How pathetic does it get?
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
It took less then 3 seconds to start
That's if 3 seconds are acceptable :) Word 2003 opens and is typable in about 1 second.
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IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)I uninstantiated 2003 and banished to to my XP VPC. I got tired of it fighting with 2007, which caused really, really long start-ups, with "Windows installer is ...", that lasted several minutes.
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I still use Office 97. :)
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001My wife still holds Office 2003 over my head. She never forgave me for upgrading from Office 97. I've been afraid to take the Office 2007 CD out of it's MSDN wrapper after that last thrashing.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready!
I believe speed is no longer a consideration in most software firms these days. Each time someone starts a discussion about it, there's another one starting a long speech that "Today's computers are fast enough", "You are one of those optimist programmers", or "The time of a programmer is very important". No one asks that how much important is it? More important than summation of times of all poor users? The quickly hardware improves, more quickly softwares slow down. Even our todays operating systems try to show themselves more, instead of being transparent and serving as quickly as possible. Who cares about how long it takes for an application to starts up? We must care about a descend GUI, because users should be tempted to buy it when they see an snapshot.
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there's another one starting a long speech that "Today's computers are fast enough", "You are one of those optimist programmers", or "The time of a programmer is very important".
There are many circumstances when this kind of thinking is completely justified. However, it bothers me when people generalize their specific circumstances to all developers, or "a vast majority of them". Off-shelf productivity applications, like Office need to be very fast and responsive - period! It is about customers' productivity.
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What OS? All my Office Start Menu shortcuts have stopped working (they just do nothing), and lost their icons. However, if I open any existing Office document, the relevant application starts and operates fine. To start without opening an existing document, I have browsed to the Office 12 directory, and on at least Excel and Word, right-clicked and chosen Add to Quicklaunch. The Quicklaunch shortcuts work just fine, and even have proper icons.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
What OS?
vista
Brady Kelly wrote:
All my Office Start Menu shortcuts have stopped working (they just do nothing)
yep. i still have the icons, though. a look at the Properties shows that they're not typical shortcuts (the Target is read-only and isn't an exe, for example). i fixed it by creating normal shortcuts and pinning them to the top of the start menu.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
it's [Word] so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready!
There is a solution. :~ Solution to Word 2007 Problems[^] :-D
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I don't know why you got 1 votes! In humor there is often truth. Marc
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I just tried it on a Dell Latitude D830[^] with 2Gb RAM and 32-bit Vista Business Edition. It took less then 3 seconds to start and I was able to type immidiatelly.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
It took less then 3 seconds to start and I was able to type immidiatelly.
It used to be snappy. But Vista has been degrading over time. Probably my fault. Marc
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Hey if it's not Word then it must be Vista's fault ;)
Zoltan Balazs wrote:
Hey if it's not Word then it must be Vista's fault
Exactly! Marc
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
The universe is conspiring against you: either it doesn't want you putting things in writing or it wants you to upgrade that 286 you insist on using :)
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Solution to Word 2007 Problems[^]
I don't know why you got 1 votes! In humor there is often truth. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I don't know why you got 1 votes! In humor there is often truth.
The fanboys have no sense of humor. :doh: Not my loss. :cool: Actually, I was only half joking. Yes, I intended it as a facetious answer but I have actually been using OpenOffice for a while at work -- dictate from the powers above that all internal documents be published in OpenDocument format [the real OpenDocument format, not the pretend one] -- and I find OpenOffice works fine. I have even set it as my default program for .doc files and have had no complaints from external customers that their Word program choked on a document published in OpenOffice in the .doc format. It just proves that interoperability is possible if you are sincere about implementing it. Bring on the 1 votes! :rolleyes:
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
there's another one starting a long speech that "Today's computers are fast enough", "You are one of those optimist programmers", or "The time of a programmer is very important".
There are many circumstances when this kind of thinking is completely justified. However, it bothers me when people generalize their specific circumstances to all developers, or "a vast majority of them". Off-shelf productivity applications, like Office need to be very fast and responsive - period! It is about customers' productivity.
Agreed. IMHO what's important is to balance things. How much of a programmers time should be sacrificed for users time or vice versa? What I'm trying to say here is that it looks like in many of modern softwares, sometimes from companies with great experience, a lot is sacrificed for GUI while less is considered for things like speed or stability. I think it is not balanced truly.
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready!
Get a faster computer :rolleyes: Seriously I'm amazed at the issues people have with Vista, I've been running it non-stop for coming up to a year know and never had any issues with it at all. Office 2007 has been fine as well, the only time it's slowed down was when I was writing out equations and after the 30th odd page it began to slow down as I editing the equations.
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
My word 2007 starts on Vista x64 in about a second to two. Ready to type. Perhaps the problem isn't Word2K7
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Hey if it's not Word then it must be Vista's fault ;)
Zoltan Balazs wrote:
Hey if it's not Word then it must be Vista's fault
Even when it's not running on Vista it's Vista's fault :)
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So, I fire up Word 2007 and after an interminably long load time, a blank document shows up, cursor flashing and all. I start typing. No text. Wait another five seconds. Oh, there it is. And whatever Word does, load a font, whatever, then it's fine. But it's so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready! Marc
The other article authors on this site have bribed your computer so that you have to slow down producing articles - little do they know that all your articles are written in Frontpage. Seriously though, why do you need anything more powerful than Notepad? It's more than feature complete for a lot of my customers.
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I still use Office 97. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I would still have been on Office 97 had I not needed to upgrade to Office 2000 at the time for MS Access. (I'd been using an Access-less version of Office 97.) I've not noticed anything in later versions of Office (higher than 97) that provide a compelling reason for me to upgrade. (I guess if I had an MSDN Sub or similar then I would have upgraded but I don't.)
Kevin
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The other article authors on this site have bribed your computer so that you have to slow down producing articles - little do they know that all your articles are written in Frontpage. Seriously though, why do you need anything more powerful than Notepad? It's more than feature complete for a lot of my customers.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Seriously though, why do you need anything more powerful than Notepad? It's more than feature complete for a lot of my customers.
That's a neat trick Pete, taking customer requirements, developing a spec, spending a couple of months in development and then delivering Notepad and getting paid for it :)
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Seriously though, why do you need anything more powerful than Notepad? It's more than feature complete for a lot of my customers.
That's a neat trick Pete, taking customer requirements, developing a spec, spending a couple of months in development and then delivering Notepad and getting paid for it :)
martin_hughes wrote:
That's a neat trick Pete, taking customer requirements, developing a spec, spending a couple of months in development and then delivering Notepad and getting paid for it
Hey - we're a full service outfit. Mind you this is why I employ a 27 stone goon called Karl - he's finally mastered the phrase "Pay up or else."
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
it's [Word] so pathetic that 1: it takes so long to load and 2: even after loading it's not really ready!
There is a solution. :~ Solution to Word 2007 Problems[^] :-D
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The other article authors on this site have bribed your computer so that you have to slow down producing articles - little do they know that all your articles are written in Frontpage. Seriously though, why do you need anything more powerful than Notepad? It's more than feature complete for a lot of my customers.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Seriously though, why do you need anything more powerful than Notepad? It's more than feature complete for a lot of my customers.
Ironically, I fire up notepad almost always first. In this particular case, I wanted some pretty headers and clickable links. I almost used FrontPage but thought, well, let's give Word a try, I haven't used in ages! But I discovered that notepad does wierd things with line wraps. If you have linewrap enabled, it places hard returns in strange locations, like it's formatting to a printer or something. Marc
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Even ssssslllloooowwwweeeerrrrr........
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Alpha Nerd wrote:
Even ssssslllloooowwwweeeerrrrr........
That's strange. I don't find it slow at all. We are professional publishers so publishing tools are the core of our every day work. The problem with Word is that if the document is large (say 800 - 1000 pages) word just chokes and is unworkable. Anything over 500 pages is impossible to edit. None of the editors have been complaining about large documents since we switched to OpenOffice. I, personally, implement SharePoint and Office Interop utilities (Microsoft.Office.Interop.Word.dll in this case) to automate parts of the publishing process. When I implement Word programmatically the process takes an inordinate amount of time to complete, especially applying styles to a document. Because some of our customers mandate that documents under review are delivered to their editors in Word I will be stuck with the white elephant for the foreseeable future.
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