Useless Administration and Shameless Political Stunt

Rajesh R Subramanian

Sadly yes. The politicians - they must be shot. All of them. :|

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Ilion

ChandraRam wrote:

Kannan.Coder: The main advantage is that it wouldn’t make air, sound pollution. ChandraRam: Are you sure? Think about how we will charge the electric bikes - how it is produced...

Exactly! If we (as individuals, as societies) are going to make these sorts of decisions with "the environment" being the decisive factor, then we have to look at the whole picture.

Ilion

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

The politicians - they must be shot. All of them.

Shoot the lawyers. Most politicians are lawyers, so thinning that herd will be doubly beneficial.

Vikram A Punathambekar

I was going to reply to VDK, but you've said pretty much everything I wanted to.

Thomas George wrote:

firing 90% government employees will be a welcome step though

Not as welcome as firing at them. ;P

Cheers, Vikram.

The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

Vikram A Punathambekar

How the hell is raising the prices a 'stunt'? Besides, the cost of procurement is rising; given that the arseholes in Govt will not reduce taxes/duties, how will the oil companies survive?

Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

shameless gesture to lick the people's dick in getting sympathy votes

I'm not sure what the right emoticon here is. I, for one, would kill a politician if they tried to lick my privates.

Cheers, Vikram.

The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

Rajesh R Subramanian

I'll be more than happy thinning the herd; but sadly it ain't gonna happen. :sigh:

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Rajesh R Subramanian

Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

Besides, the cost of procurement is rising; given that the arseholes in Govt will not reduce taxes/duties, how will the oil companies survive?

Which oil companies are you talking about? Oil isn't distributed by any private agency in India. It is all government-run in our country and that monopoly is what is causing this misery.

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Vikram A Punathambekar

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

Which oil companies are you talking about?

Pretty much every one.

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

Oil isn't distributed by any private agency in India.

There used to be Reliance Petroleum but they downed shutters recently. I'm sure there are others (Shell?). Read on below.

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

It is all government-run in our country

So what? They are still distinct entities and have to pay for their imports.

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

that monopoly is what is causing this misery.

It is this monopoly, helped by subsidies, that is keeping the price 'down' at Rs. 55. The private companies went bust because they didn't get subsidies, and nobody went to them to buy petrol at the higher regular price. If it weren't for the subsidies, petrol would be much costlier than Rs. 55.

Cheers, Vikram.

The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

Rajesh R Subramanian

I should have put it this way. Oil price is government regulated in our country, no matter who sells it. And reliance petroleum is closed down? When? It's been months, but I remember filling up my diesel tank at a reliance oil outlet on Thane - Belapur road.

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Lost User

Electric powered vehicles are definitely better. 1. Centralizes power generation: It is far easier to implement sophisticated technology to reduce emissions than in few power plants than on every automobile on the planet. Cleaner air, more use of environment friendly energy sources (solar, wind, hydel), higher efficiency in using fossil fuels can result from this. 2. Lower transportation costs: In addition, the costs of transporting and distributing fuel is reduced. Existing electric power distribution networks can do this efficiently. 3. Reduces vehicle complexity and improves efficiency: A battery driving an electric motor is definitely simpler than current automobile mechanisms. Engine braking when traveling downhill can be used to charge batteries. Of course, everything depends on the efficiency, energy capacity, longevity, and the size and volume of batteries. Recently, someone posted about a new chinese car that can go 300,000 miles on a single battery, and goes about 200 miles per charge.

Lost User

Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

And, in a shameless gesture to lick the people's dick in getting sympathy votes for the next upcoming elections, the Prime Minister wants to address the nation tonight.

I liked the content of the speech, although it is hard not to sleep when he speaks. He said that the government cannot be expected to foot a higher oil subsidy than it does at present. He also said that subsidies have to be targeted (read, for everything including food, oil). Another point he made was that higher food prices is vital for food security (read, no one will farm if it is not profitable) In the Indian context where people vote out anyone who puts any responsibility on the masses, this is a bold move. I was amused by the opposition (BJP and the Left parties) suggesting that economic mismanagement by the government is the reason for this price hike, and that global oil prices were not a factor. I am thinking that I will vote for an independent candidate in the upcoming elections. It would be great if some sort of online campaign was started to do this. Select an independent candidate as a 'protest against political party' candidate in every constituency, and ask people to vote for them if they do not like any of the mainstream political parties.

Vikram A Punathambekar

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

Oil price is government regulated in our country, no matter who sells it.

No. Only the state-run companies are bound by Govt prices. Reliance is free to price oil as it pleases. It did, and went bust -- because it wasn't subsidized.

Cheers, Vikram.

The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

Lost User

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

Oil isn't distributed by any private agency in India.

Even though government holds controlling stake in IOC, HPCL, they have shares traded on the stock market. It is unethical to insist that those investing these companies suffer a loss because of price fixing by the government. The government is obligated to refund the oil marketing companies for the subsidy. The government is raising Rs. 40,000 crore in oil bonds -- which is a fancy way of saying that "we will borrow and give it away".