How pathetic does it get?
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Graham Bradshaw wrote:
The key question: is it repeatable?
Yes. Even from a clean boot.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
If not, something else was going on deep within your computer at the time, and your finger of blame needs to be repointed.
It still could be, even if it's repeatable. Marc
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
I just tried it on a Dell Latitude D830[^] with 2Gb RAM and 32-bit Vista Business Edition. It took less then 3 seconds to start and I was able to type immidiatelly.
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Hey if it's not Word then it must be Vista's fault ;)
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I just tried it on a Dell Latitude D830[^] with 2Gb RAM and 32-bit Vista Business Edition. It took less then 3 seconds to start and I was able to type immidiatelly.
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
Check your set up. I have it loaded on an old thinkpad and while it does take a bit to load, I've never had any delay once it's loaded. The only things I can think of are that it's trying to connect to a shared drive (delay) or it's autosaving on startup (delay).
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
Antivirus checking each keystroke? :-D
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
It took less then 3 seconds to start
That's if 3 seconds are acceptable :) Word 2003 opens and is typable in about 1 second.
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IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)leppie wrote:
Word 2003 opens and is typable in about 1 second.
Start time of Word 2007 will be 1 second in 2012, too. :)
Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering around in his head. (Charles M Strauss)
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
it's [Word] so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready!
There is a solution. :~ Solution to Word 2007 Problems[^] :-D
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leppie wrote:
Word 2003 opens and is typable in about 1 second.
Start time of Word 2007 will be 1 second in 2012, too. :)
Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering around in his head. (Charles M Strauss)
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at least it starts for you. mine won't even start unless i open an existing doc.
What OS? All my Office Start Menu shortcuts have stopped working (they just do nothing), and lost their icons. However, if I open any existing Office document, the relevant application starts and operates fine. To start without opening an existing document, I have browsed to the Office 12 directory, and on at least Excel and Word, right-clicked and chosen Add to Quicklaunch. The Quicklaunch shortcuts work just fine, and even have proper icons.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
It took less then 3 seconds to start
That's if 3 seconds are acceptable :) Word 2003 opens and is typable in about 1 second.
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)I uninstantiated 2003 and banished to to my XP VPC. I got tired of it fighting with 2007, which caused really, really long start-ups, with "Windows installer is ...", that lasted several minutes.
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I still use Office 97. :)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready!
I believe speed is no longer a consideration in most software firms these days. Each time someone starts a discussion about it, there's another one starting a long speech that "Today's computers are fast enough", "You are one of those optimist programmers", or "The time of a programmer is very important". No one asks that how much important is it? More important than summation of times of all poor users? The quickly hardware improves, more quickly softwares slow down. Even our todays operating systems try to show themselves more, instead of being transparent and serving as quickly as possible. Who cares about how long it takes for an application to starts up? We must care about a descend GUI, because users should be tempted to buy it when they see an snapshot.
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cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}Hamed Mosavi wrote:
there's another one starting a long speech that "Today's computers are fast enough", "You are one of those optimist programmers", or "The time of a programmer is very important".
There are many circumstances when this kind of thinking is completely justified. However, it bothers me when people generalize their specific circumstances to all developers, or "a vast majority of them". Off-shelf productivity applications, like Office need to be very fast and responsive - period! It is about customers' productivity.
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What OS? All my Office Start Menu shortcuts have stopped working (they just do nothing), and lost their icons. However, if I open any existing Office document, the relevant application starts and operates fine. To start without opening an existing document, I have browsed to the Office 12 directory, and on at least Excel and Word, right-clicked and chosen Add to Quicklaunch. The Quicklaunch shortcuts work just fine, and even have proper icons.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
What OS?
vista
Brady Kelly wrote:
All my Office Start Menu shortcuts have stopped working (they just do nothing)
yep. i still have the icons, though. a look at the Properties shows that they're not typical shortcuts (the Target is read-only and isn't an exe, for example). i fixed it by creating normal shortcuts and pinning them to the top of the start menu.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
it's [Word] so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready!
There is a solution. :~ Solution to Word 2007 Problems[^] :-D
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Solution to Word 2007 Problems[^]
I don't know why you got 1 votes! In humor there is often truth. Marc
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I just tried it on a Dell Latitude D830[^] with 2Gb RAM and 32-bit Vista Business Edition. It took less then 3 seconds to start and I was able to type immidiatelly.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
It took less then 3 seconds to start and I was able to type immidiatelly.
It used to be snappy. But Vista has been degrading over time. Probably my fault. Marc
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Hey if it's not Word then it must be Vista's fault ;)
Zoltan Balazs wrote:
Hey if it's not Word then it must be Vista's fault
Exactly! Marc
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
The universe is conspiring against you: either it doesn't want you putting things in writing or it wants you to upgrade that 286 you insist on using :)
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Solution to Word 2007 Problems[^]
I don't know why you got 1 votes! In humor there is often truth. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I don't know why you got 1 votes! In humor there is often truth.
The fanboys have no sense of humor. :doh: Not my loss. :cool: Actually, I was only half joking. Yes, I intended it as a facetious answer but I have actually been using OpenOffice for a while at work -- dictate from the powers above that all internal documents be published in OpenDocument format [the real OpenDocument format, not the pretend one] -- and I find OpenOffice works fine. I have even set it as my default program for .doc files and have had no complaints from external customers that their Word program choked on a document published in OpenOffice in the .doc format. It just proves that interoperability is possible if you are sincere about implementing it. Bring on the 1 votes! :rolleyes:
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
there's another one starting a long speech that "Today's computers are fast enough", "You are one of those optimist programmers", or "The time of a programmer is very important".
There are many circumstances when this kind of thinking is completely justified. However, it bothers me when people generalize their specific circumstances to all developers, or "a vast majority of them". Off-shelf productivity applications, like Office need to be very fast and responsive - period! It is about customers' productivity.
Agreed. IMHO what's important is to balance things. How much of a programmers time should be sacrificed for users time or vice versa? What I'm trying to say here is that it looks like in many of modern softwares, sometimes from companies with great experience, a lot is sacrificed for GUI while less is considered for things like speed or stability. I think it is not balanced truly.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
{
cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}
