How do you build your setups ???
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Have you taken a look at Ghost Installer Studio? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: Ghost Installer Studio? Hi Chris, believe it or not, just finished download and I'm actually testing... It's not looking so bad.... in deed, it's looking very good... Do you use it?? Like it?? Isn't that (some) stuff I've seen here in CP before??? Thanx, Olli
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
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Michael P Butler wrote: MSI's Sorry, but what is/are MSI ??? We're distributing our Software on CD, and maybe later on the web, but: What we want is something, which is easy to use and gives you some possibilities to choose and so on, and the standard InstallShield is a: Too old and b:Too complicated.... Michael P Butler wrote: MSI Orca tools never heard of... Thx anyway!
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
:suss: :rolleyes: :suss:They are the newer way of installing software onto Windows. I think they were first introduced by Windows 2000. Visual Studio Installer creates them, as do most commerical Install packages. They can be used in conjunction with Win2K group policies to make large software deployments easier. Olli wrote: never heard of... Orca is on the Platform SDK and is part of the Windows Installer toolset, it's a real bitch of a thing to use and not for the faint hearted. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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They are the newer way of installing software onto Windows. I think they were first introduced by Windows 2000. Visual Studio Installer creates them, as do most commerical Install packages. They can be used in conjunction with Win2K group policies to make large software deployments easier. Olli wrote: never heard of... Orca is on the Platform SDK and is part of the Windows Installer toolset, it's a real bitch of a thing to use and not for the faint hearted. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
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Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
:suss: :rolleyes: :suss:For serious work you can only decide between Wise and Install Shield. Wise is in my opinion the better product, but at present I use Install Shield. Reasons: 1. the company has licenced it in the past, 2. I know the tool (now), 3. Most of our installations are written using IS. But I would warmly recommend Wise instead. Install Shield 4 Windows Installer is slow (especially when including a lot of merge modules) and not very stable (guys at IS played with scripting and COM paradigms and didn't exactly hit the target with the first version). The installations produced with it also sometimes causes strange effects such as registry key permission reset, etc. They still haven't resolve the dreaded 1911 problem for VB applications. And including too many merge modules might cause problems to your installation (might have run time errors while running). Tomaz
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For serious work you can only decide between Wise and Install Shield. Wise is in my opinion the better product, but at present I use Install Shield. Reasons: 1. the company has licenced it in the past, 2. I know the tool (now), 3. Most of our installations are written using IS. But I would warmly recommend Wise instead. Install Shield 4 Windows Installer is slow (especially when including a lot of merge modules) and not very stable (guys at IS played with scripting and COM paradigms and didn't exactly hit the target with the first version). The installations produced with it also sometimes causes strange effects such as registry key permission reset, etc. They still haven't resolve the dreaded 1911 problem for VB applications. And including too many merge modules might cause problems to your installation (might have run time errors while running). Tomaz
Hi Tomaz, thanx for your replay ! tstih wrote: For serious work you can only decide between Wise and Install Shield. Wise is in my opinion the better product, but at present I use Install Shield. What do you mean with serious??? Do you think using another tool does not work properly or do you think it's a question of (professional) image??? I've put a lot of time in my old Installshield -Setup, which is not not running under XP anymore (at least not properly...), and now I'm really rid of InstallShield :mad: :mad: .........
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Hi ! Looks like standard-Windows stuff, but: Is it able to handle bigger projects include serial-encryption and stuff like that ??? Did 'installing Fonts' work? (Coz in InstallShiel, it's an totally mess, coz there is no help on this topic, an so I had to try and try and try....)
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Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
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InstallShield Proffessional 6. A PITA**3
To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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Hi Tomaz, thanx for your replay ! tstih wrote: For serious work you can only decide between Wise and Install Shield. Wise is in my opinion the better product, but at present I use Install Shield. What do you mean with serious??? Do you think using another tool does not work properly or do you think it's a question of (professional) image??? I've put a lot of time in my old Installshield -Setup, which is not not running under XP anymore (at least not properly...), and now I'm really rid of InstallShield :mad: :mad: .........
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
:suss: :rolleyes: :suss:With serious I mean to expect as little problems as possible with deployment, have your package built quickly, have extensive support and knowledge base on the internet, etc... I agree with you - Install Shield sucks. When I was solving the "1911 : Unable to register typelib" problem (know to every author who created at least two installations for two different versions of VB app that had compatibility break...requires cleaning registry by hand, nedless to say - very annoying!) I did a little analysis of how the stupid software works. When you flag COM component for "extract at build" the damn thing does it by registering COM component on your machine. At least it should ask before doing it or remember, how to revert to the old state afterwards...Oh, well...Nedless to say, all 3rd party "weird licencing techniques" do not work with it. Tomaz
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Hi ! Looks like standard-Windows stuff, but: Is it able to handle bigger projects include serial-encryption and stuff like that ??? Did 'installing Fonts' work? (Coz in InstallShiel, it's an totally mess, coz there is no help on this topic, an so I had to try and try and try....)
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
:suss: :rolleyes: :suss:Olli wrote: serial-encryption and stuff like that ??? Did 'installing Fonts' work? (Coz in InstallShiel, it's...... Hi Olli!! Ours is not a very large project and hence the areas u mentioned were not really needed at all... So u must test them your self.. Sorry for not being more useful Agnihothra
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Olli wrote: serial-encryption and stuff like that ??? Did 'installing Fonts' work? (Coz in InstallShiel, it's...... Hi Olli!! Ours is not a very large project and hence the areas u mentioned were not really needed at all... So u must test them your self.. Sorry for not being more useful Agnihothra
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With serious I mean to expect as little problems as possible with deployment, have your package built quickly, have extensive support and knowledge base on the internet, etc... I agree with you - Install Shield sucks. When I was solving the "1911 : Unable to register typelib" problem (know to every author who created at least two installations for two different versions of VB app that had compatibility break...requires cleaning registry by hand, nedless to say - very annoying!) I did a little analysis of how the stupid software works. When you flag COM component for "extract at build" the damn thing does it by registering COM component on your machine. At least it should ask before doing it or remember, how to revert to the old state afterwards...Oh, well...Nedless to say, all 3rd party "weird licencing techniques" do not work with it. Tomaz
tstih wrote: I agree with you - Install Shield sucks Nice to see that I'm not alone.... My biggest problem with IS is that you can't do a clean multilanguage-install on my dev-machines, means that a project which is firstly created on my english machine (US) does not work under my german machine and vice versa... The next big hammer was installing fonts... (Set the reg-key and stuff......) Maybe I should try the GhostInstaller which advised Chris in his reply.... ;)
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
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Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
:suss: :rolleyes: :suss:I'm amazed nobody's mentioned 'Setup Factory' yet - does pretty much everything, and it's easy to use. http://www.indigorose.com/products/setup\_factory1.php John Cousins
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Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
:suss: :rolleyes: :suss:We use INF Tool. http://www.inner-smile.com/dl\_inf.htm Can do anything what wise ans is can do, but it generates very small packages and it is very easy to handle..
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Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
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peterchen wrote: A PITA**3 True, man, true. :~
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
:suss: :rolleyes: :suss:The message boards 8community.installshield.com) were quite helpful, and "free" installer products didn't offer what we were looking for. So the choice was keep & brush up the IS6 solution we already have, or start new with a product I don't know...
To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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Agnihothra wrote: Sorry for not being more useful You don't have to be sorry, I keep your tool in for smaller projects... Thank you anyway ! ;) ;)
Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
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The message boards 8community.installshield.com) were quite helpful, and "free" installer products didn't offer what we were looking for. So the choice was keep & brush up the IS6 solution we already have, or start new with a product I don't know...
To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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I use [b]Wise InstallMaster v7.x[/b] which is still adequate for our needs despite being a few years old now. For simple installations I have been toying with the new MSI deployment support in VS7.
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