To destroy Al Qaeda, we must end the war on terror: Rand Corporation
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I don't like extreme Catholics. They're responsible for the deaths of probably millions, at a time when the world was in its last revolutionary stage (the Inquisition, the start of world trade). I don't like extreme Christians from the south. They show up on my UC campus and hold these demi-billboards on the lawn proclaiming how "Sinners burn in Hell!" and "Gays, Lesbians, Mormons, etc." specifically are going to burn in hell as well. I would think twice about helping them if they got heat stroke and collapsed. I don't like extreme Islamists, either - they make travel to Egypt or Turkey scary for me, and blow themselves up to kill infidels. See Catholics, minus the whole guilt for suicide thing, or being strongly motivated by wealth. The difference between all of the religions is small. The rituals that Islam has are different than, say, eating the blood and body of jebus, but I'd take a scarf over that any day. But why would you ever [i]ever[/i] hold such inflammatory, vile thoughts like this? (Re: Rob Graham's post). The first country / people / religion that is able to actually get rid of this kind of thinking, to support peace and prosperity (read: good health / satisfaction) for its people will be the last country we ever need. Yes, Oakman, then someone will bomb it off the map, and then where will all the hippies go. I can't hope this will ever be my reality, because we obviously haven't had enough time to evolve away from the need for tribal warfare, as a race. For proof, I'll cite Football in the US, Rugby in NZ / Oceania, Cricket in India / Britain; all these very violent sports that are celebrated at an almost religious level. /steps off soapbox
bulg wrote:
The first country / people / religion that is able to actually get rid of this kind of thinking, to support peace and prosperity (read: good health / satisfaction) for its people will be the last country we ever need.
If that is such an obvious truth, why has it never been tried?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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So your argument amounts to: "it's a hurtful generalization, therefore it's hate-speech and nothing more". :rolleyes: I'd have an easier time buying it if i hadn't read your first post in this thread. I suppose you just consider yourself immune from such criticism? Or can you not resist wallowing in the very behavior you criticize while you are criticizing it... :suss:
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'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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So your argument amounts to: "it's a hurtful generalization, therefore it's hate-speech and nothing more". :rolleyes: I'd have an easier time buying it if i hadn't read your first post in this thread. I suppose you just consider yourself immune from such criticism? Or can you not resist wallowing in the very behavior you criticize while you are criticizing it... :suss:
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
I don't think I was "wallowing" in the same pen, let alone paddock, as Rob's first post, by saying stuff like "I don't like extreme xxx, here's why." If I were to analyze his post in the same way as I just did my own, he wrote stuff like "you and your friends are criminals for what you believe in, and what you believe in is a vile, homophobic, chauvinist, pack of lies promulgated by an intolerant and cruel pedophile." ... Sorry I couldn't really generalize it very well. I think it speaks for itself. That -is- hate-speech, not just a hurtful generalization. He doesn't even generalize, that's a personal attack, and is really a shame to see on these boards, and that's why it got my hackle up.
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I don't think I was "wallowing" in the same pen, let alone paddock, as Rob's first post, by saying stuff like "I don't like extreme xxx, here's why." If I were to analyze his post in the same way as I just did my own, he wrote stuff like "you and your friends are criminals for what you believe in, and what you believe in is a vile, homophobic, chauvinist, pack of lies promulgated by an intolerant and cruel pedophile." ... Sorry I couldn't really generalize it very well. I think it speaks for itself. That -is- hate-speech, not just a hurtful generalization. He doesn't even generalize, that's a personal attack, and is really a shame to see on these boards, and that's why it got my hackle up.
bulg wrote:
If I were to analyze his post in the same way as I just did my own, he wrote stuff like "you and your friends are criminals for what you believe in, and what you believe in is a vile, homophobic, chauvinist, pack of lies promulgated by an intolerant and cruel pedophile."
Actually, you analyzed your own by reading only the first half. If you try that with Rob's, you miss the bit you're commenting on... FAIL! ;P
bulg wrote:
I think it speaks for itself.
Funny how folks love to position themselves as mouthpieces for things that speak for themselves...
bulg wrote:
He doesn't even generalize, that's a personal attack, and is really a shame to see on these boards, and that's why it got my hackle up.
Again, i'd have a much easier time agreeing with you if i hadn't read your previous posts.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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I don't think I was "wallowing" in the same pen, let alone paddock, as Rob's first post, by saying stuff like "I don't like extreme xxx, here's why." If I were to analyze his post in the same way as I just did my own, he wrote stuff like "you and your friends are criminals for what you believe in, and what you believe in is a vile, homophobic, chauvinist, pack of lies promulgated by an intolerant and cruel pedophile." ... Sorry I couldn't really generalize it very well. I think it speaks for itself. That -is- hate-speech, not just a hurtful generalization. He doesn't even generalize, that's a personal attack, and is really a shame to see on these boards, and that's why it got my hackle up.
That said, terrorists and terrorism as a means to an end is a vile pack of lies, but that didn't seem to be the generalization put forth, and calling it such won't solve anything. ..but what do I know: I'd be embarrassed to be a terrorist for acting so self-important.
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Oakman is the personification of negative one-liners on this forum for me (albeit half the time funny, still generally negative or belligerent). Sorry for the misunderstanding. To shorten my previous comment, why would you say such harsh things about Islam (or any religion)? By doing so, you become a part of the propagation of hate.
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I don't think I was "wallowing" in the same pen, let alone paddock, as Rob's first post, by saying stuff like "I don't like extreme xxx, here's why." If I were to analyze his post in the same way as I just did my own, he wrote stuff like "you and your friends are criminals for what you believe in, and what you believe in is a vile, homophobic, chauvinist, pack of lies promulgated by an intolerant and cruel pedophile." ... Sorry I couldn't really generalize it very well. I think it speaks for itself. That -is- hate-speech, not just a hurtful generalization. He doesn't even generalize, that's a personal attack, and is really a shame to see on these boards, and that's why it got my hackle up.
bulg wrote:
I don't think I was "wallowing" in the same pen, let alone paddock, as Rob's first post
You're right. He had a specific target and it was someone who deserves opprobrium for his constant support of thugs masquerading as priests. You on the other hand spewed your hate-filled message over most religions and many team sports, branding them all as evil. Your attack was so vitriolic you might as well have been Savonarola dribbling spittle into your beard and screaming "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live!"
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bulg wrote:
Oakman is the personification of negative one-liners on this forum for me
You didn't like my reference to Tonto and the Lone Ranger? :confused:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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bulg wrote:
If I were to analyze his post in the same way as I just did my own, he wrote stuff like "you and your friends are criminals for what you believe in, and what you believe in is a vile, homophobic, chauvinist, pack of lies promulgated by an intolerant and cruel pedophile."
Actually, you analyzed your own by reading only the first half. If you try that with Rob's, you miss the bit you're commenting on... FAIL! ;P
bulg wrote:
I think it speaks for itself.
Funny how folks love to position themselves as mouthpieces for things that speak for themselves...
bulg wrote:
He doesn't even generalize, that's a personal attack, and is really a shame to see on these boards, and that's why it got my hackle up.
Again, i'd have a much easier time agreeing with you if i hadn't read your previous posts.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
I posted like that (i dont like ... i don't like...) so that I could emphasize a way to express an opinion without the personal attacks involved. And I skipped the second half of my own because it was my own rant on the soapbox, and wasn't directly relating to Rob's post. I suppose I should try again: I don't like vicious ad hominem attacks like that, and think they only inspire anger and hate, and why would you write that? If you are going to, at least be open to dialog with the people you disagree with. You can say it's pointless to try to be open to dialog w/ terrorists because they're not open, but then again, who ever tried? Ever since 9/11 it's all "we will not negotiate with terrorists" be it truly evil men or people who feel their way of life threatened in a non-trivial way. I don't think I should back down on this one.
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You should have actually read the report before you posted it, because as usual, you got it enteirely wrong. From the study: " Calling the efforts a war on terrorism raises public expectations — both in the United States and elsewhere — that there is a battlefield solution. It also tends to legitimize the terrorists’ view that they are conducting a jihad (holy war) against the United States and elevates them to the status of holy warriors. Terrorists should be perceived as criminals, not holy warriors." See, your buddies are really just common criminals, and should be imprisoned like any other. An the only excuse needed for dumping Islam into the rubbish bin of history is that it is a vile, homophobic, chauvinist, pack of lies promulgated by an intolerant and cruel pedophile.
Rob Graham wrote:
An the only excuse needed for dumping Islam into the rubbish bin of history is
probably the principle of Riba, which goes agaisnt interest and inflation, no muslim can enter into a mortgage with interest charged, it is a sin. so how is the powers that be meant to control them if they cant use the normal methods... destroy the religion itself.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." -Albert Einstein
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Rob Graham wrote:
An the only excuse needed for dumping Islam into the rubbish bin of history is
probably the principle of Riba, which goes agaisnt interest and inflation, no muslim can enter into a mortgage with interest charged, it is a sin. so how is the powers that be meant to control them if they cant use the normal methods... destroy the religion itself.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." -Albert Einstein
DownUnderDev wrote:
no muslim can enter into a mortgage with interest charged, it is a sin.
Used to be that no Christian could charge interest for any kind of loan. Then they saw how much money the Jews were making (Look up the House of Rothschild - the original Illuminati, just ask Zep)
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My characterization of Islam is not "politically correct", but it is nonetheless an accurate depiction of the beliefs advanced by Adnan and friends (and those same beliefs not loudly rejected by the more moderate faithful). Islam is a violent faith - one of the few that mandates the killing of those who reject its teachings. It is chauvinistic, teaching that women should be subjugated and are less worthy than men... It's founder and prophet was by most accounts a pedophile, and a violent man. Most practitioners of Islam rejects homosexuals, and persecute them with extreme violence and cruelty. All of these are mere facts for which you wish me to substitute politically correct obfuscation and double-speak. You are the one who propagates hate by pretending it does not exist. And no number of believers will make Islam any different as long as they and you maintain the pretense that it is other than what it is. You protect the real hater.
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Anybody who holds ridiculous beliefs should expect being ridiculed.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Fake religions that no one believes but use only to make fun of fundies don't count. Sorry.
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
Jason Henderson
How can you be so sure that christianity isn't just another flying spaghetti monster in its time? My impression is that it is just that...
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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You're a TOTAL idiot. You couldn't make a logical argument if your life depended on it!
John P.
Cool! Now you don't have to be alone anymore! You need anger management.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Cricket is violent? :confused: [EDIT]Sure, there's the occassional disagreement, but cricket's not even a contact sport.[/EDIT]
Cheers, Vıkram.
"if abusing me makes you a credible then i better give u the chance which didnt get in real" - Adnan Siddiqi.
May be his is statement is in reference to the recent incident in which an Indian "crickter" slapped his teammate for reasons unknown.
Please leave us our small pleasures, they are small, but they are ours! - Mycroft Holmes ^ .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Microsoft MVP - Visual C++[^]
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Cool! Now you don't have to be alone anymore! You need anger management.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
You must not be able to cope with that much sunlight at this time of the year. I think it damages what brain cells you have remaining.
John P.
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How can you be so sure that christianity isn't just another flying spaghetti monster in its time? My impression is that it is just that...
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
How can you be so sure that christianity isn't just another flying spaghetti monster in its time? My impression is that it is just that...
FSM is a parody religion. Created to mock Christianity and other religions. Christianity was not established to mock Judaism, but to fulfill it (according to Christ himself). I don't know anything about the FSM religion. Does it give people hope? Does it give them a way of redemption, justification, or salvation? YOU may say Christianity is a bunch of hooey because you have rejected it, those that have accepted Christ think otherwise.
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
Jason Henderson
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Assuming No Al-qaeda, how US will terrorize other countries, what would be the excuse to getrid of Islam and How else US could screw up their own economy
I dont agree with that logic. If that logic is true, whay are those fuckers terorizing lebanon? They are mentally ill and against every culture that is better than them.
hehe i pitty for you that you can't comprehend difference between isralities and Nasrullah's brigade. and my ignorant intellectual Nasrullah of Hezb!= Taliban. That was Hezb who have been saving your ass from Israeli and American aggression. quit sucking America and grow up.