CodeProject Proposal

Reynolds Glisner

Point 2 Its not that complicated, you're a GM you have articles in the ASP and C# area, you can't approve or disapprove an article in the c++ section etc. Or you're a GM you have articles in the C++ section such that when their rating is averaged its below 3.75 you don't get to approve or disapprove articles in the C++ section, simple as pie. Its not about helping out CP staff, its about creating a real meritocracy, people and their real technical peers interacting with each other in a fair and equal manner. This wont in anyway hinder new comers. Point 3 The break down voting is optional, in that you can either vote 1 to 5 or vote on all 3. eg: an article is really novel and had great applicability but the author has done a crap job explaining it. The grading system will help the author better understand where the problems lie within their article, as most people that vote don't comment. Point 4 This was more about forgiveness. eg: you find a crappy article, 2 years later the author cleans it up and is now really good and informative, what are the chances you'll see that article again and take the time to re-vote, if there is a system in place informing you of an update and giving you a note you provided 2 years ago about what was wrong with the article you may decide to change your opinion about it and vote it up. this would in-turn be a positive for the author. In fact CP could provide information about vote changes etc, which again as in Point 3 would be helpful to the author of the article. None of the above require anything more that intermediate sql skills to implement - they are very easy to do.

Marc Clifton

Dalek Dave wrote:

I think anyone who takes the time to drop in and chew the fat, have a discussion or crack a few gags should deserve and get the points and promotions as they as much part of the community as the those who write hundreds of articles.

Agreed. A website like this is built on diversity, not uniformity. Diversity, BTW, requires a certain looseness, almost a certain lawlessness. Each rule, each regulation, each law, takes away from diversity and self regulation. Oh, and I have 76 more to write before you can classify anyone with the phrase "hundreds of articles." ;P Marc

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Dalek Dave

Then quit chatting and get writing :)

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Chris Maunder

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

Levels should be incremented based on forum posts where said posts are ONLY in any of the programming forums

The value of someone's contribution can be more than just answering a question.

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

Gold members should only be allowed to "approve" articles in categories which they themselves have submitted articles and posses an average article ranking in those categories of 3.75 or above

Moderation isn't about letting through only the best of the best. Moderation is for weeding out the worst of the worst. There's a lot of in-between in that range that, while not perfect, can often hold a gem or an idea that can get someone over a stumbling block.

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

Article grading should be broken down in 3 separate categories which people can optionally vote on, the final vote will be a mixture of said categories these are: (usefulness/applicability, explanation level, uniqueness/novelty)

I've thought about this a lot and I'm still of two minds as to whether this improved conciseness will result in an improvement in accuracy. Will someone vote correctly in 1 of the 3 categories? 2/3? Will be get less votes overall?

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

Article upgrades, people should have the option to choose if they would like to be notified (in bulk of course) of specific article upgrades, with said notification they may have the option to attach a note

Adding a 'watch' capability is on the cards. I do like the note idea. Mind if I steal it?

cheers, Chris Maunder

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Marc Clifton

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

None of the above require anything more that intermediate sql skills to implement - they are very easy to do.

I have a cone shaped hat, a stool, and a corner, for saying "they are very easy to do." ;P Marc

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Marc Clifton

Dalek Dave wrote:

Then quit chatting and get writing

Hey, this is getting the creative juices flowing. Let's see: How to Win Friends and Influence Lounge Posts Living With Depression and the Univoter Writing For 5's: How to Pass the Code Project SAT ;P Marc

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Dalek Dave

Have a 5! :) Now are you writing yet? :-D

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Oakman

With all due respect, it's often a good idea to be a member of a community for some length of time before proposing sweeping changes and assuring everyone that they will be easy to implement and not affect the feeling of community that has been built up over years.

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Reynolds Glisner

Chris Maunder wrote:

The value of someone's contribution can be more than just answering a question.

I totally agree, and I believe a person's contributions should be effectively reflected, but in-lieu of either human intervention on every forum posting or some form of natural language processing one must retire to statistics and the mean for comments in the lounge and soap-box does not always correlate to usefulness or applicability in the underlying principles of CP. granted CP is also about building a community and some such around topics of interest, one must remember that the only reason why people gathered in the first place was because of the perceived quality/caliber of the community and its output - not the ability to "hang-out".

Chris Maunder wrote:

I've thought about this a lot and I'm still of two minds as to whether this improved conciseness will result in an improvement in accuracy. Will someone vote correctly in 1 of the 3 categories? 2/3? Will be get less votes overall?

I don't believe the categories should be equally weighted, as things like applicability are subjective eg: it took us 2000 years to find a good reason to use GCD. Its a complex little problem that I believe can be solved by opening it up to the community.

Chris Maunder wrote:

Adding a 'watch' capability is on the cards. I do like the note idea. Mind if I steal it?

Feel free. I just wish you would reconsider stealing point 1 as that would be of greater value. Just out of interest, if you were to apply point 1, what would be the difference in the number of gold members?

Reynolds Glisner

True, but don't prophets of relgions start preeching on the second day of their prophethood? :laugh:

Oakman

Marc Clifton wrote:

Hey, this is getting the creative juices flowing.

Okay, you should be able to turn those out by tomorrow morning. What about the rest of Sunday?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

Dalek Dave

Yes but those sad individuals who have imaginary friends are the sort of f#@% ups that crash planes into buildings. If people could give up religion the world would be a better place. Please do not bring religion into this forum, it is the antithisis of a reasoned mind!

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Reynolds Glisner

oh come on, if the DB tables are setup nicely/properly it shouldn't be more than a few sql statements to get this thing going... :-D

Dalek Dave

:-D

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Oakman

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

prophets of relgions start preeching on the second day of their prophethood

Possibly, but then they have been notified of their status by Someone with power to anoint them. Has God Chris anyone with great power been visiting you in your dreams after a three day fast?

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Reynolds Glisner

I wasn't trying to be religious, just making the point that people in history after talking to mythical beings would begin preaching a whole new set of rules, the comment made from the previous poster implied i should be around the community a bit more before making such far reaching comments, he does have a point. :)

Reynolds Glisner

I have just been informed by _Chris_my higher being not to reveal any secrets on this forum. :laugh:

Reynolds Glisner

I wonder how many of the people that have voted this post at 1, are Gold members that may have their status affected by these hypothetical changes. :laugh:

Dalek Dave

I think he has a point, but also I am reminded of the parable of the WET MONKEYS... 4 monkeys in a room, there is a step ladder in the middle of the room, and hanging from the ceiling is a large bunch of Bananas. One monkey climbs the ladder to get the bananas, and the fire hoses are turned on them, high powered, ice cold water thrashes all the monkeys. The second one tries again later, again the fire hoses. The third one starts to climb the ladder... the other monkeys stop him. One day a new monkey is introduced, and an old monkey removed. The new monkey sees the bananas and goes to get them, the other three stop him. A new monkey is introduced and another of the old monkeys removed. Same thing happens. Eventually there are four monkeys in the room, none of them go for the bananas, but none of them have experienced the fire hose, they all know, though, that you "Mustn't go for the Bananas" The parable shows that they behave how they have been conditioned, without direct knowledge of the consequences!

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Colin Angus Mackay

You seem to be obsessed with gold members. And that sort of thing should go in the soap box. :rolleyes:

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