is accepted, till it's completed you can extend the Visa (even over 6 years). Hope this helps.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkWhile some corporations want to double the amount if H-1B Visas, some in Congress want to tighten the rules to help U.S. workers. The H-1B and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act of 2007 was recently introduced to Congress by Senators Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). The two lawmakers say the proposed bill would authorize the Department of Labor to hire 200 additional employees "to administer, oversee, investigate and enforce the H-1B program." The H-1B bill would also enable the Department of Labor to conduct random audits of companies that use H-1B visas and give the agency more authority to investigate H-1B applications. The Senators say their proposed legislation would give the Department of Labor the power to check applications for "clear indicators of fraud or misrepresentation of material fact" and double the review period from 7 to 14 days. Companies would also be required to advertise job openings for 30 days on the Department of Labor's Web site before submitting applications to hire H-1B workers.
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While some corporations want to double the amount if H-1B Visas, some in Congress want to tighten the rules to help U.S. workers. The H-1B and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act of 2007 was recently introduced to Congress by Senators Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). The two lawmakers say the proposed bill would authorize the Department of Labor to hire 200 additional employees "to administer, oversee, investigate and enforce the H-1B program." The H-1B bill would also enable the Department of Labor to conduct random audits of companies that use H-1B visas and give the agency more authority to investigate H-1B applications. The Senators say their proposed legislation would give the Department of Labor the power to check applications for "clear indicators of fraud or misrepresentation of material fact" and double the review period from 7 to 14 days. Companies would also be required to advertise job openings for 30 days on the Department of Labor's Web site before submitting applications to hire H-1B workers.
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Microsoft and Google are among the leaders in using and wanting to expand the supply of H1-B visas. It's amazing that with the prestige of those two companies, they can't hire all the local talent they could possibly use. Have to beat them off with a stick, even.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
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I just sort of criticized illegal and massive immigration so I don't get your comment. I want to go to work, as you, as others, not less, who knows, maybe more. Instead of an advice on how to proceed, what I get are just patriotic comments like "The entrace to the us is a privilege" "obligation on our part", that's cool, it doesn't really help, and it sounds racist. I think it's all about what reality you live in. Anyway, thanks for your comment!
_Zorro_ wrote:
I just sort of criticized illegal and massive immigration
The US is suffering from both. Where I live fully 1/3 of the population is foreign born and that's not counting the illegals. Immigration pressure has increased to where it's difficult to turn these people into Americans. What makes you think you're so special that you're above the process?
_Zorro_ wrote:
it sounds racist.
As has been pointed out, you apparently don't understand "racist". No one in this thread has mentioned your race. No one even called you derogatory names based on your perceived ethnicity, which isn't race, in case you don't understand that. Your initial attitude is what put people off. Gee, you guys have a good thing going up there in the USA and I want a piece of it. You seem upset that we don't just let you show up on our doorstep and go to the head of the line. In answer to why you can't just fly in and look for a job. Once you do that, what's to keep you from just staying. A big part of our illegals come in on student and tourist visas and never go home. What's to keep you from doing that and bypass the process you seem to disdain?
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
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Microsoft and Google are among the leaders in using and wanting to expand the supply of H1-B visas. It's amazing that with the prestige of those two companies, they can't hire all the local talent they could possibly use. Have to beat them off with a stick, even.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
Tim Craig wrote:
It's amazing that with the prestige of those two companies, they can't hire all the local talent they could possibly use
Of course they can, but they have to pay them a living wage. Local talent isn't going to be grateful for $75K a year and minimal benefits, but a lot of bright young Indians would think themselves blessed to get that salary, even with 2 - 5 years of solid experience.
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