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How do you build your setups ???

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  • T Tomaz Stih 0

    With serious I mean to expect as little problems as possible with deployment, have your package built quickly, have extensive support and knowledge base on the internet, etc... I agree with you - Install Shield sucks. When I was solving the "1911 : Unable to register typelib" problem (know to every author who created at least two installations for two different versions of VB app that had compatibility break...requires cleaning registry by hand, nedless to say - very annoying!) I did a little analysis of how the stupid software works. When you flag COM component for "extract at build" the damn thing does it by registering COM component on your machine. At least it should ask before doing it or remember, how to revert to the old state afterwards...Oh, well...Nedless to say, all 3rd party "weird licencing techniques" do not work with it. Tomaz

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    Olli
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    tstih wrote: I agree with you - Install Shield sucks Nice to see that I'm not alone.... My biggest problem with IS is that you can't do a clean multilanguage-install on my dev-machines, means that a project which is firstly created on my english machine (US) does not work under my german machine and vice versa... The next big hammer was installing fonts... (Set the reg-key and stuff......) Maybe I should try the GhostInstaller which advised Chris in his reply.... ;)

    Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
    :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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      Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!

      Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
      :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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      JohnnyBoyC
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      I'm amazed nobody's mentioned 'Setup Factory' yet - does pretty much everything, and it's easy to use. http://www.indigorose.com/products/setup\_factory1.php John Cousins

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        Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!

        Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
        :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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        Harald Krause
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        We use INF Tool. http://www.inner-smile.com/dl\_inf.htm Can do anything what wise ans is can do, but it generates very small packages and it is very easy to handle..

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          Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!

          Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
          :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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          Lost User
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          I use [b]Wise InstallMaster v7.x[/b] which is still adequate for our needs despite being a few years old now. For simple installations I have been toying with the new MSI deployment support in VS7.


          Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.

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            peterchen wrote: A PITA**3 True, man, true. :~

            Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
            :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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            peterchen
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            The message boards 8community.installshield.com) were quite helpful, and "free" installer products didn't offer what we were looking for. So the choice was keep & brush up the IS6 solution we already have, or start new with a product I don't know...


            To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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            • O Olli

              Agnihothra wrote: Sorry for not being more useful You don't have to be sorry, I keep your tool in for smaller projects... Thank you anyway ! ;) ;)

              Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
              :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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              Agnihothra
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              Olli wrote: I keep your tool in for smaller projects Its author Jordan Russel runs a news group exclusively for the users of InnoSetup so you might find some answers there... Clickety ^ Agnihothra

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                The message boards 8community.installshield.com) were quite helpful, and "free" installer products didn't offer what we were looking for. So the choice was keep & brush up the IS6 solution we already have, or start new with a product I don't know...


                To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
                [sighist]

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                Olli
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                Me (and my company) has no problem in buying a tool, but I don't want to spend 3000$ for something that is more buggy than my first professional app.... ;)

                Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                  I use [b]Wise InstallMaster v7.x[/b] which is still adequate for our needs despite being a few years old now. For simple installations I have been toying with the new MSI deployment support in VS7.


                  Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.

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                  Olli
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                  Remember what it did cost ????

                  Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                  :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                    Me (and my company) has no problem in buying a tool, but I don't want to spend 3000$ for something that is more buggy than my first professional app.... ;)

                    Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                    :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                    If you just have to copy some files, go with somethign free like InnoSetup (+Extensions). At least, you should try if it fits your needs. (I'm still using Inno for one-DLL-patches, since they have much less overhead, and it#s easier to do, and easier to manage) If you need more, go with a "big" package (WISE seems to be an alternative, but the last time I checked you can't batch-script the builds. I needed this to create multiple media quickly) However, with the big packages, prepare to spend a *long* time to get used to it. And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years.


                    To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
                    [sighist]

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                      I'm amazed nobody's mentioned 'Setup Factory' yet - does pretty much everything, and it's easy to use. http://www.indigorose.com/products/setup\_factory1.php John Cousins

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                      Olli
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                      Thanx, sounds good, I'll check it out....

                      Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                      :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                      • P peterchen

                        If you just have to copy some files, go with somethign free like InnoSetup (+Extensions). At least, you should try if it fits your needs. (I'm still using Inno for one-DLL-patches, since they have much less overhead, and it#s easier to do, and easier to manage) If you need more, go with a "big" package (WISE seems to be an alternative, but the last time I checked you can't batch-script the builds. I needed this to create multiple media quickly) However, with the big packages, prepare to spend a *long* time to get used to it. And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years.


                        To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
                        [sighist]

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                        Olli
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                        peterchen wrote: prepare to spend a *long* time to get used to it This is what I want to avoid.... but I guess it's an integratet feature... (to be complicatet..., kind of a must be.. ;) ) Thanks ! Olli!

                        Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                        :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                          If you just have to copy some files, go with somethign free like InnoSetup (+Extensions). At least, you should try if it fits your needs. (I'm still using Inno for one-DLL-patches, since they have much less overhead, and it#s easier to do, and easier to manage) If you need more, go with a "big" package (WISE seems to be an alternative, but the last time I checked you can't batch-script the builds. I needed this to create multiple media quickly) However, with the big packages, prepare to spend a *long* time to get used to it. And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years.


                          To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
                          [sighist]

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                          Gavin Greig
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                          peterchen wrote: And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years. On the other hand, I was chatting with a friend who works as a sysadmin in a big multinational recently, and his take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer. And when I say really, I mean they'll be putting pressure on users to find alternatives if Windows Installer isn't used. Obviously it depends on your app's needs and your customers', but be aware that you may come across this attitude. Gavin Greig

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                            Hi ! Looks like standard-Windows stuff, but: Is it able to handle bigger projects include serial-encryption and stuff like that ??? Did 'installing Fonts' work? (Coz in InstallShiel, it's an totally mess, coz there is no help on this topic, an so I had to try and try and try....)

                            Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                            :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                            Jim Crafton
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                            Hey, Ihave used it at work and for home project it works great ! Also installs fonts correctly without any hassle ! You can do pretty much anything with it, I highly reccomend it. By the way, he posts the source for it in ObjectPascal - would any CP'ers be interested in porting it to C++ for Win32 ?

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                              Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!

                              Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                              :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                              Daniel Turini
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                              For small projects (copy & register some files), I use InnoSetup, but for "macho" setups, I use hand-made setups statically linked to MFC and minimizing dependencies. Concussus surgo. When struck I rise.

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                                peterchen wrote: And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years. On the other hand, I was chatting with a friend who works as a sysadmin in a big multinational recently, and his take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer. And when I say really, I mean they'll be putting pressure on users to find alternatives if Windows Installer isn't used. Obviously it depends on your app's needs and your customers', but be aware that you may come across this attitude. Gavin Greig

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                                Gavin Greig wrote: take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer Why ? Whats the advantage ?

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                                  Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!

                                  Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                                  :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                                  It's free, it's open source, it's SuperPiMP! (from the same great folks that gave us WinAmp) It doesn't have some of the bells & whistles included in Wise or InstallShield but then again that is often a good thing. If you are looking for speed and flexibility in a truly tiny package, give it a try.

                                  Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard

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                                    I'm amazed nobody's mentioned 'Setup Factory' yet - does pretty much everything, and it's easy to use. http://www.indigorose.com/products/setup\_factory1.php John Cousins

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                                    I'll second the recommendation for Indigo Rose Setup Factory. We use it and like it. Steven J. Ackerman, Consultant ACS, Sarasota, FL http://www.acscontrol.com steve@acscontrol.com sja@gte.net

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                                      peterchen wrote: And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years. On the other hand, I was chatting with a friend who works as a sysadmin in a big multinational recently, and his take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer. And when I say really, I mean they'll be putting pressure on users to find alternatives if Windows Installer isn't used. Obviously it depends on your app's needs and your customers', but be aware that you may come across this attitude. Gavin Greig

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                                      peterchen
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                                      Happily(?) My customers don't care as long as it "works".


                                      To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
                                      [sighist]

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                                        Chris Maunder wrote: Ghost Installer Studio? Hi Chris, believe it or not, just finished download and I'm actually testing... It's not looking so bad.... in deed, it's looking very good... Do you use it?? Like it?? Isn't that (some) stuff I've seen here in CP before??? Thanx, Olli

                                        Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                                        :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                                        Olli wrote: Isn't that (some) stuff I've seen here in CP before??? They've probably been mentioned here before, and they also appeared in the newsletter for this week. I (and I'm sure Ovanes, one of the guys behind gInstall) would be interested in your comments. cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                          It's free, it's open source, it's SuperPiMP! (from the same great folks that gave us WinAmp) It doesn't have some of the bells & whistles included in Wise or InstallShield but then again that is often a good thing. If you are looking for speed and flexibility in a truly tiny package, give it a try.

                                          Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard

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                                          I could never convince my boss to use a package with *that* name ;)


                                          To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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