Is Windows Broken
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Iain Clarke wrote:
The problem with that is I bet the 5% of features I use doesn't 100% overlap with your 5%...
Thats exactly the problem, lots of different people want lots of different features and they don't all overlap. Then people say "give us only the features we want", so Microsoft do that by releasing different versions, thats followed by people saying "but this is all too confusing, we don't want lots of versions, we just want what we want". Which all just goes to show that end users (in general) are stupid :P
originSH wrote:
Then people say "give us only the features we want", so Microsoft do that by releasing different versions, thats followed by people saying "but this is all too confusing, we don't want lots of versions, we just want what we want". Which all just goes to show that end users (in general) are stupid
No, it means MS doesn't know how to offer the products the market actually wants. Lopping off an arbitrary set of features doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining features are going to match anyone's needs... Problem is, the last thing MS wants to do is roll out a single, consistent, base OS and then add on features for upscale versions - that would put those add-ons in almost the same marketplace as third-party add-ons. But if you leave out basic functionality like multi-processor support, filesystem enhancements, or a composite windowing system, then you've got your customers over a barrel - these aren't easy areas for 3rd-parties to replace, and it's even less likely that your customers would trust a third-party to essentially hack the OS anyway.
Citizen 20.1.01
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I agree...and they should be concentrating their efforts on how they're going to exploit 1024 cores in a processor when it comes out :)
David Lockwood wrote:
and they should be concentrating their efforts on how they're going to exploit 1024 cores in a processor when it comes out
and they are.... when we double streaming processors every year... http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800gx2.html[^] right now I can put 768 streaming processors on a motherboard... that means next year I will be well beyond 1024. :) ohhh.. you mean CPU cores.... ;)
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David Lockwood wrote:
and they should be concentrating their efforts on how they're going to exploit 1024 cores in a processor when it comes out
and they are.... when we double streaming processors every year... http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800gx2.html[^] right now I can put 768 streaming processors on a motherboard... that means next year I will be well beyond 1024. :) ohhh.. you mean CPU cores.... ;)
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originSH wrote:
Then people say "give us only the features we want", so Microsoft do that by releasing different versions, thats followed by people saying "but this is all too confusing, we don't want lots of versions, we just want what we want". Which all just goes to show that end users (in general) are stupid
No, it means MS doesn't know how to offer the products the market actually wants. Lopping off an arbitrary set of features doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining features are going to match anyone's needs... Problem is, the last thing MS wants to do is roll out a single, consistent, base OS and then add on features for upscale versions - that would put those add-ons in almost the same marketplace as third-party add-ons. But if you leave out basic functionality like multi-processor support, filesystem enhancements, or a composite windowing system, then you've got your customers over a barrel - these aren't easy areas for 3rd-parties to replace, and it's even less likely that your customers would trust a third-party to essentially hack the OS anyway.
Citizen 20.1.01
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Shog9 wrote:
then you've got your customers over a barrel
unfortunately, this shows all too good of knowledge of how to milk the consumer for more money. I think that shows all too intelligent manipulation of the market. If you want everyone on the $289 version of your OS, you leave off the features they are most likely to need in the near future, respond only to their immediate needs, which forces the consumer through lake of planning, to upgrade the OS license on-the-fly in a few months to a year. It is a depressingly bright concept, and we may all complain about it, but it will unfortunately work.
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A nice read... Winsupersite[^]
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Hear hear. Operating systems are supposed to be small and invisible and modular by nature... it's the software they HOST that's supposed to do the work. We shouldn't be forced into installing bucketloads of crap we never use. Worse is if we DO need to use them. I'd hardly consider the design organized and concise, but of course we're talking Windows here, so take it as you will.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I think they can have a video editing software, but I'll be glad if it is not installed on my OS by default. It could be installed on demand, when and *if* I ask for it.
having walked my wife through a "custom" install of an advanced product, I would disagree. I do want the custom install option, but I do think the default should reflect the mass consumer, but we (as the minority) should be given the option of a custom install. I think we are more likely to get our demands if we are reasonable in them, asking for the mass market to reflect our advanced needs isn't going to happen. If we are realistic in this, and demand what is reasonable, we are more likely to get what we ask for than be ignored completely. I agree that an OS should reflect the mass consumer needs, that is pure business sense, nothing against us per se, but we spend a lot of time complaining that we are not reflected when we demand something that is never going to happen. We need to be realistic as well. We're a minority, and as a minority, how can we fit in with the complexity of a growing digital environment without too much interference in our lives? If we make the right demands, such as the optional custom install, we are more likely to get it, than to demand that the default reflect us over the 99% market share majority of the rest of the world. :-D
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El Corazon wrote:
I think we are more likely to get our demands if we are reasonable in them, asking for the mass market to reflect our advanced needs isn't going to happe
I did not say it is going to happen, but just said I'll be glad if it happens. I know I ain't gonna be glad with them on this issue. :)
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