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    Ri Qen Sin
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    A dead hard drive? Frankly, it's never happened to me, but now I'm beginning to get worried. I live right next to a potential disaster area and one of my coworkers has seen a hard drive die on him. He didn't have anything important, but it made me consider some sort of off-site backup to store my valuable data. I've seen plenty of online backup systems that purport to be secure with encrypted connections and storage, but their terms of use contains a clause that suggests otherwise (like law enforement being able to get access to the data). I've got nothing that would catch the eye of the law, but if law enforcement can access my data, what's to prevent anyone else from doing so, like an employee working on the backup service? Does anyone recommend a truely secure backup system? I really don't want to resort to manual encryption and xcopy every time I want to backup. For that reason, any backup system that encrypts my files on my computer before sending them off would be good (provided the encrypted files aren't also encrypted with a key accessible to anyone else).

    So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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      A dead hard drive? Frankly, it's never happened to me, but now I'm beginning to get worried. I live right next to a potential disaster area and one of my coworkers has seen a hard drive die on him. He didn't have anything important, but it made me consider some sort of off-site backup to store my valuable data. I've seen plenty of online backup systems that purport to be secure with encrypted connections and storage, but their terms of use contains a clause that suggests otherwise (like law enforement being able to get access to the data). I've got nothing that would catch the eye of the law, but if law enforcement can access my data, what's to prevent anyone else from doing so, like an employee working on the backup service? Does anyone recommend a truely secure backup system? I really don't want to resort to manual encryption and xcopy every time I want to backup. For that reason, any backup system that encrypts my files on my computer before sending them off would be good (provided the encrypted files aren't also encrypted with a key accessible to anyone else).

      So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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      Robert Surtees
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      You could run truecrypt[^] on an external drive and just use a simple syncing application to copy to the drive.

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        A dead hard drive? Frankly, it's never happened to me, but now I'm beginning to get worried. I live right next to a potential disaster area and one of my coworkers has seen a hard drive die on him. He didn't have anything important, but it made me consider some sort of off-site backup to store my valuable data. I've seen plenty of online backup systems that purport to be secure with encrypted connections and storage, but their terms of use contains a clause that suggests otherwise (like law enforement being able to get access to the data). I've got nothing that would catch the eye of the law, but if law enforcement can access my data, what's to prevent anyone else from doing so, like an employee working on the backup service? Does anyone recommend a truely secure backup system? I really don't want to resort to manual encryption and xcopy every time I want to backup. For that reason, any backup system that encrypts my files on my computer before sending them off would be good (provided the encrypted files aren't also encrypted with a key accessible to anyone else).

        So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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        Joan M
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        The typical solution is not good enough? What we are using here is a simple tape rotation system and I'm getting some tapes out of the company. Some other tapes are inside the safety box, and moreover you can always get a NAS solution and some raid to even not needing to go for the tape each time something happens... In that way you can have all the data in a password protected way inside some devices you can always reach, and if for any reason everything burns or gets destroyed you can always have the backups at home. For us it is not an option to make the backups outside our company: A) Not enough dsl speed. B) We are one of the four companies that make polishing machines in our country and all our programs are somehow "secret"...

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          A dead hard drive? Frankly, it's never happened to me, but now I'm beginning to get worried. I live right next to a potential disaster area and one of my coworkers has seen a hard drive die on him. He didn't have anything important, but it made me consider some sort of off-site backup to store my valuable data. I've seen plenty of online backup systems that purport to be secure with encrypted connections and storage, but their terms of use contains a clause that suggests otherwise (like law enforement being able to get access to the data). I've got nothing that would catch the eye of the law, but if law enforcement can access my data, what's to prevent anyone else from doing so, like an employee working on the backup service? Does anyone recommend a truely secure backup system? I really don't want to resort to manual encryption and xcopy every time I want to backup. For that reason, any backup system that encrypts my files on my computer before sending them off would be good (provided the encrypted files aren't also encrypted with a key accessible to anyone else).

          So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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          Paul Watson
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          Can't the law come into your offices and confiscate your backup HDs too?

          regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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          At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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            Can't the law come into your offices and confiscate your backup HDs too?

            regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

            Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

            At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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            Sure they can, but can anyone else do the same?

            So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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              Sure they can, but can anyone else do the same?

              So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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              Paul Watson
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              Ri Qen-Sin wrote:

              Sure they can, but can anyone else do the same?

              A gang of thugs, sure. Whats your point?

              regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

              Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

              At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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                You could run truecrypt[^] on an external drive and just use a simple syncing application to copy to the drive.

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                Ri Qen Sin
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                It looks pretty good, but if we want to use it, it'll also mean having to have another site and configuring the system to send its backups to that site.

                So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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                  A dead hard drive? Frankly, it's never happened to me, but now I'm beginning to get worried. I live right next to a potential disaster area and one of my coworkers has seen a hard drive die on him. He didn't have anything important, but it made me consider some sort of off-site backup to store my valuable data. I've seen plenty of online backup systems that purport to be secure with encrypted connections and storage, but their terms of use contains a clause that suggests otherwise (like law enforement being able to get access to the data). I've got nothing that would catch the eye of the law, but if law enforcement can access my data, what's to prevent anyone else from doing so, like an employee working on the backup service? Does anyone recommend a truely secure backup system? I really don't want to resort to manual encryption and xcopy every time I want to backup. For that reason, any backup system that encrypts my files on my computer before sending them off would be good (provided the encrypted files aren't also encrypted with a key accessible to anyone else).

                  So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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                  peterchen
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                  Happened to me often enough to be careful. I have a scheduled task running robocopy set up for a data drive, works like a charm.

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                    A dead hard drive? Frankly, it's never happened to me, but now I'm beginning to get worried. I live right next to a potential disaster area and one of my coworkers has seen a hard drive die on him. He didn't have anything important, but it made me consider some sort of off-site backup to store my valuable data. I've seen plenty of online backup systems that purport to be secure with encrypted connections and storage, but their terms of use contains a clause that suggests otherwise (like law enforement being able to get access to the data). I've got nothing that would catch the eye of the law, but if law enforcement can access my data, what's to prevent anyone else from doing so, like an employee working on the backup service? Does anyone recommend a truely secure backup system? I really don't want to resort to manual encryption and xcopy every time I want to backup. For that reason, any backup system that encrypts my files on my computer before sending them off would be good (provided the encrypted files aren't also encrypted with a key accessible to anyone else).

                    So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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                    My laptop's hard drive was saving a huge 13 GB video file when it started making clicking sounds. Windows gave a BSOD and rebooted. The boot loader then complain of missing media, meaning my hard drive died. I shut down the laptop and let it cool off. Now it's working again. I guess that hard disk has been reading my posts off Internet Explorer's cache and wanted to remind me to get any sort of backup system in place!

                    So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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                      My laptop's hard drive was saving a huge 13 GB video file when it started making clicking sounds. Windows gave a BSOD and rebooted. The boot loader then complain of missing media, meaning my hard drive died. I shut down the laptop and let it cool off. Now it's working again. I guess that hard disk has been reading my posts off Internet Explorer's cache and wanted to remind me to get any sort of backup system in place!

                      So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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                      Ri Qen-Sin wrote:

                      My laptop's hard drive was saving a huge 13 GB video file when it started making clicking sounds. Windows gave a BSOD and rebooted. The boot loader then complain of missing media, meaning my hard drive died. I shut down the laptop and let it cool off. Now it's working again.

                      *cringe* Please tell me you've ordered a replacement and disk cloning software. You're lucky that you got a temporary reprieve from the click of death, but doom is still inevitable. If you insist on playing with fire, run a scandisk surface scan to find the sectors damaged by having the head smack into them so that you don't try writing there.

                      You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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                        Ri Qen-Sin wrote:

                        My laptop's hard drive was saving a huge 13 GB video file when it started making clicking sounds. Windows gave a BSOD and rebooted. The boot loader then complain of missing media, meaning my hard drive died. I shut down the laptop and let it cool off. Now it's working again.

                        *cringe* Please tell me you've ordered a replacement and disk cloning software. You're lucky that you got a temporary reprieve from the click of death, but doom is still inevitable. If you insist on playing with fire, run a scandisk surface scan to find the sectors damaged by having the head smack into them so that you don't try writing there.

                        You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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                        Ri Qen Sin
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                        I got a second click of death yesterday. It's still alive, but I'm being cautious about saving big files or even using my hard disk unless absolutely necessary. I'm also in the process of ordering a portable 1 TB drive.

                        So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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